Premier League 2022/23 Thread

[An Sionnach]

12 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

I just can't be fully comfortable calling him world class until he's actually won something. There comes a point where you think somebody with such ability cannot simply be that unlucky and there's more to it.

Well, World Cup aside, Bobby Moore won very little with West Ham and few would say he wasn't "world class".. Kane demonstrates his ability often enough against us . He is world class but standards have dropped over the last ten years.

[Long Eaton Fox]

6 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Well, World Cup aside, Bobby Moore won very little with West Ham and few would say he wasn't "world class".. Kane demonstrates his ability often enough against us . He is world class but standards have dropped over the last ten years.

What is the hatred of Harry Kane? World class and no doubt about it. Just been mostly surrounded by crap for England and spurs.

[An Sionnach]

2 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

What is the hatred of Harry Kane? World class and no doubt about it. Just been mostly surrounded by crap for England and spurs.

The banter can get a bit nasty at times I agree.

[StanSP]

Wow

 

 

[foxfanazer]

11 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Wow

 

 

Oh dear god! 

[Bert]

“There heeeee is!” 😂😂😂😂

[Nalis]

26 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Wow

 

 

The was the longest I've cringed in a long time

[foxile5]

40 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Wow

 

 

Jesus christ. 

 

The lady commentator will do well not to be accused of racism there. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, TheStig said:

Audi Cup well done Kane - world class

Kane is World Class. His numbers are unreal for a striker, especially a striker in a top flight. He had three consecutive seasons scoring 25+ ffs and that's no easy job, especially in a side that hasn't actually won anything.

 

Players aren't defined by trophies. Some of the greatest players ever have won next to nothing but some "average" players have won trophies because they've been lucky enough to be part of a great squad.

 

Haaland has won two Austrian league titles, fair play but not the greatest league in the World, but you'd still call him World Class.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Wow

 

 

Cruelly edited though cos if plays for a few more seconds, he's there

[SouthStandUpperTier]

10 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Kane is World Class. His numbers are unreal for a striker, especially a striker in a top flight. He had three consecutive seasons scoring 25+ ffs and that's no easy job, especially in a side that hasn't actually won anything.

 

Players aren't defined by trophies. Some of the greatest players ever have won next to nothing but some "average" players have won trophies because they've been lucky enough to be part of a great squad.

 

Haaland has won two Austrian league titles, fair play but not the greatest league in the World, but you'd still call him World Class.

We really need to define what "world class" actually means though. You see the phrase used so much yet I don't think anyone really knows what it means. There are even posters on here that think Youri is world class, good player though he is.

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

We really need to define what "world class" actually means though. You see the phrase used so much yet I don't think anyone really knows what it means. There are even posters on here that think Youri is world class, good player though he is.

World class definition:

you’re picking a world squad of 22 to play in the inter galactic trophy 
Does a player make the final selection discussion? If he does then I would say he is world class. 
 

of course those who would have made the discussion in the past retain world class status for their period but not if they’ve gone over the top. in a couple of years, ronaldo may still be playing but he likely won’t be world class any longer. 
 

if you want to look at our squad, you would struggle to find anyone getting close to the discussion. If we keep wes for two more seasons then we might have someone. 

 

[Lambert09]

22 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

World class definition:

you’re picking a world squad of 22 to play in the inter galactic trophy 
Does a player make the final selection discussion? If he does then I would say he is world class. 
 

of course those who would have made the discussion in the past retain world class status for their period but not if they’ve gone over the top. in a couple of years, ronaldo may still be playing but he likely won’t be world class any longer. 
 

if you want to look at our squad, you would struggle to find anyone getting close to the discussion. If we keep wes for two more seasons then we might have someone. 

 

i’d probably push it further than just 22. In the top 15 in their position probably for me. 

 

I just always took it as meaning they would be a top player anywhere in the world. 

 

Id  argue vardy is world class simply because his goal ratio is still unreal. I also agree kane is world class. Football is a team sport so you can’t hold back a player based on trophies… it goes for the same dummies dissing messi because he hasn’t won the world cup

 

Can salah never achieve greatness because egypt won’t win a world cup? 

 

You simply have to measure the individual 

 

 

Edited 22 June 2022 by Lambert09

[SouthStandUpperTier]

5 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

i’d probably push it further than just 22. In the top 15 in their position probably for me. 

 

I just always took it as meaning they would be a top player anywhere in the world. 

 

Id  argue vardy is world class simply because his goal ratio is still unreal. I also agree kane is world class. Football is a team sport so you can’t hold back a player based on trophies… it goes for the same dummies dissing messi because he hasn’t won the world cup

 

 

I'd say top 5 at each position. 15 is too many imho.

[davieG]

52 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

I'd say top 5 at each position. 15 is too many imho.

Just because you're in a top 5 doesn't in itself make you world class, they maybe a shortage of perceived world class for a specific position,

[SouthStandUpperTier]

17 minutes ago, davieG said:

Just because you're in a top 5 doesn't in itself make you world class, they maybe a shortage of perceived world class for a specific position,

Defining "world class" is turning out to be a lot harder than I thought it would be.  🤔

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

I'd say top 5 at each position. 15 is too many imho.

i think he meant top fifteen players across all positions. To me that’s too restrictive. That’s why I said a squad of 22. 
 

25 minutes ago, davieG said:

Just because you're in a top 5 doesn't in itself make you world class, they maybe a shortage of perceived world class for a specific position,

Top 5 likely too much for the reason you stated. But then if a certain position is extremely strong then you are possibly going to lose some world class players. Over time they should all get their selection though. 

 

the general point is that it is banded around too loosely 

 

[StanSP]

No wonder they're getting rid of Pogba

 

 

 

[Dan LCFC]

5 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Well, World Cup aside, Bobby Moore won very little with West Ham and few would say he wasn't "world class".. Kane demonstrates his ability often enough against us . He is world class but standards have dropped over the last ten years.

There is a substantial difference between winning a World Cup once and winning nothing. Kane has won literally nothing in his career. It's mental. He is obviously exceptionally talented but there is something missing. This is beyond bad luck at this point.

[Out Foxed]

injuries cost us champions league

[lildave3]

30 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

There is a substantial difference between winning a World Cup once and winning nothing. Kane has won literally nothing in his career. It's mental. He is obviously exceptionally talented but there is something missing. This is beyond bad luck at this point.

I’m not a Kane fan, but he was a couple of penalty kicks away from this narrative being very different. It’s a weird one to judge. Personally I don’t think he’s as good as made out to be, but I would maintain that stance even if he’d won a couple of league titles and a euros. Simultaneously he can’t be can’t not world class simply for not winning them. 

[Dan LCFC]

17 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

I’m not a Kane fan, but he was a couple of penalty kicks away from this narrative being very different. It’s a weird one to judge. Personally I don’t think he’s as good as made out to be, but I would maintain that stance even if he’d won a couple of league titles and a euros. Simultaneously he can’t be can’t not world class simply for not winning them. 

It's a tricky one, I can see both sides, but I just can't bring myself to speak about him the way some do when he has such an obvious gap. I mean a lot accept him as the best striker in the world, is he really?

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

No wonder they're getting rid of Pogba

 

 

 

And this is before factoring in that he’s the biggest twat in football.

[Foxdiamond]

4 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

i’d probably push it further than just 22. In the top 15 in their position probably for me. 

 

I just always took it as meaning they would be a top player anywhere in the world. 

 

Id  argue vardy is world class simply because his goal ratio is still unreal. I also agree kane is world class. Football is a team sport so you can’t hold back a player based on trophies… it goes for the same dummies dissing messi because he hasn’t won the world cup

 

Can salah never achieve greatness because egypt won’t win a world cup? 

 

You simply have to measure the individual 

 

 

Agreed. George Best was an all time great but never made a World Cup Finals tournament 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

There is a substantial difference between winning a World Cup once and winning nothing. Kane has won literally nothing in his career. It's mental. He is obviously exceptionally talented but there is something missing. This is beyond bad luck at this point.

In Kane's defence though, he can't win major honours just on his own but he's played 3 finals for club and country and not scored once so you could argue when the chances do come to win silverware he has to step up.