The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[Spiritwalker]

1 hour ago, tom27111 said:

This.

 

I keep up with the news alot, but stay out of politics. On here and in life.

 

The last few years have been a shambles, but probably still better than if the opposition got in at the last general election.

 

Boris needs to fvck off, but we should be thankful that he beat Corbyn.

I’m no supporter of Corbyn but I would be interested to know how people think he would have done a worse 

job of running the country.

 

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Anyone still defending this lot, at least just accept at this point that you're wedded to your party, whatever they do. You support them like they're your football team. You want them to succeed, not because it benefits you or your country, but because they're 'your side', and their success means that you're right.

 

It's literally impossible not to admit that at this stage. What is worse than this? It is totally unimaginable that anybody else could do a worse job.

…BuT cOrByN.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

I hate the fact we have to listen to Rees-Mogg, Dorries, Raab, Truss. Other Governments have been crap with shit people in them but this lot seem to exist to piss people off and revel in it.

I think we would struggle to find a government in history made up of such an incompetent bunch.  As I said at the time, picking a government made up of only loyal brexiteers was a mistake.  Just not enough experience in there sadly.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

I’m no supporter of Corbyn but I would be interested to know how people think he would have done a worse 

job of running the country.

Would he have this stench of utter bullshit? No because he is a conviction politician not a populist.  Unfortunately his convictions should stay in the 70s and would have likely taken us back there.

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, Nod.E said:

Anyone still defending this lot, at least just accept at this point that you're wedded to your party, whatever they do. You support them like they're your football team. You want them to succeed, not because it benefits you or your country, but because they're 'your side', and their success means that you're right.

 

It's literally impossible not to admit that at this stage. What is worse than this? It is totally unimaginable that anybody else could do a worse job.

 

So when you accept that, accept that you've bought into a cult. Accept that your judgement is clouded.

 

The first step of healing is realising the problem. Don't let pride get in the way of recognising that you've been misled. The conservatives are very clever people in some respects, they can be very persuasive, and they have the means and channels to mislead, too. 

 

This coming from someone who voted Tory aged 18. 

 

For a second forget about the fact you're Tory and 'they' are something else. Is the idea of blinkered, cult following not a scary concept? Unchallenged power leads to abuse of power. On a low level that's ridiculous fuel prices with little to no challenge. 10/20/30 years down the track? War.

 

Thankfully it feels like the tide is turning and people are seeing sense, but without even having read this thread I know there are still people that need to read this.

 

Scary, scary people. I'd know, my own family is full of them.

The only people supporting Boris now are those who are either so wedded to him they cannot admit their failings, or those with some personal benefit.  This applies to MPs and voters I guess.

I really hope the Conservative party can find a new direction, and fast.  At the moment, as in Australia, a term of Labour looks the most likely next step.

[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

They take defending the indefensible to a whole new level and, therefore, treat us all with utter contempt.

Yet there are still those, including on here, who argue it would be worse under Labour!

It could have been worse under Corbyn from the time of the last election.  Clearly Starmer would be a better option today.

[ozleicester]

Those saying worse under Corbyn are just hiding their commitment to the Tories, A slow growing fungus would have been better than Boris and his entirely corrupt party.

[SemperEadem]

Pretty mad night that was.

[Jon the Hat]

32 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

Those saying worse under Corbyn are just hiding their commitment to the Tories, A slow growing fungus would have been better than Boris and his entirely corrupt party.

I am not hiding anything.  I am more closely aligned politically with the centre right, and that is where I want the Conservative Party to be.  Much like the entire Labour party was not under the spell of Corbyn, there are plenty of decent Tory MPs who would make fine PMs.  Like I said, I do think Corbyn would have been a worse choice at the time, but not that he would be such an ****ing national embarrassment.  In hindsight I would still cote Tory in 2019, as It is very important to have sent Corbyn and his acolytes packing from front line politics.  As generally shite as this lot have been, they have done less damage than a Corbyn government might have done.

[fox_up_north]

I absolutely fail to see how a Corbyn government could have done worse than literally everything that has happened

[Eurofox]

[st albans fox]

This is in danger of becoming a wierd thread

 

you can’t argue for something that you have no evidence of proof of whatsoever. 
 

nor can you argue against it 

 

jezza - who absolutely knows ??

 

what is apparent is that you need good people around you - I imagine jezza would have suffered from that malaise too. 

[Voll Blau]

Oh good. I see we're back on to whataboutery rather than what's actually happened then.

 

That's how he's got away with running our country into the gutter like this. Because people are still obsessed with something that never happened.

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Would he have this stench of utter bullshit? No because he is a conviction politician not a populist.  Unfortunately his convictions should stay in the 70s and would have likely taken us back there.

Quite ironic given the current situation we have. Strikes, energy crisis. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

Jezza wouldn't have been far off this much of a disaster purely by the disdain of his fellow party members before he took office

[HighPeakFox]

Dear 'Corbyn would have been worse'-ites - just go and bloody well read Animal Farm by George Orwell, and Lord of the Flies, by William Golding, and then have a long hard think. Please.

[Daggers]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Would he have this stench of utter bullshit? No because he is a conviction politician not a populist.  Unfortunately his convictions should stay in the 70s and would have likely taken us back there.

Again, not sure where the 'we' comes from seeing as you don't live here.

 

We currently have a summer of strikes, a cost of living crisis, child poverty (27% - higher than the 70s - 1.8M vs 3.9M).

 

Contract awarding by Johnson ending up with rife corruption, poor quality products binned, and £billions written off.

 

The level of rape, sexual harassment, assaults, groping and porn watching has exceeded even Major's administration's record setting levels. Meanwhile, the use of drink by MPs equals that of the 70s and drugs far exceeds its historical precedent. 

 

Honestly, anybody saying Corbyn could have cocked up worse than Johnson is on meth. At worst, he would have cocked up in a different way and it would've been the corporations and richest who would currently be crying into their caviar.

 

I thought he was a completely hopeless leader and would've made a poor PM, but he wouldn't have been funded by Putin, he wouldn't have got someone to pay £120,000 to furnish his flat, he wouldn't have tried to build a £150,000 tree house, and he wouldn't have hosted multiple law-breaking parties.

 

The entire "But Corbyn" argument is complete horseshit.

[Finnaldo]

‘But Corbyn’ really means nothing as the Tories have had at least three decent opportunities to get rid since 2022 started and yet we sit here with the bloke having immunity from another VONC for another year and now pretty much free to cling on up until that point. The Tories only now want rid because they believe he’s passed the bad optics point of no return, they were happy to stand behind him as he bastardised any integrity or honour the post of Prime Minister had. 
 

The rot has passed from the apple to the entire cart and it’s time for a reset. 

[ClaphamFox]

10 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Again, not sure where the 'we' comes from seeing as you don't live here.

 

We currently have a summer of strikes, a cost of living crisis, child poverty (27% - higher than the 70s - 1.8M vs 3.9M).

 

Contract awarding by Johnson ending up with rife corruption, poor quality products binned, and £billions written off.

 

The level of rape, sexual harassment, assaults, groping and porn watching has exceeded even Major's administration's record setting levels. Meanwhile, the use of drink by MPs equals that of the 70s and drugs far exceeds its historical precedent. 

 

Honestly, anybody saying Corbyn could have cocked up worse than Johnson is on meth. At worst, he would have cocked up in a different way and it would've been the corporations and richest who would currently be crying into their caviar.

 

I thought he was a completely hopeless leader and would've made a poor PM, but he wouldn't have been funded by Putin, he wouldn't have got someone to pay £120,000 to furnish his flat, he wouldn't have tried to build a £150,000 tree house, and he wouldn't have hosted multiple law-breaking parties.

 

The entire "But Corbyn" argument is complete horseshit.

He may not have been funded by Putin, but he would not have stood up to him either. In any international conflict crisis such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he would have been beyond useless. Let’s not forget that his response to the Salisbury poisonings was to say that we should send a sample of the poison involved to Russia and ask then politely whether they did it or not.

 

And yes, he may not have ordered a £120k refurb of his flat, but this is a man who happily took money to spout propaganda on Iranian state TV. He’s just as morally bankrupt as Johnson, albeit it a slightly different way.

[ozleicester]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

I am not hiding anything.  I am more closely aligned politically with the centre right, and that is where I want the Conservative Party to be.  Much like the entire Labour party was not under the spell of Corbyn, there are plenty of decent Tory MPs who would make fine PMs.  Like I said, I do think Corbyn would have been a worse choice at the time, but not that he would be such an ****ing national embarrassment.  In hindsight I would still cote Tory in 2019, as It is very important to have sent Corbyn and his acolytes packing from front line politics.  As generally shite as this lot have been, they have done less damage than a Corbyn government might have done.

"... I would still vote Tory"

 

Is all you needed to type.

[StanSP]

 

 

[ealingfox]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

I wondered if that was real, bloody hell

[Diffco]

6 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

He may not have been funded by Putin, but he would not have stood up to him either. In any international conflict crisis such as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, he would have been beyond useless. Let’s not forget that his response to the Salisbury poisonings was to say that we should send a sample of the poison involved to Russia and ask then politely whether they did it or not.

 

And yes, he may not have ordered a £120k refurb of his flat, but this is a man who happily took money to spout propaganda on Iranian state TV. He’s just as morally bankrupt as Johnson, albeit it a slightly different way.

"Just as morally bankrupt as Johnson" 

 

Not in any way, shape or form. Boris has dug himself holes his entire life, but somehow managed to dig upwards into ever more higher positions of authority, and shat the bed with every one. 

[Innovindil]

 

 

Wonder if the commitee change the rules to allow another vote of no confidence whether he'll survive or not. Surely not... Right?

 

 

[Fazzer 7]

8 hours ago, Nod.E said:

Anyone still defending this lot, at least just accept at this point that you're wedded to your party, whatever they do. You support them like they're your football team. You want them to succeed, not because it benefits you or your country, but because they're 'your side', and their success means that you're right.

 

It's literally impossible not to admit that at this stage. What is worse than this? It is totally unimaginable that anybody else could do a worse job.

 

So when you accept that, accept that you've bought into a cult. Accept that your judgement is clouded.

 

The first step of healing is realising the problem. Don't let pride get in the way of recognising that you've been misled. The conservatives are very clever people in some respects, they can be very persuasive, and they have the means and channels to mislead, too. 

 

This coming from someone who voted Tory aged 18. 

 

For a second forget about the fact you're Tory and 'they' are something else. Is the idea of blinkered, cult following not a scary concept? Unchallenged power leads to abuse of power. On a low level that's ridiculous fuel prices with little to no challenge. 10/20/30 years down the track? War.

 

Thankfully it feels like the tide is turning and people are seeing sense, but without even having read this thread I know there are still people that need to read this.

 

Scary, scary people. I'd know, my own family is full of them.

Like you I’ve voted Tory since 18. I pretty much concer with everything you’ve written. What I want is Johnson gone, and every cabinet member still supporting him, they’re defending the indefensible. For godsake get this utter moron out before he destroys the party.