The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[BenTheFox]

12 hours ago, Sambiasso said:

Problem with films like this is it doesn't show the whole or true picture.

51secs in and you've got people smoking ciggies, wearing £80+ pairs of new Nike trainers queuing for a food bank because they can't afford to eat supposedly. I find the irony that those queuing are never the ones who are volunteering to help run the services. 

However you see people like the former soldier in this video who cannot afford to eat or light his home and wonder why people kick off about housing asylum seekers in hotels with 3 hot meals a day, hot water and heating for a combined £6m a day across the country. I'm all for helping others but help our own first especially those who've served our country helping those who are now staying in our hotels. 

In both cases get these people in the community to help gut and build the new Food Bank+ that needed doing up, if you want food then bloody earn it by doing a few hours graft helping those who are helping you but the film just focused on poverty porn and shifting the focus onto Brexit,

The fishing industry in Grimsby especially wasn't killed off by Brexit or the tories, it was Labour back in 1997 - 2010 which started the beginning of the end so because of that we don't have a generation of fisherman in that area to take up the jobs anyway. I'm all for slagging of the Tories, saying Brexit was a mistake but there is always little to no acknowledgment of how the labour party also damaged this country and left it for the posh prricks to come in and do an even worse job.

They're all as bad as each other, this constant cycle in my life time has been 1 political party f'ck the country and the next one comes in and does the same so the cycle just continues. I've no doubt that Labour will come in next and spend the following 8yrs blaming the Tories then 6+yrs f'cking the country again, rinse and repeat.
 

This is why I don't choose to vote for anything, the only time I ever hear from Alberto Costa is when he's up for election.

 

New Labour were by no means perfect, but they did far more to tackle poverty in this country, particularly amongst children and pensioners than any conservative government in my lifetime. 

[Nod.E]

45 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Yup. I chuckle when the bbc and sky show overweight even obese people in food banks. Why would they do that 🤷‍♂️

Yeah why eat when you can just live off your fat reserves all year. 

 

Jesus wept.

[Dahnsouff]

42 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

New Labour were by no means perfect, but they did far more to tackle poverty in this country, particularly amongst children and pensioners than any conservative government in my lifetime. 

This is true it seems (From some sources at least) and reduction in childhood poverty was set at a 1.7m target (From 4.x m) and it wad reduced to 2.1m during their tenure, that I think is highly laudable.

 

The inequality did continue to grow between the richest and the poorest quite rapidly (Gini coefficient), and reached it highest level since 1980, but you could argue this is secondary to the reduciton in childhood poverty.

[Dames]

45 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Yeah why eat when you can just live off your fat reserves all year. 

 

Jesus wept.

It would be a handy function to have. Would make dieting easier when you could willingly switch to 'auxiliary power' at will.

[CosbehFox]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63478011
 

Confirms what a lot of us thought 

[BenTheFox]

23 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

This is true it seems (From some sources at least) and reduction in childhood poverty was set at a 1.7m target (From 4.x m) and it wad reduced to 2.1m during their tenure, that I think is highly laudable.

 

The inequality did continue to grow between the richest and the poorest quite rapidly (Gini coefficient), and reached it highest level since 1980, but you could argue this is secondary to the reduciton in childhood poverty.

Peter Mandelson even said words to the effect of 'we don't really care about people getting filthy rich, as long as they pay tax'. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, BenTheFox said:

Peter Mandelson even said words to the effect of 'we don't really care about people getting filthy rich, as long as they pay tax'. 

Yes, I saw this too, undecided if it matters, but suspect rocking that boat whilst bolstering the benefits scope would be potentially counter productive

[weller54]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Yeah why eat when you can just live off your fat reserves all year. 

 

Jesus wept.

20 years worth of reserve here.....

[Facecloth]

BBC News - Rishi Sunak is now going to COP27 climate summit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63484971

 

At least the change of PM has stopped the constant U-Turns 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Yeah why eat when you can just live off your fat reserves all year. 

 

Jesus wept.

As an overweight person I can confirm this is how our bodies work.

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

BBC News - Rishi Sunak is now going to COP27 climate summit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63484971

 

At least the change of PM has stopped the constant U-Turns 

One of the few things that Boris did well was treat climate change with something approaching the seriousness it deserves. Truss obviously didn't. I'm glad Sunak is.

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Yup. I chuckle when the bbc and sky show overweight even obese people in food banks. Why would they do that 🤷‍♂️

I don't understand this comment. Do you mean why would overweight people fall into poverty? Or are you asking why the BBC would show overweight people getting help from food banks? Or do you mean that overweight people in poverty shouldn't seek help?

 

Make it make sense.

[Samilktray]

You can be fat or poor but not both in the eyes of the far right extremists! 

[Fazzer 7]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

So they shouldn't ever eat again? 

Maybe a little less. However If the bbc wanted to illustrate food poverty surely they would show an undernourished person at a food bank, no?

[Fazzer 7]

20 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

BBC News - Rishi Sunak is now going to COP27 climate summit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63484971

 

At least the change of PM has stopped the constant U-Turns 

Ffs. Hasn’t he got more pressing issues at home to deal with like the cost of living crisis, the illegal immigration problem, strikes and so on. BoJo is going anyway.  

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Ffs. Hasn’t he got more pressing issues at home to deal with like the cost of living crisis, the illegal immigration problem, strikes and so on. BoJo is going anyway.  

So you think our manageable local issues are more important than the existential crisis of our time? Perhaps you were being sarcastic.......

 

[urban.spaceman]

5 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Ffs. Hasn’t he got more pressing issues at home to deal with like the cost of living crisis, the illegal immigration problem, strikes and so on. BoJo is going anyway.  

They’re all part of the same crisis. The climate catastrophe will create millions of refugees. 

[Facecloth]

20 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Ffs. Hasn’t he got more pressing issues at home to deal with like the cost of living crisis, the illegal immigration problem, strikes and so on. BoJo is going anyway.  

It's more make a decision and stick to it, rather than constantly make bad ones, put them out there and then change when it gets bad reaction. It's constant with this lot. I'm all for people holding their hands up and admitting they got things wrong, but with this group of Tories, it's less that and more see what they can get away with and then react to public reaction. They do it so often on numerous things its obvious they are testing the water, seeing what they can get away with.

Edited 2 November 2022 by Facecloth

[David Hankey]

I just wonder how many emissions will be emitted by all and sundry attending COP27. It simply doesn't need heads of countries and all their entourage attending.

[Dahnsouff]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

I just wonder how many emissions will be emitted by all and sundry attending COP27. It simply doesn't need heads of countries and all their entourage attending.

If signficant strides are taken, isn't it worth it? Don`t curse the event, curse the outcome, curse the failure to react sufficiently in the face of short term self interest.

[kingkisnorbo]

Lack of food education from a young age and the insane price disparity in healthy and non-healthy food in this country has a lot to answer for on the obesity issue too. It isn’t simply a  matter of choice. 

[leicsmac]

37 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Ffs. Hasn’t he got more pressing issues at home to deal with like the cost of living crisis, the illegal immigration problem, strikes and so on. BoJo is going anyway.  

... if there's a bigger crisis that the world (and the UK is part of the world) is facing than anywhere between tens of millions and a billion people having no food or potable water within the next few decades with all the knock on effects that entails, I'd like to hear what it is.

 

Of course, the consequences seem far away and so other concerns appear more dire, but if we're to stave off those consequences, action needs to be taken ASAP. Which makes it a pressing issue.

 

Or... the UK and other rich nations could just wait until it happems, tweak their immigration policy and pull up the drawbridge (figuratively) and take bets on how long it will take countless millions of people to starve, die of thirst or kill each other. That sounds like a morally acceptable time.

 

 

10 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

I just wonder how many emissions will be emitted by all and sundry attending COP27. It simply doesn't need heads of countries and all their entourage attending.

Well, adopting a more hands-off approach isn't really likely to work, either.

[leicsmac]

38 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So you think our manageable local issues are more important than the existential crisis of our time? Perhaps you were being sarcastic.......

 

 

No sarcasm. There are people who genuinely think that we should, either through ignorance or malice, allow circumstances where up to a billion people die. That's "just the way the world works", apparently.

 

36 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

They’re all part of the same crisis. The climate catastrophe will create millions of refugees. 

Tens of millions. Perhaps more.

[Dahnsouff]

8 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said:

Lack of food education from a young age and the insane price disparity in healthy and non-healthy food in this country has a lot to answer for on the obesity issue too. It isn’t simply a  matter of choice. 

You are dead right that food education is required, it can, or at least should, never be cheaper to buy a ready meal than a meal from raw ingredients. There is also an expectation in the UK that food is cheap, where it really should not be seen as such

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/this-map-shows-how-much-each-country-spends-on-food/

[David Hankey]

29 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

If signficant strides are taken, isn't it worth it? Don`t curse the event, curse the outcome, curse the failure to react sufficiently in the face of short term self interest.

You will appreciate the fact that this is COP27, the 27th such gathering. I thought "significant" strides had already been taken but it seems to no avail.

 

Every country on the planet needs to do the same and if you think that can be achieved, cloud cuckoo land springs to mind.