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The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

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foxile5

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1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said:

Maybe she thinks the dinosaurs should have negotiated better terms with the meteor instead of going on strike from life?

 

I bet she’s excited for this new Jurassic world documentary. 

The tilt of the head and searching eyes. 

 

She actually thinks she's got n this particular upstart bang to rights. 

 

I hope she was escorted off premises and told she was too stupid to take part in public forum. 

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leicsmac

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8 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

But the MSM definitely had an agenda of wanting harder longer lockdowns more restrictions etc etc. I don’t ever recall them wanting less, unlike some of the lesser known media outlets. 

That's certainly an opinion that can be held.

 

But they weren't responsible for the death of nearly 200,000 people in the UK and over six million worldwide in the space of two years.

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, people are so focused on what other people can do (which often can be bad, yes) that they lose sight of how other, more "natural" players can be so much worse.

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Jon the Hat

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15 hours ago, Dunge said:

On the Tories, what we’re seeing at the moment doesn’t resemble a Tory party that I’d want to vote for. The lack of honour, the lack of integrity, the lack of any discernible plan, the Republican-esque focus on culture wars. They have had two really unfortunate situations to deal with in Covid and Ukraine, both of which have contributed a lot to current problems, but there are so few signs of competence out there, plus the increasingly erratic behaviour of the so-called Tory press, plus the fact that Labour have a moderate and electable leader - I can’t see why they should get my support right now.

 

Which I don’t see as a good thing. The Conservative party should stand for something after all - economic prudence, a society of achievement and ambition, personal responsibility and family values. It’s perfectly clear by now that all Boris stands for is himself, and the awful thing is the sheer number of Tory MPs who have joined him in that. I’m not writing the Conservatives off for the future, but they need a clearout, and that won’t happen until they lose a general election badly. If they keep on moving toward the Republicans, I can’t see them ever getting my vote back.

 

As for Brexit, I voted Brexit, still back Brexit and would vote for it again. I can’t say I’m happy about how it’s going, but I fully expected a period of turbulence. I still think breaking from the EU is a good thing on balance in the longer term, and would only have got harder the longer it went on.

 

I prefer not to engage in arguments about it anymore though. I’ve had enough misery on that front to last a lifetime. The arguments always end up going around in circles and have ended up with people I like and love getting angry at me for not backing down. It’s possible my health suffered from it. So aside from very occasional bits like this I try to avoid disappearing down that rabbit hole anymore.

 

Of course, it doesn’t help matters when you get people like Jacob Rees-Mogg scratching around for “benefits of Brexit”, only managing to display in the process that he hasn’t got any clue what he was campaigning for in the first place. To me, Brexit was - and remains - an opportunity for us to define ourselves, to have Brand Britain, one of independent scientific and technological excellence, one of military and diplomatic shrewdness, of being able to respond quickly and flexibly to world events, of being the leader in the global fight against climate change, of believing that Britain and British values are good for the world and worth promoting. Instead we have JRM bringing back imperial measurements.

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if we ended up back in the EU, given that nobody at the top table has any demonstrable vision for what Brexit Britain. It’s almost like they’re destroying the idea through their own incompetence. However, I can’t imagine the EU would let us back in without significant demands, including joining the Euro. So that argument feels like it’s hiding around the corner in a few years’ time, ready to blow up on society once again. I expect I’ll just shake my head at it sadly and try not to offer an opinion.

Well said.  Fully agree the Conservative parliamentary party has lost my support completely.  Their failure to remove Boris is damning.

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st albans fox

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15 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

And Dowden has quit as party Chairman.  If any Tory MPs are under the illusion voters still want Boris this may be a wakeup call.  Massive swing in Wakefield.

The by election results are expected - the swings are at the higher end but the results themselves won’t change anything 

 

the most significant event of the night is dowden’s resignation and the words used

he is positioning himself for a new leader - first one out I think …..

If cabinet resignations begin then that will accelerate Johnson’s departure (but most of them know they wouldn’t get a job with another PM cos they’re useless so don’t expect a rush) 

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Fazzer 7

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20 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Well they were warned. Should have sent Boris packing long before now. 

There’s no choice now, surely. He’s a dead man walking. Bin him or get hammered at the GE. They’ll probably lose anyway but with him it’ll be a landslide. 

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2 minutes ago, weller54 said:

What is astonishing though is you've still got thousands of people still prepared to vote Tory!!..

Wtf is wrong with them?

The Tory-biased media is what is wrong - people are conditioned and convinced that the Tory hierarchy are somehow the patriotic option and almost commensurate with royalty. Which in one sense is actually true.

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34 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

There’s no choice now, surely. He’s a dead man walking. Bin him or get hammered at the GE. They’ll probably lose anyway but with him it’ll be a landslide. 

 

I say give him a bit more time  :ph34r:

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Lovely results to wake up too. Even better that Boris has said he is going to keep going but listen to voters, like he’s said after the last 3 losses. He's heading for a landslide defeat.

 

The only problem we have is that because he refuses to go we could end up with Gullis and Jenkinson on the front bench. 

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4 minutes ago, Dames said:

Lovely results to wake up too. Even better that Boris has said he is going to keep going but listen to voters, like he’s said after the last 3 losses. He's heading for a landslide defeat.

 

The only problem we have is that because he refuses to go we could end up with Gullis and Jenkinson on the front bench. 

I don’t think it’s a problem in the grand scheme of things. The longer Boris and this collection keep in position, the more chance of a defeat at next election. 
 

The Libs Mp at Tiverton said it’s time to resign for Boris. He’s won his seat because of Boris. Just 

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Dames

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26 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I don’t think it’s a problem in the grand scheme of things. The longer Boris and this collection keep in position, the more chance of a defeat at next election. 
 

The Libs Mp at Tiverton said it’s time to resign for Boris. He’s won his seat because of Boris. Just 

True but the damage of having extremely incompetent people in position for a year or two could hinder the next government.

 

I mean look at Dorries, she will destroy C4 even though nobody but Boris Johnson wants her too because they hurt his feelings. 

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Dowden hasnt been too bad for a Tory in the interviews I've seen of him.

 

As many have said already, any decent roleholders (there arent many) will resign while the cabinet and our supreme leader won't since they'll never get back on the front bench under any othet leader aince they're shiiiiiite

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19 minutes ago, Dames said:

True but the damage of having extremely incompetent people in position for a year or two could hinder the next government.

 

I mean look at Dorries, she will destroy C4 even though nobody but Boris Johnson wants her too because they hurt his feelings. 

Go Nads!!🤮🤬🤬

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