Are you Rodgers in, or Rodgers out?

[kingkisnorbo]

This idea that either of the European campaigns have been in any way a success is just bewildering. Total bollock dropping in both cases. 

[st albans fox]

When facing teams sitting deep, we look dreadful. We go through the correct motions but our lack of confidence coupled with some players simply not having recovered their form after long lay offs means that we take too many touches moving left to right and open doors become closed ones by the time the ball arrives. 

 

good teams make crisp early or first time passes - think the winning goal in Eindhoven. That tempo has been sadly absent this season.  Good teams press in packs with intensiteeee - how often have we done that this season ? 

 

We used to be good on transition or when breaking from deep but again, too many touches or playing safe by turning back for fear of losing possession is typical of out of form/ low confidence players 

 

I am not sitting in the rodgers out camp - however, nor am I necessarily sitting on the other side.  HIs inability to deal with the set piece fiasco, week after week will be his downfall here unless he can find a way out of it.   He’s paid enough and has more than enough support within his coaching staff to sort it out, it’s his problem - it’s not new - in his first full season we were top of the league for set piece goals conceded. Last season we were almost last and now we are firmly bottom.  he should know how this has come about and deal with it. 

Edited 9 May 2022 by st albans fox

[FosseSpark]

It's Curtains for Rodgers

 

 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Two top 5 finishes, two trophies and two solid European Cup runs.

Bottled and blew 2 top 4 finishes that we should have achieved (not once, twice!), one of those trophies is the Community Shield between 2 teams, the second European Cup (sic) run was because we failed to qualify for the one we were in, where we were one of the favourites. 

[Dan LCFC]

5 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

I’m the opposite, can’t believe people want him sacked. 

There was a point where I saw the other side but his comments yesterday are just unbelievable even for him. He's trying to con everyone at this point and it's not even discrete. He's actively tainting our name for his own gain.

 

The great irony, and the proof in the pudding that he's lying, is that if what he was saying was true there is no way he'd have come here. Would he have left Celtic for Watford or Norwich? That's what he's implying we were before he arrived.

 

I really hope Top sees those comments for what they are. I think Rodgers has underperformed all season anyway but to reframe the club to save your own back. Absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe people swallow it. It's annoyed me more than the game and the game was a disgrace in itself.

[Dan LCFC]

1 hour ago, Number 6 said:

I think the extent of our overachieving in those two seasons finishing fifth is exaggerated. The Utd line up on the last day against us in 2020:

 

De Gea

Wan Bissaka

Maguire

Lindelof

Williams

Pogba

Matic

Greenwood

Fernandes

Rashford

Martial

 

They undoubtedly had the star player in Fernandes, and their squad was stronger than ours so a top 4 finish would have been punching about our weight. But 5th wasn't the miraculous feat that many pundits claim. This is the best squad of players we have; because we have assembled the squad sensibly and at lower cost than others does not mean we should accept top half.

Majority of the bigger sides underperformed as well. Arsenal were crap. Spurs were going through with Pochettino what we're going through now (maybe not even that extreme). Chelsea had a transfer ban and were nothing special under Lampard.

We had everything in place and didn't cash in. Then subsequently had a poor Europa League campaign. Then did the same all over again.

[CosbehFox]

The missing out of the top four should not be held against him. 
 

The first season was subject to a conclusion which included multiple new rules introduced and a schedule from hell. While we struggled with injuries, the larger clubs could shuffle their packs, make five subs and have their quarter time break in knowledge we were struggling. The Bournemouth game was a disaster but it also took an unreal run from Man U to get that final spot alongside a very fortunate penalty decision they gain v Villa. 
 

Last season was a massive overachievement when you consider in early parts of the season we were fielding some combinations in defence that were short of quality - won at Leeds with a back line of Albrighton, Justin, Fofana, Fuchs and Thomas. To get into the position of top four was pretty incredible. Newcastle at home was the occasion of overthinking again but Liverpool went on a 28 points out of 30 run which included the goalkeeper scoring a last ditch header. We attempted to balance multiple competitions which led to a right flux of injuries around February. 
 

This season however there’s been repeatedly failures. I do think the cup win mentally put us in a pondering position which saw us become lazy. Rodgers management of the squad with his public comments haven’t been great. 
 

The biggest issue for me is that we’ve shown repeated improvement in the division since coming up. That’s going to slow down by some way and that’s the crux of it for me. I don’t expect top 6. I expect 50 plus points and to be in and around the 7th spot. That errors related to late goals and set pieces if corrected could have still salvaged that.
 

Rodgers bemoans mentality yet he’s publically played players down and pushed the quality of opposition. He’s had a good year to stem the slump; I can accept injuries and the prioritisation opposition. However, that doesn’t detract from the basics of coaching set pieces better or not getting the players to switch on better late in games. Mourinho’s behaviour in the latter stages of the Roma second leg helped them. 

[Dan LCFC]

I'm more forgiving of 2020/21 because of a few reasons. Tougher schedule, better points tally, Liverpool's end of season run (although still managed that without some key players - makes you think), and the obvious is that we won a trophy. I think if you swapped the timing of the seasons, the 2020/21 choke would have been far less focused on for the reasons I mentioned but the fact it had happened once already, albeit not quite as extreme, is why it was.

 

That Southampton away draw in latter 2020/21 is largely overlooked in this because of the nature of the Newcastle loss. 80 minutes vs 10 man Southampton and we churn out the usual ponderous, cautious rubbish then only claw something back from the game once we gift a penalty away. It's that kind of lack of killer instinct that cost us. We won a fixture in the same circumstances 0-9 the season before. While I'm not expecting that, to draw that when you badly need a win, knowing you still have Chelsea & Spurs - it's criminal. Cowardly football.

 

But sorry I cannot agree one bit about 2019/20. We weren't even in the discussion of who might fall out because we were that far clear. We lost at Norwich, Burnley, at home to Southampton all before lockdown. The fact also remains that when the pressure's been on most, we have crumbled. 

[Happy Fox]

50 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

The missing out of the top four should not be held against him. 
 

The first season was subject to a conclusion which included multiple new rules introduced and a schedule from hell. While we struggled with injuries, the larger clubs could shuffle their packs, make five subs and have their quarter time break in knowledge we were struggling. The Bournemouth game was a disaster but it also took an unreal run from Man U to get that final spot alongside a very fortunate penalty decision they gain v Villa. 
 

Last season was a massive overachievement when you consider in early parts of the season we were fielding some combinations in defence that were short of quality - won at Leeds with a back line of Albrighton, Justin, Fofana, Fuchs and Thomas. To get into the position of top four was pretty incredible. Newcastle at home was the occasion of overthinking again but Liverpool went on a 28 points out of 30 run which included the goalkeeper scoring a last ditch header. We attempted to balance multiple competitions which led to a right flux of injuries around February. 
 

This season however there’s been repeatedly failures. I do think the cup win mentally put us in a pondering position which saw us become lazy. Rodgers management of the squad with his public comments haven’t been great. 
 

The biggest issue for me is that we’ve shown repeated improvement in the division since coming up. That’s going to slow down by some way and that’s the crux of it for me. I don’t expect top 6. I expect 50 plus points and to be in and around the 7th spot. That errors related to late goals and set pieces if corrected could have still salvaged that.
 

Rodgers bemoans mentality yet he’s publically played players down and pushed the quality of opposition. He’s had a good year to stem the slump; I can accept injuries and the prioritisation opposition. However, that doesn’t detract from the basics of coaching set pieces better or not getting the players to switch on better late in games. Mourinho’s behaviour in the latter stages of the Roma second leg helped them. 

Do you feel that Top and co perception wise to the outside world as you have mentioned before, will sack him now and it’s justified..

[VLC86]

7 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I'm more forgiving of 2020/21 because of a few reasons. Tougher schedule, better points tally, Liverpool's end of season run (although still managed that without some key players - makes you think), and the obvious is that we won a trophy. I think if you swapped the timing of the seasons, the 2020/21 choke would have been far less focused on for the reasons I mentioned but the fact it had happened once already, albeit not quite as extreme, is why it was.

 

That Southampton away draw in latter 2020/21 is largely overlooked in this because of the nature of the Newcastle loss. 80 minutes vs 10 man Southampton and we churn out the usual ponderous, cautious rubbish then only claw something back from the game once we gift a penalty away. It's that kind of lack of killer instinct that cost us. We won a fixture in the same circumstances 0-9 the season before. While I'm not expecting that, to draw that when you badly need a win, knowing you still have Chelsea & Spurs - it's criminal. Cowardly football.

 

But sorry I cannot agree one bit about 2019/20. We weren't even in the discussion of who might fall out because we were that far clear. We lost at Norwich, Burnley, at home to Southampton all before lockdown. The fact also remains that when the pressure's been on most, we have crumbled. 

This, and when you consider Rodgers’ previous for this it can’t be a coincidence.

 

I think my general assessment if he was to go tomorrow would be a successful period but could, and almost definitely should, have been a lot better.

 

Blowing champions league on the final day of both seasons will define his reign as much as the cup win.

[mozartfox]

3 hours ago, blue army 1988 said:

Im Rodgers in. Not afraid to say it.

I'm in the mind that a fair few players need to leave the club and get some fresh blood in.

 

I am with you.  I can remember when we had Frank McClintock as manager.  So the bar at the moment is still high for me. Fresh Blood and a freshening up of the coaching staff is needed. That will be a tough call for BR, but we need a specialist defensive coach and a new Goal-keeping coach.  This needs sorting during the off and pre-season.

[Fox92]

21 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

 

But sorry I cannot agree one bit about 2019/20. We weren't even in the discussion of who might fall out because we were that far clear. We lost at Norwich, Burnley, at home to Southampton all before lockdown. The fact also remains that when the pressure's been on most, we have crumbled. 

I always point to Norwich H which we never recovered from. We were terrible that day against a poor side. Then followed two batterings, especially Liverpool H.

 

We pretty much didn't beat any good side after that.

[Mythyaar]

1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said:

There was a point where I saw the other side but his comments yesterday are just unbelievable even for him. He's trying to con everyone at this point and it's not even discrete. He's actively tainting our name for his own gain.

 

The great irony, and the proof in the pudding that he's lying, is that if what he was saying was true there is no way he'd have come here. Would he have left Celtic for Watford or Norwich? That's what he's implying we were before he arrived.

 

I really hope Top sees those comments for what they are. I think Rodgers has underperformed all season anyway but to reframe the club to save your own back. Absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe people swallow it. It's annoyed me more than the game and the game was a disgrace in itself.

Absolutely this.

 

Those comments were disgusting.

 

As an Evertonian work colleague who has been gently ribbing and thanking me in equal measure today (for donating 4 points to their survival cause), what Rodgers said was "typical Kopite behaviour"!

[BenTheFox]

2 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

There was a point where I saw the other side but his comments yesterday are just unbelievable even for him. He's trying to con everyone at this point and it's not even discrete. He's actively tainting our name for his own gain.

 

The great irony, and the proof in the pudding that he's lying, is that if what he was saying was true there is no way he'd have come here. Would he have left Celtic for Watford or Norwich? That's what he's implying we were before he arrived.

 

I really hope Top sees those comments for what they are. I think Rodgers has underperformed all season anyway but to reframe the club to save your own back. Absolutely ridiculous and I cannot believe people swallow it. It's annoyed me more than the game and the game was a disgrace in itself.

Likewise! I would also add that we would not have pulled the trigger on Puel when we did either if we were "just happy to stay in the league".

Edited 9 May 2022 by BenTheFox

[gurru991]

I don't mind Brendan staying but I would like to see a Top Class defensive coach brought in to sort out our terrible D. 

 

[Fox92]

9 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Likewise! I would also add that we would not have pulled the trigger on Puel when we did either if we were "just happy to stay in the league".

Quite right, considering Puel was the first manager since O'Neill to not have us in a relegation battle (in the Premier League era).

[Milo]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Quite right, considering Puel was the first manager since O'Neill to not have us in a relegation battle (in the Premier League era).

Huh?

[trabuch]

5 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

I don't mind Brendan staying but I would like to see a Top Class defensive coach brought in to sort out our terrible D. 

 

If he pays for them out of his massive wages

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Milo said:

Huh?

We went up with Pearson and spent most of the season in the bottom 3. Ranieri's second season saw us in a relegation battle. Shakespeare had us in the bottom 3 before Puel came in and stabled us. Puel was sacked when we were mid table, he never had us lower than about 12th.

[gurru991]

Just now, trabuch said:

If he pays for them out of his massive wages

We all know that ain't happening !!

[BenTheFox]

6 minutes ago, Milo said:

Huh?

He's right...

Taylor - had us in a relegation battle
Micky Adams - Managed us a difficult time but we were relegated
Pearson  - Great Escape Season (obviously in a relegation battle)

Ranieri - Second season we were in a relegation battle

Shakespeare - took over when we were in a relegation battle and was sacked with us in the bottom three (granted he only had eight games and a tough fixture list)

 

I think we were heading towards a dark place at the end of Puel's tenure but we were 11th on 35 points with ten league games remaining when he was sacked. 

Edited 9 May 2022 by BenTheFox

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, gurru991 said:

We all know that ain't happening !!

Why would he do that.

[Milo]

8 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We went up with Pearson and spent most of the season in the bottom 3. Ranieri's second season saw us in a relegation battle. Shakespeare had us in the bottom 3 before Puel came in and stabled us. Puel was sacked when we were mid table, he never had us lower than about 12th.

Ah

 

 

[trabuch]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Why would he do that.

The implication was that a manager who commands such a high wage really ought to be able to coach a team to defend corners.

[gurru991]

1 minute ago, trabuch said:

The implication was that a manager who commands such a high wage really ought to be able to coach a team to defend corners.

I think the implication may have been a touch too subtle !!

 

The stats speak for themselves though. Brendan don't do corners !!!