The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Just now, Leicester_Loyal said: All they have is 'Brexit' and 'we're not Corbyn', that's it. Yeah he's drowning here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 1 hour ago, Finnaldo said: Obviously not a Tory voter and they may have the worse culture for it (certainly the most brazen acts of it at least) but I’d be very surprised if this isn’t a cross-bench or issue at it’s heart, probably exacerbated on the Conservative side bt Johnson’s complete lack of standards or conduct in party leadership. These matters generally aren’t political (although as I mentioned they can be worsened by certain ‘views’) and it’s important to remember that power can corrupt whether you consider the politician on the ‘good side’ or not. A local Labour MP wasn’t that long ago done on stalking/harassment charges. But to circle back and underline: clearly the poor leadership we’re seeing is allowing a lot more of this though, so I do get your point. Totally, Claudia Webbe is case in point. You have to be a narcissist to some point as a MP and it’s rife amongst the HoC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 And another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 This is hilarious. I watch pmqs regularly and he can usually bully starmer but today he clearly looks tired, confused and befuddled. He’s barely coherent. I used to work with Ben Everitt who got the first question, shame no one cares about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Horse's Mouth Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Ian Blackford very careful with his words considering he's basically done exactly what Boris has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: I used to work with Ben Everitt who got the first question, shame no one cares about him Carry a knife and end up behind bars, something the majority of us support I imagine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 3 hours ago, st albans fox said: they are both works of fiction …….. And that, whilst true, is utterly irrelevant. Both authors were wise, and writing in their experiences of human behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: This is hilarious. I watch pmqs regularly and he can usually bully starmer but today he clearly looks tired, confused and befuddled. He’s barely coherent. I used to work with Ben Everitt who got the first question, shame no one cares about him Eh? He usually just spouts a bunch of boring, and often untrue, stock lines whatever he's asked. You could count on one hand the number of PMQs he's actually won. Edited 6 July 2022 by Voll Blau 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 2 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Eh? He usually just spout a bunch of boring, and often untrue, stock lines whatever he's asked. You could count on one hand the number of PMQs he's actually won. Probably not the way I see it. Boris can usually set the agenda and bat away Starmers questions with his briefed lines. I think Blackford gives him a harder time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 4 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Probably not the way I see it. Boris can usually set the agenda and bat away Starmers questions with his briefed lines. I think Blackford gives him a harder time Not sure he can usually bully Starmer though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sampson Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 1 hour ago, Daggers said: The last time we had a de facto dictator leading Parliament, having little support from the house, prorogued Parliament, gave himself a fancy title, and led it for three years until he died. Cromwell was dug up after his death, beheaded and popped on a spike. We could fast forward to that final bit. Get Ant and Dec to do it live on a Saturday night show. To be fair Cromwell also destroyed our the hard fought peaceful relationship with the Irish, dealt in extreme nepotism and was a massive ego-centrist. Whereas Boris… (you get the idea ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Just now, Sampson said: To be fair Cromwell also destroyed our the hard fought peaceful relationship with the Irish, dealt in extreme nepotism and was a massive ego-centrist. Whereas Boris… (you get the idea ) Also, the Puritans were repressive religious zealots of the very worst type. Sadly, you can still see their influence stateside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strokes Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 19 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Carry a knife and end up behind bars, something the majority of us support I imagine. Yes so long as the grey areas are understood. I use Stanley knives at work and occasionally forget they are still in my pocket when I go down the pub. Comes in handy if I get in a fight though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Javid twisting the knife. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 1 hour ago, Finnaldo said: Obviously not a Tory voter and they may have the worse culture for it (certainly the most brazen acts of it at least) but I’d be very surprised if this isn’t a cross-bench or issue at it’s heart, probably exacerbated on the Conservative side bt Johnson’s complete lack of standards or conduct in party leadership. These matters generally aren’t political (although as I mentioned they can be worsened by certain ‘views’) and it’s important to remember that power can corrupt whether you consider the politician on the ‘good side’ or not. A local Labour MP wasn’t that long ago done on stalking/harassment charges. But to circle back and underline: clearly the poor leadership we’re seeing is allowing a lot more of this though, so I do get your point. I've mentioned this before but there was a Labour MP interviewed on Radio 4 I reckon six or seven years ago who said sexual impropriety and in particular the exploitation of junior and often unpaid staff who were looking to progress was endemic, was a problem on both sides of the house and was such a huge issue that when it was eventually exposed everyone would wonder how it had been allowed to go on for so long. Are we drawing closer to the day of reckoning for this particular issue, I wonder? I think it's less of a Tory/Labour thing and more of a power and privilege thing. You could be the CEO of a FTSE 100 firm, a priest, a football manager, a newspaper editor, a union boss, movie magnate, or a headmaster; wherever you've got power over others and particularly disproportionate power over people's careers and futures and you want to get your rocks off this stuff seems to have a weary inevitability about it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 (edited) I don't say this lightly as my feelings towards the man are well known and I don't really want to compare the two, but the sheer delusion shown by Johnson in this PMQs reminds me of Trump in a press briefing. It's just "alternative facts", existing in a reality consisting of only him and his sycophants. Edited 6 July 2022 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Towelie Posted 6 July 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 6 July 2022 2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Javid twisting the knife. Yeah he's really going for it here. I think he sees this as the start of his leadership campaign. He has no integrity though, he's just admitted he was lied to by BoJos team about the parties but he's waited until now to come out with it. If it was only the parties then Javid was quite happy to turn a blind eye to the person writing the rules for everyone else completely ignoring them. He's a rat and all his speach was geared around what is best for the Conservative party rather than the electorate. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Voll Blau Posted 6 July 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 6 July 2022 (edited) Javid will win praise for that audition to be Tory leader but it surely won't wash given how much he and his colleagues let slide. Edited 6 July 2022 by Voll Blau 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Hilarious to hear all the 'bye Boris' shouting at the end there! 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said: Selling your integrity for a bit more power, shame on you Nadhim. Im in Canada as many of you know but this "not answering the question" bollocks knows no boundaries. This is exactly why people are so disconnected from politics. They dont serve us, they serve themselves and i am so tired of it. Doesnt matter who leads they all end up being the same, fookin arrogant, out of touch w@nkers! Burn the lot! Lol ok a bit over board. People one day are going to lose it on these tossers and shit will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 Pretty tedious pmq’s but what was telling imo was the near silence of the tory benches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Lcfc Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 (edited) Would love to say that I cannot believe that he is not going anywhere, but I actually can. He is an utter disgrace. He should have resigned about six times already. This is the worst one though, his entire government is falling apart, so much so that he cannot fill jobs, and yet, he is still continuing. I genuinely wonder how damaging this could be to long-standing British democracy. Convention has of course existed for leaders to do the credible thing, even more so, democracy was created to protect people. Johnson has ignored both of these. It has really emphasised how easy it is to do so. I thought at the time that a populist leader having a large majority was concerning, but, I never believed that it would be simply dangerous. If the economy continues to tank and we are succumbed to the same issues, e.g the rise of the living cost, (which we probably will be) then I could honestly see people rioting. Edited 6 July 2022 by Matt_Lcfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Lcfc Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 51 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Eh? He usually just spouts a bunch of boring, and often untrue, stock lines whatever he's asked. You could count on one hand the number of PMQs he's actually won. Which is why calling a snap election would be problematic. I’m not convinced one bit that Starmer would get a majority, it would probably be a hung parliament. Yes, this would destroy the massive majority but also would leader to an indecisive and dependent government. A shakeup is needed on both sides and has been for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 6 July 2022 Share Posted 6 July 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Matt_Lcfc said: Would love to say that I cannot believe that he is not going anywhere, but I actually can. He is an utter disgrace. He should have resigned about six times already. This is the worst one though, his entire government is falling apart, so much so that he cannot fill jobs, and yet, he is still continuing. I genuinely wonder how damaging this could be to long-standing British democracy. Convention has of course existed for leaders to do the credible thing, even more so, democracy was created to protect people. Johnson has ignored both of these. It has really emphasised how easy it is to do so. I thought at the time that a populist leader having a large majority was concerning, but, I never believed that it would be simply dangerous. If the economy continues to tank and we are succumbed to the same issues, e.g the rise of the living cost, (which we probably will be) then I could honestly see people rioting. The past few years in many places has shown how true that all is, really. And pardon for mentioning the man again, but it really was Trump who started the “The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me" behaviour that numerous populists since have imitated. Edited 6 July 2022 by leicsmac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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