PROVIDE YOUR THOUGHTS ON SINGING SECTION TRIALS

[Tommy G]

27 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

Calling a disabled person a m0ngie and calling the majority of our fan base m0ngies are two very different things.

 

Let’s focus on what happened today. M0ngies attached to a seat threw their toys out the pram

You can’t even construct an argument properly and then use the term again? Baffles me, that’s the last time I’ll converse with you. 

[Buzzell]

I will repeat this again. It’s the way the club have handled this situation that makes it looks like UFS are to blame. It wouldn’t of been hard for the club to set up a meeting with people in SK1 and put the singing section up for debate. Instead they are telling people to suck it and move or stay where you are, risking not even being able to keep your seat in an environment that they might possibly will have to stand all game. 
 

With regards to the harassment that anybody received from this situation, that is out of order but I’m not surprised because there’s a lot of pissed off fans now having to move from an area that they love. Atmosphere today was great but I wouldn’t just credit UFS for it. The football in the second half was great. The football we watch is what gets everyone going, but UFS do play a massive part into trying to get the atmosphere going throughout the whole game and I can see that expanding there area for others to join, stand and sing will no doubt improve the atmosphere around the ground.

Edited 22 May 2022 by buzzer_b

[Dames]

4 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Don’t know where to start with this  

 

Firstly I haven’t called anyone anything nearly that derogatory, and this is the exact point. Do I think it’s weird to be attached to a seat at football? Absolutely, but I, and none of the members of Union FS whose FoxesTalk accounts I know of, have made any aggressive or derogatory insults to those not willing to stand. What you’re referring to is a bunch of lads on social media who likely won’t even be regularly ‘seated’ in SK1 next season, they’re likely in many cases on the wind-up. 
 

The second point is just gobsmacking given the reports of abuse (ACTUALLY in the ground and based in reality I may add) a group who wanted to best accommodate current SK1 ST holders by waiting until the ground expansion. We can argue all day about WUMs online but the fact is the only abuse in person was by people a little bit too angry about a seat move. 

I never said you said anything derogatory and i didnt mean it to come across that way but the point was that you even said in your post that about it being only a seat and my point is that you wont win those guys over by dismissing their concerns, they might be stupid to you and a lot of other people but lets say in a years time the club decide to boot all the singers out of sk1 you’ll end up as annoyed as the people who are annoyed today. 
 

I mean with your second point you can try to take the high ground all you like but the actual reality is that this section has attracted huge interest from a certain section of fans and they are not giving off the best image of the section right now whether its online or in person, both are equally valid in the modern age. If it keeps up and the club get wind of it they’ll shut the singing section down very quickly as its easy for them to return to the status quo rather than deal with constant complaints. 

[MiDuck55]

24 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

Most of people surveyed are in favour of the singing section. The minority are the ones who have spat there dummy’s out over having to relocate 

94% of the people surveyed did not respond at all!

Its a myth ( or you could say complete fabrication ) that the majority are in favour.

[Lcfc82]

4 minutes ago, MiDuck55 said:

94% of the people surveyed did not respond at all!

Its a myth ( or you could say complete fabrication ) that the majority are in favour.

If people didn’t bother to respond then how bothered are they ? If you were against it you respond to the survey 

[walkerleeds]

6 minutes ago, MiDuck55 said:

94% of the people surveyed did not respond at all!

Its a myth ( or you could say complete fabrication ) that the majority are in favour.

 

Works both ways mi duck.

[Finnaldo]

23 minutes ago, Dames said:

I mean with your second point you can try to take the high ground all you like but the actual reality is that this section has attracted huge interest from a certain section of fans and they are not giving off the best image of the section right now whether its online or in person, both are equally valid in the modern age. If it keeps up and the club get wind of it they’ll shut the singing section down very quickly as its easy for them to return to the status quo rather than deal with constant complaints. 

The ‘actual’ reality seems to be this: 

 

33 minutes ago, gonnabeblueforever said:

people throwing abuse around towards others. What I did manage to grasp is that some individuals haven’t fully understood what is happening and seem to think UFS are having the whole section.
 

…I understand some people are upset because they have had the same seat for some time but that is no reason to be abusive.

But to be a bit more accommodating: yes, it will certainly attracts WUMs online and it will attract interest from the more laddish parts of the support base, but that’s exactly why the campaigning was for it to be on the opposite end of the ground from the away end. The implicit objectives from the club and the main group that have campaigned for a singing section for years is to get behind the lads and make the atmosphere as good as it can be. Between the club’s outline and, you’d assume, some internal policing then any outwardly aggressive behaviour will likely be dealt with before it becomes an issue.

 

If folk are genuinely unaware and concerned, then the club has several channels of communication (which probably should’ve been yielded better initially) and Union FS are available on most social media platforms to talk about it, but given some of the reactions (and banners) I assume some are intentionally ignorant if not bitter.

Edited 22 May 2022 by Finnaldo

[Lcfc098]

To all the blue mongies who were throwing abuse at the lads in the UFS section: You can all p**s off to the west stand with your prawn sandwiches. For all the stick the people who are in favour of the section receive, the ones who aren’t definitely seem like they’ve thrown their toys out of the pram and then try to take the moral high ground 🤣One bloke next to me (in his early 50’s) seemed as if he had taken something before the game constantly mumbling to himself “shut the fu** up you cu**s” to the point his son had to physically place his hand on his dads face. Let’s face it, in a years time, the section will be going strong and no one is going to remember your little hissy fits when you’re all sitting in a different seat 👍

[smudger63]

25 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Don’t know where to start with this  

 

Firstly I haven’t called anyone anything nearly that derogatory, and this is the exact point. Do I think it’s weird to be attached to a seat at football? Absolutely, but I, and none of the members of Union FS whose FoxesTalk accounts I know of, have made any aggressive or derogatory insults to those not willing to stand. What you’re referring to is a bunch of lads on social media who likely won’t even be regularly ‘seated’ in SK1 next season, they’re likely in many cases on the wind-up. 
 

The second point is just gobsmacking given the reports of abuse (ACTUALLY in the ground and based in reality I may add) a group who wanted to best accommodate current SK1 ST holders by waiting until the ground expansion. We can argue all day about WUMs online but the fact is the only abuse in person was by people a little bit too angry about a seat move. 
 

Firstly mate, politely as I can, no one cares and it does not make you special I’m afraid. 
 

Secondly, why were they directing abuse at fellow fans then? 
 

This isn’t really going anywhere but I will say that I hope those that genuinely have concerns and have come on requesting assistance receive it, if you’re just mardy at lads wanting to get behind the team then I hope you manage to overcome your inferiority complex or whatever malaise gets you so worked up about it. 

The point is alot of those fans will have been in those seats for years, and struck up match day friendships with people around them.  If they move then they will probably not have those same fans around them. Does it matter, maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but i can see why they would be put out.

It`s like the union fs guys being told that they can`t stand together anymore, and will have to spread to different parts of the stadium, because someone else wants to use their space, i would expect them rightly to feel annoyed too. 

 

 

[Ian Nacho]

We were in League One 13 years ago. 

[Lcfc098]

3 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

The point is alot of those fans will have been in those seats for years, and struck up match day friendships with people around them.  If they move then they will probably not have those same fans around them. Does it matter, maybe not in the grand scheme of things, but i can see why they would be put out.

It`s like the union fs guys being told that they can`t stand together anymore, and will have to spread to different parts of the stadium, because someone else wants to use their space, i would expect them rightly to feel annoyed too. 

 

 

If they’re such close friends, meet outside the stadium 

[Tommy G]

5 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

To all the blue mongies who were throwing abuse at the lads in the UFS section: You can all p**s off to the west stand with your prawn sandwiches. For all the stick the people who are in favour of the section receive, the ones who aren’t definitely seem like they’ve thrown their toys out of the pram and then try to take the moral high ground 🤣One bloke next to me (in his early 50’s) seemed as if he had taken something before the game constantly mumbling to himself “shut the fu** up you cu**s” to the point his son had to physically place his hand on his dads face. Let’s face it, in a years time, the section will be going strong and no one is going to remember your little hissy fits when you’re all sitting in a different seat 👍

And you wonder why UFS rightly or wrongly get stick when you get posts like this. 

[adam]

7 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

To all the blue mongies who were throwing abuse at the lads in the UFS section: You can all p**s off to the west stand with your prawn sandwiches. For all the stick the people who are in favour of the section receive, the ones who aren’t definitely seem like they’ve thrown their toys out of the pram and then try to take the moral high ground 🤣One bloke next to me (in his early 50’s) seemed as if he had taken something before the game constantly mumbling to himself “shut the fu** up you cu**s” to the point his son had to physically place his hand on his dads face. Let’s face it, in a years time, the section will be going strong and no one is going to remember your little hissy fits when you’re all sitting in a different seat 👍

Calling people blue mongies then you type this shite out. Get a grip 

[Lcfc098]

Just now, adam said:

Calling people blue mongies then you type this shite out. Get a grip 

Yeah because calling them “wa*kers and c**ts” in person is any better?

[K1FOX]

53 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

You can’t even construct an argument properly and then use the term again? Baffles me, that’s the last time I’ll converse with you. 

I’m so disappointed. See you in the section next season 

[Buzzell]

31 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

If people didn’t bother to respond then how bothered are they ? If you were against it you respond to the survey 

I never received an email regarding any singing section and I now sit inside of it.

[grobyfox1990]

27 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

We were in League One 13 years ago. 

The kermogant incident was 12 years ago 

[K1FOX]

24 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

And you wonder why UFS rightly or wrongly get stick when you get posts like this. 

Nothing wrong with the post lad. He’s clearly said ‘those who were throwing abuse’.

[smudger63]

7 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

If they’re such close friends, meet outside the stadium 

First of all, some might do for all i know, but so what if they dont, maybe they have other lives away from the football that mean they cant socialise outside of the city games.

You also neglected to answer the point I made about if the club told the union fs, they couldn't stand together anymore, because someone else wanted to take their area over, and so they would have to be dispersed around to other parts of the stadium.

  I expect they would feel mightily pissed off, and I would completely understand that they would feel that way. So I can also totally understand why some fans who are feeling like they are being forced into that themselves at the moment are currently pissed off themselves 

[Buzzell]

32 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

If they’re such close friends, meet outside the stadium 

You don’t get his point.

[Lcfc098]

4 minutes ago, smudger63 said:

First of all, some might do for all i know, but so what if they dont, maybe they have other lives away from the football that mean they cant socialise outside of the city games.

You also neglected to answer the point I made about if the club told the union fs, they couldn't stand together anymore, because someone else wanted to take their area over, and so they would have to be dispersed around to other parts of the stadium.

  I expect they would feel mightily pissed off, and I would completely understand that they would feel that way. So I can also totally understand why some fans who are feeling like they are being forced into that themselves at the moment are currently pissed off themselves 

If the reason for moving them was positively impacting an issue the club obviously has such as the atmosphere, then yes, I’m sure UFS wouldn’t have a problem with it. The difference here is you’re all throwing a strop because you can’t sit with your happy clappers for 90 mins around your mates.

[walkerleeds]

34 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

And you wonder why UFS rightly or wrongly get stick when you get posts like this. 

 

What has that post got to do with UFS exactly?

[Jackubu]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

I don’t think a banner will do much difference, the decision has been made and clearly it’s a mixed reaction. 
 

What I do think is offensive is some idiot posing with the banner, upside down - he’s such a coward he’s pulled his hood over his head. “Blue mongies blah blah”
 

I think the term m0ng is disgusting and banded round this site and in general - and as someone who’s son has learning difficulties I dread to think what world he will grow up in - with these people without an ounce of intelligence before opening their mouth. 
 

Liam McNulty - a well known and loved member of this site and LCFC community who was disabled and autistic, was he a m0ng too? 
 

Wind your necks in

Don't find that banner upside down offensive personally. I've been up there for 13 years and been threatened numerous times. Today felt like a vindication 

[Tommy G]

Just now, Jackubu said:

Don't find that banner upside down offensive personally. I've been up there for 13 years and been threatened numerous times. Today felt like a vindication 

Couldn’t care less about it being upside down, my main point was about fans being called m0ngs. 
 

If the kid that did it was so brazen he should of at least posted it with confidence and not with his hood like Kenny off South Park. 
 

And who has threatened you? 

[smudger63]

6 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

If the reason for moving them was positively impacting an issue the club obviously has such as the atmosphere, then yes, I’m sure UFS wouldn’t have a problem with it. The difference here is you’re all throwing a strop because you can’t sit with your happy clappers for 90 mins around your mates.

I don't sit there anyway, but I maintain that you and union fs guys would also be throwing a strop if they couldn't carry on being at games with their mates as well.