The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[leicsmac]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Tory PM caught up in a massive lie yet again and the Daily Mail don’t even acknowledge it

 

...is this particularly surprising to anyone?

[urban.spaceman]

39 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

...is this particularly surprising to anyone?

Well I for one am shocked I tell you. 

[ozleicester]

On 23/05/2022 at 09:17, Jon the Hat said:

Scomo pissing of West Australians by backing Clvoe Palmer attempts to open the borders, calling us cave dwellers etc has clearing bitten them on the arse in WA.  If not for that it would have been very very close.

Well... even if all the WA seats hadn't flipped, still 70 to 59 (assuming they didnt vote for independents)... not real close IMO (not to mention the greenslide)

WA went hard to Labor in the last state election (Libs lost 11 of 13 seats). This swing to the left is driven by, climate change, young people, a desire for people ahead of profit, a more human centred form of government, and to end the blatant exploitation and corruption that is fundamental to RW politics.

This is also the first election for many of the "Greta kids", the school kids who marched over the past few years demanding change, they are now old enough to vote and as more come of age the swing will increase. In redneck right wing Queensland they even voted in Greens for the first time ever. The swing has been toward good, not just away from the scum.

As the boomers begin to fall away the "all that matters is profit" Libs will find it hard to rebuild.

Palmer spent 100 million to gather preference votes for the LNP and even that didnt help them... he has spent $180 million at the last two elections and has not a single seat to show for it (although he did buy them the 2019 election so he's happy), its unlikely the healthy little chap will be around to influence at the next election.

This is the beginning of something good.

Edit to add for all you folks suffering under the scum of tories in the UK.. keep hanging on and fighting... you've no idea how good it really feels when you finally see them kicked on the arse. There is a future

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/young-people-mattered-at-this-federal-election/101092692

Edited 24 May 2022 by ozleicester

[Daggers]

9 hours ago, lgfualol said:

How's this utter scumbag still got a job? Feels like politicians everywhere are just untouchable now.. how many scandals does it take.. 

Insert <becuz hes sticking it to the lefteyes loolz> here. He makes every inept, virtually unemployable, coke addled gimp think he’s one of them.

 

Our country rn: “Rah rah rah, shoes in the air, I don’t really know if they eat babies in Parliament but I saw something on YouTube recently and it really makes you think, crypto, something about Jimmy Savile, do your own research, wake up sheeple, Bill Gates, change my DNA, chemtrails, Farage was right about sovereignty, no thank EU, NFTs, no one cares about rape gangs except me, I love the pictures in the Daily Mail about 15yr olds being all grown up in their bikinis, they have muslamic ray guns, this is a cristian country, green frog emoji, 5G must burn, blue passports, Diane Abbott can’t count, race baiting, everything is racist to David Lammy, I don’t know who David Lammy is, more stuff about rape gangs, follow me on Gabb to share pictures of Nazis, lolz they are the Nazis, Corbyn gave Palestinian weapons to Antifa, my prime minister.”

Edited 24 May 2022 by Daggers

[weller54]

[Fazzer 7]

2 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Edit to add for all you folks suffering under the scum of tories in the UK.. keep hanging on and fighting... you've no idea how good it really feels when you finally see them kicked on the arse. There is a future

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-24/young-people-mattered-at-this-federal-election/101092692

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

[fox_up_north]

8 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

Can I ask - how do you feel that the current government (let's draw a line before Cameron and go with May/ Johnson) have benefited and improved Britain for the majority of people? 

 

By that, I mean everyone from the richest to the poorest, the healthiest to the infirm. 

[Robo61]

9 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Tory PM caught up in a massive lie yet again and the Daily Mail don’t even acknowledge it

 

And its all the workers fault.

[MustardTiger]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

Insert <becuz hes sticking it to the lefteyes loolz> here. He makes every inept, virtually unemployable, coke addled gimp think he’s one of them.

 

Our country rn: “Rah rah rah, shoes in the air, I don’t really know if they eat babies in Parliament but I saw something on YouTube recently and it really makes you think, crypto, something about Jimmy Savile, do your own research, wake up sheeple, Bill Gates, change my DNA, chemtrails, Farage was right about sovereignty, no thank EU, NFTs, no one cares about rape gangs except me, I love the pictures in the Daily Mail about 15yr olds being all grown up in their bikinis, they have muslamic ray guns, this is a cristian country, green frog emoji, 5G must burn, blue passports, Diane Abbott can’t count, race baiting, everything is racist to David Lammy, I don’t know who David Lammy is, more stuff about rape gangs, follow me on Gabb to share pictures of Nazis, lolz they are the Nazis, Corbyn gave Palestinian weapons to Antifa, my prime minister.”

Are you okay dude? Are you having a stroke?

[ealingfox]

55 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

 

I expect there isn't much point trying to persuade somebody who thinks the words Labour and Socialist are interchangeable. Guessing in your view Socialist means anyone who doesn't agree with you?

[Tom17LCFC]

stunning to see people still line up to defend these cretins. 

[leicsmac]

56 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Can I ask - how do you feel that the current government (let's draw a line before Cameron and go with May/ Johnson) have benefited and improved Britain for the majority of people? 

 

By that, I mean everyone from the richest to the poorest, the healthiest to the infirm. 

Please bear in mind that for some people the concept of empathy extending beyond one's line of sight is akin to fish riding a bicycle (no matter its utility both morally and practically) and self interest is their sole guiding star.

 

That isn't a judgement, but a simple statement of fact.

[weller54]

22 minutes ago, Tom17LCFC said:

stunning to see people still line up to defend these cretins. 

The only answer you'll keep getting is...

It would be worse under Labour!!

Really!.. How exactly?

It's like having a sensible conversation with a Brexiteer... why did you vote out?

Sit back and wait for the unbelievable nonsense that spews out of their mouths!!

 

Edited 24 May 2022 by weller54

[Footballwipe]

14 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

I expect there isn't much point trying to persuade somebody who thinks the words Labour and Socialist are interchangeable. Guessing in your view Socialist means anyone who doesn't agree with you?

Quite. That and the "lifelong Tory" stuff in there. Institutionalised. Lost to the system. People who hitch themselves to one politician or one party for their entire life absolutely baffle me, really. The inability to see both the good and flaws in political parties and leaders over the years is absolutely not a good thing.

 

Retired who just never wants anything to change in their head, and would vote Tory even if they tore their house down to lay a road over the top, making them homeless. It's a shame, but there's millions like that.

 

Oh and one final thing "borrowing yet more hundreds of billions" again just like the Conservatives have been running a surplus for the last 12 years, and are intending to in future? No.

[Gubbins]

1 hour ago, Fazzer 7 said:

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

Taking party loyalty out of it the reason you should vote for someone else is because the Conservatives don't deserve your vote. The constant u turns, lies, cronyism, corruption and complete inability to achieve anything of substance. That's before you get to the people you'd be voting for. Born to rule, etonites with no concept of a normal person's day to day like Johnson, Rees Mogg and Sunak or utter incompetents like Dorries and Raab who's primary concern is to cling on to their undeserved position. Chances are Labour or a coalition of them and some other parties wouldn't be much better but at least there's a chance they would be. Things will only get worse with the current bunch in charge.

[RoboFox]

This country's fvcking rotten to the core, isn't it? 

[foxile5]

15 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

This country's fvcking rotten to the core, isn't it? 

Yes.

 

And I don't know that it can be changed and the lifeboats have been chucked overboard with the baby and the bathwater.

 

I think that, over the next thirty years, the repercussions of this leadership and the pandemic are going to result in such a huge economic disparity between the haves and have-nots that we'll see extreme poverty in Britain the likes of which we've thought impossible. I hope it's sensationalism but I can honestly see us becoming a third world, desperate nation. The type of rank poverty and inequality you see in America but set against the backdrop of a crumbling and ugly infrastructure.

[weller54]

3 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Yes.

 

And I don't know that it can be changed and the lifeboats have been chucked overboard with the baby and the bathwater.

 

I think that, over the next thirty years, the repercussions of this leadership and the pandemic are going to result in such a huge economic disparity between the haves and have-nots that we'll see extreme poverty in Britain the likes of which we've thought impossible. I hope it's sensationalism but I can honestly see us becoming a third world, desperate nation. The type of rank poverty and inequality you see in America but set against the backdrop of a crumbling and ugly infrastructure.

And Brexit will exacerbate that further!

 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

Would we have 15 million people living in poverty?

Would 41% of Universal Credit claimants already be in work? 

Would 2 million people be using food banks? (up from 60,000 in 2010)

Would they have handled COVID better? (If your answer is no please explain)

Would they have chosen to provide food to the 1.75m children who were on Free School Meals during a pandemic when the schools were shut?

Would 1.75m children even be on Free School Meals? 

Would the NHS be functional?

 

[Finnaldo]

1 hour ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

‘Socialist’ is being extremely liberal with the term in regards to Labour under Starmer, especially given the clamp down on the Left Wing of the party. 
 

‘Borrowing’, as you put it, is a bit of a misnomer given it’s nothing like an individual borrowing or lending money. Furthermore, if you do want to compare it to the individual, go do you think prospers more in the general sense: the person who invests in themselves or the person who doesn’t wash, wears rags and lives in a run down hovel to be ‘fiscally responsible’? Unfettered borrowing obviously is a bad policy but as we’ve found out, so is austerity. You need to sensibly invest in your country to see it in prosper. ‘Levelling Up’ seems to be nothing more than a tool to either reward or punish Tory & Non-Tory constituencies and is more or less a money sink. I’d rather see sensible governance under a moderate Starmer oversee investment in this nation frankly. 

In regards to suffering, what’s something of a whataboutism. “Are the current Ukrainians suffering as much as Holocaust victims, they’re not being genocided, that’s real suffering!”. Ultimately we still have folk going hungry in the U.K., food bank usage is on the rise, things have gotten worse under the Tories. And whether it’s general decay or higher crime, that affects everyone in this country regardless of tax bracket. 

 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Please enlighten me as to how our lives here in the UK would be so much better under a labour/socialist Government? People keep banging on about this, but without borrowing  yet more hundreds of billions. I'd suggest nothing will improve the "suffering".  Suffering btw is what is happening to the people of Ukraine!

 

I've voted Conservative all my life, just a normal bloke who had a small business and as now retired early. Ive never felt remotely inclined to vote Labour, why is that? if they're so good for everyone! Persuade me why I should vote labour in 2024, I acknowledge right now isn't a good time, but the pandemic and reaction to it has caused this, and not just here, the World over. 

 

And herein lies a problem.

 

Why is it up to the common man to prove to a conservative voter, during what is self-evidently a poor and immoral leadership, the need to change their habits. Voting shouldn't be a habitual, team sport. It should be reactionary based on what we're seeing and a huge segment of society don't want to acknowledge that there is a significant and sustained crisis of leadership because of deeply entrenched voting habits. If you can't look at the current state of affairs and reach the conclusion that we need change then there isn't anything anyone on any forum can say that will justify it to you. It's like asking to change football teams.

 

In England we have a team sport in democracy.

[Strokes]

There is no point in having a democracy if you refuse to change your vote come what May.

I don’t know who I will vote for, if at all at the next GE but I will guarantee it wont be who I voted for in the last GE.

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

17 hours ago, weller54 said:

E) he ends up in a ditch.

Last time I posted similar to this I got banning points on my account, first ones in the 10+ years I’ve been on here 

 

I agree with you though 

[Leicester_Loyal]

It’s got so bad that even I am willing to vote Labour just to get these idiots out. 

[yorkie1999]

44 minutes ago, Strokes said:

There is no point in having a democracy if you refuse to change your vote come what May.

I don’t know who I will vote for, if at all at the next GE but I will guarantee it wont be who I voted for in the last GE.

 

All i want to see is a party that lays down a manifesto and then delivers on it. What we have now is just liars and conmen. "We'll give 400 million a week to the NHS"   fair play, get on with it then " ahh we didn't actually mean we'll give 400 million to the NHS" WTF.