Corky Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 If Frank Lampard "knew the club" well enough he wouldn't have been deservedly sacked two years ago. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 31 minutes ago, Stinky said: I get his point although the two managers in question probably aren't the best examples. I don't follow foreign football greatly but what exactly has Nagelsmann done in his career so far? Do decent stuff at Hoffenheim despite them being fairly decent before that, then do as expected at Bayern? Is the draw to him that he's done this at a young age?? Has he managed another club? He did good at Leipzig as well. He took Leipzig to a CL semi final. He's young and not without flaws but he's levels above Lampard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 6 minutes ago, Koke said: He did good at Leipzig as well. He took Leipzig to a CL semi final. He's young and not without flaws but he's levels above Lampard. Oh was he in charge when they reached the CL semis? Still RB were one of the better sides behind Bayern when he took over but fair enough, a little better than I originally gave him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 44 minutes ago, Stinky said: I get his point although the two managers in question probably aren't the best examples. I don't follow foreign football greatly but what exactly has Nagelsmann done in his career so far? Do decent stuff at Hoffenheim despite them being fairly decent before that, then do as expected at Bayern? Is the draw to him that he's done this at a young age?? Has he managed another club? Chelsea can do so much better than Lampard but us (English) fans judge English managers and players to a much, much higher standard than foreigners. If Haaland or Mbappe were English we'd look left right and centre for any excuse to dismiss their world class status. Yet Harry Kane isn't allowed in the same category because he's not won any trophies. What has Haaland won in his career? Genuine question as I assume he may have won the Austrian league or perhaps a German Cup but it's not the pinnacle is it. Steven Gerrard did a great job at Rangers but then was mediocre at best with Villa, he's been thrown on the same rubbish dump as Lampard because of one experience. If Julian Smith have the same CV as Julian Nagelsmann he wouldn't be linked with top jobs This is more eloquent but has big "if his name was lampardinho people would be loving it" vibes The time it took you to type that out you could have done a little bit of research into Nagelsmamns career and compared it to that of Lampard. Not a dig, just a suggestion. Europe is a lot bigger than the UK its logical that the pool of talent abroad is going to be greater than the pool of talent in the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 6 minutes ago, filbertway said: This is more eloquent but has big "if his name was lampardinho people would be loving it" vibes The time it took you to type that out you could have done a little bit of research into Nagelsmamns career and compared it to that of Lampard. Not a dig, just a suggestion. Europe is a lot bigger than the UK its logical that the pool of talent abroad is going to be greater than the pool of talent in the UK. Think you've missed the point because my post wasn't some sort of passionate defence of Lampard or a Lampard Vs Nagelsmann comparison. It's that a British manager and a foreign manager could do exactly the same job at exactly the same club at exactly the same time and they will be judged differently, more critical of the British manager and depending on how much success they've had, more dismissive of the achievements too. I'm not saying the best talent is here as opposed to abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 13 minutes ago, filbertway said: This is more eloquent but has big "if his name was lampardinho people would be loving it" vibes The time it took you to type that out you could have done a little bit of research into Nagelsmamns career and compared it to that of Lampard. Not a dig, just a suggestion. Europe is a lot bigger than the UK its logical that the pool of talent abroad is going to be greater than the pool of talent in the UK. was going to say the same thing, its his fancy name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stinky said: I get his point although the two managers in question probably aren't the best examples. I don't follow foreign football greatly but what exactly has Nagelsmann done in his career so far? Do decent stuff at Hoffenheim despite them being fairly decent before that, then do as expected at Bayern? Is the draw to him that he's done this at a young age?? Has he managed another club? Chelsea can do so much better than Lampard but us (English) fans judge English managers and players to a much, much higher standard than foreigners. If Haaland or Mbappe were English we'd look left right and centre for any excuse to dismiss their world class status. Yet Harry Kane isn't allowed in the same category because he's not won any trophies. What has Haaland won in his career? Genuine question as I assume he may have won the Austrian league or perhaps a German Cup but it's not the pinnacle is it. Steven Gerrard did a great job at Rangers but then was mediocre at best with Villa, he's been thrown on the same rubbish dump as Lampard because of one experience. If Julian Smith have the same CV as Julian Nagelsmann he wouldn't be linked with top jobs Hoffenheim are cutting above their weight, and is a challenge to see them competing high up the table & like Mainz,not now a great wonder,but like Leicester ( last 7 yrs) Brighton/Brentford welcome irritant to those traditional German famous names. If one lives in or follows European football..Italy ,Spain are obvious stand outs, France like their cheese often high up but can be pungent.. Germany some sort of inverted confused paradox…Any season maybe any traditional club regularly top 4-6.Teams like Leipzig or Union,upset the odds but not quite the holding power come EOS run in..One club commands the whole history of the Bundesliga..in Bayern who win and play consistent top end Champions League,BVB last other recent German Club . Frankfurt have long history in Europe secondary competition has do some other clubs..One over the years see old English 1st division & PL more competitive…But Internationally German International football 2nd to none… Edited 15 April 2023 by fuchsntf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 4 hours ago, Koke said: A real tweet he likes to make sure he gets the worst take on every situation I'm sure. The doesn't know the league stuff is the worst falocy in football aswell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 11 minutes ago, Stinky said: Think you've missed the point because my post wasn't some sort of passionate defence of Lampard or a Lampard Vs Nagelsmann comparison. It's that a British manager and a foreign manager could do exactly the same job at exactly the same club at exactly the same time and they will be judged differently, more critical of the British manager and depending on how much success they've had, more dismissive of the achievements too. I'm not saying the best talent is here as opposed to abroad. But underratingly …as good. “European” managers, simply because they are foreign,have a UK-media first punt name… But more assume top names or ex-players fail,just as much as a UK manager,in fact rarely get near top 1-2 or save relegation. And now in modern UK football,there is more of them than UK coaches given their first chance in top PL teams. That Potter got the Chelsea call,somewhat suprising,but at present anyone could get the job and struggle… I reckon both Lampard & Gerrard could make top—decent managers,but both even when offered should of shrugged and said not yet. They should have taken on more in championship or a league down,for 4-6 years. ( Lampard did with Derby,but Derby had too many intern politics going on)… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesWalk Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Maddison sold himself on FPL 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 signing of the season has got to be Emery by Villa, cant fault what hes done there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 26 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said: Maddison sold himself on FPL 😂 He also has Amartey in his squad so maybe a relative bad eye sight does his team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunbury Fox Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 17 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said: signing of the season has got to be Emery by Villa, cant fault what hes done there Yeah. They were basically level on points with us when he took over and now they're potentially in the running for a CL spot if they win today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 18 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: He also has Amartey in his squad so maybe a relative bad eye sight does his team So impressed by his interviews, I've been thinking he could end up in management. This has disabused me of that notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Md9 Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Anthony Gordon is pretty dog sh** isn’t he 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFox Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Villa and Newcastle being good again still seems strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 35 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said: signing of the season has got to be Emery by Villa, cant fault what hes done there I’m not big on ‘if onlys’ but had we sacked Rodgers when we should’ve there’s every chance we could’ve got Emery. Had we, I suspect we’d be in the top half now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrispinLA in Texas Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Only way Emery would have come to us if we were called Villacester 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 I got bored watching this too many players going down and exaggerating their pain, moaning and arguing with the ref and assistants. There's far too much cheating and anger in the game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nathan. Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Villa and Watkins flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Interesting seeing how players like Watkins and Toney have flourished in the PL. Post 15/16 and for some time after these are players that we could have been capable of acquiring given our standing but perhaps the established status of Vardy meant they thought their prospects were better elsewhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 We should be where villa are. difference between having a top manager and a shit manager 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winteriscoming Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 Really pisses me off what Villa have done basically turning their season around appointing Emery. Exactly what we should of done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 15 April 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 15 April 2023 @Chocolate Teapot your posts about Emery when he got the Villa gig have aged like milk my brother 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 15 April 2023 Share Posted 15 April 2023 6 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said: Interesting seeing how players like Watkins and Toney have flourished in the PL. Post 15/16 and for some time after these are players that we could have been capable of acquiring given our standing but perhaps the established status of Vardy meant they thought their prospects were better elsewhere. We weren't willing to pay what Villa did for Watkins if I remember. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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