Bellend Sebastian Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 I'm sure nobody ever reads these (they are, as the name suggests, 'long') but I'm putting this up because I think it's important: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/14/a-merry-go-round-of-buck-passing-inside-the-four-year-grenfell-inquiry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leicsmac Posted 14 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 14 June 2022 1 hour ago, fox_up_north said: I think it boils down to the fact that English is pretty much the world's second language. We did such a damn good job of spreading our culture and making it seem amazing, no wonder everyone wants to come here. Sadly, the reality is that we don't have the space or jobs for them. It would be great for all these people to come over, work in public services and pay tax but they can't - for numerous reasons. With climate change, it'll only get worse. For years, I've felt like our solution should be education programmes in those countries - paying for language courses in French, Spanish, etc and showing them that England isn't all it's cracked up to be. Right. I wonder how the people with "concerns about immigration" are going to react when there's a billion people all needing a new place to live, eat and drink in a timeframe of around a decade, not too far away? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes1988 Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Right. I wonder how the people with "concerns about immigration" are going to react when there's a billion people all needing a new place to live, eat and drink in a timeframe of around a decade, not too far away? With the same scepticism as today unfortunately. Because the consequences of climate change will be relatively 'slow'. When I say slow I mean in proportion to time perceived by a human life that lasts 80/90 years. In earth timescales the changes to the planet in the last 100 years have moved at an incredible speed. Not all these people will need a place to live, food and water problems at the same time so I'm sure well get the usual drivel that there's no proof its caused by humans this is the natural cycle of the earth, consumerism via technology will solve all the problems etc etc I think for some sceptical people unless we see heat waves in winter hurricanes in the uk then they cannot get their heads around climate change Edited 14 June 2022 by foxes1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 55 minutes ago, Zear0 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61475720 There's literally record job vacancies (1.3 million) so only butted in here as I've heard this one from a few posters and not sure it's accurate. Given seasonal workers have abandoned us, economically we're desperate for workers. I do agree it's a massive challenge to accommodate economic migrants given the massively overburdened affordable and social housing stock (shame we flogged it all and Boris is saying to do the same with what's left). I would try and disassociate the asylum seekers from economic migrants which seem to have merged into a single group and require very different solutions. How many of those Jobs are being filled by sub-contractors, bank staff or agency workers? it’s not a true reflection without that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, foxes1988 said: With the same scepticism as today unfortunately. Because the consequences of climate change will be relatively 'slow'. When I say slow I mean in proportion to time perceived by a human life that lasts 80/90 years. In earth timescales the changes to the planet in the last 100 years have moved at an incredible speed. Not all these people will need a place to live, food and water problems at the same time so I'm sure well get the usual drivel that there's no proof its caused by humans this is the natural cycle of the earth, consumerism via technology will solve all the problems etc etc I think for some sceptical people unless we see heat waves in winter hurricanes in the uk then they cannot get their heads around climate change I don't disagree at all, apart from the speed - I do think while it won't happen all at the same time, it will happen in a short time (like within a decade overall from start to finish). And what this will result in is the death of a large proportion of those billion people and the suffering of the rest. And I hope the responsibility for that ignorance-fuelled holocaust is placed where it should be - with those who didn't see a problem either now or when it does happen. Edited 14 June 2022 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 50 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Right. I wonder how the people with "concerns about immigration" are going to react when there's a billion people all needing a new place to live, eat and drink in a timeframe of around a decade, not too far away? I genuinely wonder the same about the people who believe borders are just make believe and need binning. Somehow doubt the same welcome one and all attitude will prevail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 7 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I genuinely wonder the same about the people who believe borders are just make believe and need binning. Somehow doubt the same welcome one and all attitude will prevail. Yep. Ideal in principle but very much lacking in practice, because humans like to listen to their hindbrain. That's something I know and have to accept. Therefore, it might be hoped that something in between "no borders" and "raise the drawbridge" might be sorted out that doesn't result in dire consequences. And lest anyone be thinking otherwise, current policy is much more inclined towards the latter than the former and I think that might get even worse when the pressure *really* cranks up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes1988 Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 9 minutes ago, Innovindil said: I genuinely wonder the same about the people who believe borders are just make believe and need binning. Somehow doubt the same welcome one and all attitude will prevail. Your right its just that the proportion of people you're talking about is significantly lower then the amount with concerns about immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 Nice plane for 7 people! Money well spent 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain King Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 1 minute ago, adam said: Nice plane for 7 people! Money well spent 😆 They've used a lot of gumption there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 £250k to fly 7 people to Rwanda. Not counting the carbon cost. Really is a shambles and works out cheaper to just keep them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 26 minutes ago, adam said: Nice plane for 7 people! Money well spent 😆 Said to have cost £250k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 14 June 2022 Author Share Posted 14 June 2022 14 minutes ago, fox_up_north said: £250k to fly 7 people to Rwanda. Not counting the carbon cost. Really is a shambles and works out cheaper to just keep them here. Not only that but we’re getting 100+ Rwandans in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Footballwipe Posted 14 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 14 June 2022 Frankly it doesn't matter how much it costs per person. It doesn't matter how many or few get sent there. It doesn't matter a jot, it's a cast iron vote winner with the gammon clan. The DT's above like this. Hard Brexit, hate anyone with a foreign accent, despise refugees and those fleeing persecution. It's secured their vote. You will not find them wavering from the Tory train now. good vote winner, even if the value for money to the public is zero. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 2 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Frankly it doesn't matter how much it costs per person. It doesn't matter how many or few get sent there. It doesn't matter a jot, it's a cast iron vote winner with the gammon clan. The DT's above like this. Hard Brexit, hate anyone with a foreign accent, despise refugees and those fleeing persecution. It's secured their vote. You will not find them wavering from the Tory train now. good vote winner, even if the value for money to the public is zero. The worst thing about this (other than being accurate)? Such ideology will have much, much worse consequences going forward, as talked about above. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 44 minutes ago, Lionator said: Not only that but we’re getting 100+ Rwandans in return. Is that true? Is that a one time deal or does every plane come back with Rwandan exchange students? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 Has there ever been a more despicable Government in charge of our Country!!?🤬🤬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bovril Posted 14 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 14 June 2022 Pretty low moment in our country's recent history 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCCHRIS Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 Worth a go to see if the deterrent effect is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 It’s amazing how many of the “country is full” types are more than happy to have children and contribute to population growth in the UK themselves. Would be interesting the figures of how many homes in the UK are either not someone’s first home or else are owned by some overseas billionaire who never occupies the house but lists it as a place of business for tax purposes. I imagine they’d be plenty of homes to house everyone with many to spare if that political will was there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 This lot must be the most incompetent bunch of idiots that have set foot on the planet. Seriously, who votes for them? It seems they shoot themselves in the foot with everything they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 13 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: This lot must be the most incompetent bunch of idiots that have set foot on the planet. Seriously, who votes for them? It seems they shoot themselves in the foot with everything they do. The Judean Peoples Front are better organised!!.. The Tories are splitters!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Falling Foxes Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 As long as countries and borders exist, you cannot have a complete open door policy. Resources would soon get overwhelmed and we all would be affected. Yes, we argue about current immigration policy, but some control is necessary. Can we agree on that? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Falling Foxes Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, weller54 said: The Judean Peoples Front are better organised!!.. The Tories are splitters!! I reckon that in the General Chat Thread over time, most of Holy Grail and Life of Brian has been quoted. Python (Monty) pictures, will have us for plagiarism. Edited 14 June 2022 by Free Falling Foxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 14 June 2022 Share Posted 14 June 2022 1 minute ago, Free Falling Foxes said: I reckon that in the Geneal Chat Thread over time, most of Holy Trail and Life of Brian has been quoted. Python (Monty) pictures, will have us for plagiarism. I'm guilty and so is my wife. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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