Recruitment strategy under the spotlight

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

When have we ever done well late in a window? 

We aren't even currently late in the window. 

[Ric Flair]

22 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I await the concrete evidence to prove it then. 
 

I mean, people could actually moan about the shite we know is true like him saying set pieces weren’t a problem to start with, rather than stuff like this. 

It's fascinating that you are willing to recite chapter and verse about one comment Rodgers made about us having a set piece coach, but then question when we're we promised a rebuild when Rodgers has made similar conflicting comments but has definitely said there would be a rebuild at least once.

 

The Leicester Mercury even tried to enquire who the specialist set piece coach was and couldn't find one. There is an analyst who looks at set pieces off the field but as I've said to you, there are a few people who know the in's and outs of what happens at Seagrave and they've never seen this mysterious set piece coach on the training field, so where does he train them? 

[chapero82]

Just now, Babylon said:

We aren't even currently late in the window. 

And we still haven’t signed or close to signing anyone yet. We usually do our business pretty early 

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Don’t you see anything in a football club identifying targets and securing them early so that they can have a proper pre season?

I’ve always thought that to be the better way of doing it. 
I like what Gerrard has done at Villa in this respect and what Pep has done at Man City. No messing about, they’ve got who they want in.

We don’t do this very well anymore, with last summer proving a disaster in this respect.

I'd wait and see, Villa did great business last season according to most in here, were did they finish again? 

[Babylon]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Don’t you see anything in a football club identifying targets and securing them early so that they can have a proper pre season?

I’ve always thought that to be the better way of doing it. 
I like what Gerrard has done at Villa in this respect and what Pep has done at Man City. No messing about, they’ve got who they want in.

We don’t do this very well anymore, with last summer proving a disaster in this respect.

It's got little to do with being good at it. We were told, by a trusted source in John Percy that we needed to shift players before we can buy back in Feb / March. This is a direct cause of previously pushing the boat out amongst other things. 

 

In an ideal world you want it doing early, but it's not an ideal world. Players who aren't wanted are going to be difficult to shift, players coming to the ends of their contracts might also be similarly difficult as people will try and get them cheap.

[Finnegan]

13 minutes ago, Babylon said:

People have lost their minds, we still have 7 weeks to sign players. 

 

People are obviously over reacting, it's the Internet. But I think at this point "lost their minds" is equally hyperbole. 

 

We've obviously arrived at a point where the situation is concerning and clearly we do have a problem. 

 

Being dismissive of it and acting like there's ages til the season starts is a bit naive. The first game is in three weeks. 

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It's fascinating that you are willing to recite chapter and verse about one comment Rodgers made about us having a set piece coach, but then question when we're we promised a rebuild when Rodgers has made similar conflicting comments but has definitely said there would be a rebuild at least once.

It's not really that fascinating, I didn't deny Rodgers said he would look to do a rebuild. Just the premise one was promised. 

[coolhandfox]

I heard it all now......

 

'We were promised'

 

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

People are obviously over reacting, it's the Internet. But I think at this point "lost their minds" is equally hyperbole. 

 

We've obviously arrived at a point where the situation is concerning and clearly we do have a problem. 

 

Being dismissive of it and acting like there's ages til the season starts is a bit naive. The first game is in three weeks. 

Yes calling the manager a liar is perfectly reasonable behaviour. 

 

Who said there wasn't an issue? I've been saying for months we'd been told enough that we needed to sell to buy. So having not sold anyone, it's not exactly a shock we haven't signed anyone. 

 

Who acted like the season isn't in three weeks? I said the window shuts in 7 weeks, it does. 

Edited 15 July 2022 by Babylon

[sdb]

TC massively underrated here. Be a big loss and absolute kick in the nuts given the deadwood we're accumulating 

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Yes calling the manager a liar is perfectly reasonable behaviour. 

 

Who said there wasn't an issue?

 

Who acted like the season isn't in three weeks? I said the window shuts in 7 weeks, it does. 

 

[Ric Flair]

https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/01/brendan-rodgers-lying-game/

[Ric Flair]

https://medium.com/@HendersonToDeliver/the-outrage-over-brendan-rodgers-is-ridiculous-and-false-3ca5f33a60ac

[coolhandfox]

Some right hate boners going on here.

 

It's football, it's not that deep.

[Ric Flair]

https://www.football365.com/news/luis-suarez-brendan-rodgers-liars-liverpool-steven-gerrard-texts

[NasPb]

37 minutes ago, Babylon said:

People have lost their minds, we still have 7 weeks to sign players. 

Even if we had 10 months i wouldn't trust our current lot to do the slightest thing right after bertrand and Vestergaard... Probably wait till last minute 

[Fox92]

45 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I don't think we were promised anything, I think Rodgers just said that's what he felt the squad needed. 

As you know, I'll back Rodgers when I feel he deserves it but he said he was preparing for a "shake up".

 

If we weren't in a position to do this, and I know there's a lot of time left yet, then he shouldn't have said it. You can't say things, as a manager, especially in public and then not do it.

Edited 15 July 2022 by Fox92

[SafewayFox]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Agreed

Castagne is one of the players at the club I definitely would not want to be sold.

The problem is, I still maintain, we have a very able first team. But then we have many ‘squad players’ who other teams just don’t want. Why? Because they ain’t much good:

Choudry, Amartey, Vestergaard, Bertrand,  Perez, Soumare, Mendy

None of these have got clubs queuing to submit offers and I fear they’ll pretty much all leave the club on free transfers when their contract ends.

I hope I’m wrong as the club needs funds for the transfer kitty, but I think what with their level and ability and their wages, we’re stuck with them

Spot on…Timmy right now is our best/most rounded FB.

 

I honestly can’t see Ricky ever playing 30+ games a season.

 

Sadly he gives me Essien vibes who was a shell of himself after his similar injury.

[filbertway]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Well it’s the best source of info we have currently on the subject. So if people are going to moan about not having one and totally ignore the manager when he says we brought one

in…. I give in. 

 

Hahaha, I love that you refuse to acknowledge that he's pulled the wool over your eyes. Rodgers who absolutely loves praising people and bigging himself up all of a sudden says he had a set peice coach at the club already (despite a week or two previously being confident that set peices were not an issue for the club)

 

Even ringing around contacts at the club, Blackwell couldn't find anyone and the best guess what that it's a lad from the analyst team haha. I know you'll never accept you're wrong but this is about as close as I and other can get.

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-offensive-tops-gesture-6170070

 

After the conceded goals, and with the rise of set-piece coaches, it was put to Rodgers whether he would be open to having one at City. He replied by saying they already had one.

 

Putting calls in, no names have yet cropped up as to who this mystery specialist is, unless Rodgers was referring to first-team analyst named Matthew Edge, who has a focus on set-pieces as part of his job role.

 

[Babylon]

7 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

Hahaha, I love that you refuse to acknowledge that he's pulled the wool over your eyes. Rodgers who absolutely loves praising people and bigging himself up all of a sudden says he had a set peice coach at the club already (despite a week or two previously being confident that set peices were not an issue for the club)

 

Even ringing around contacts at the club, Blackwell couldn't find anyone and the best guess what that it's a lad from the analyst team haha. I know you'll never accept you're wrong but this is about as close as I and other can get.

 

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-offensive-tops-gesture-6170070

 

After the conceded goals, and with the rise of set-piece coaches, it was put to Rodgers whether he would be open to having one at City. He replied by saying they already had one.

 

Putting calls in, no names have yet cropped up as to who this mystery specialist is, unless Rodgers was referring to first-team analyst named Matthew Edge, who has a focus on set-pieces as part of his job role.

 

What are you on about. Why would I admit I'm wrong, when all I've done is state he said we had one and NOBODY has been able to prove we didn't. 

 

I love your refusal to accept you don't know the inner workings of the club and that a Mercury reporting not being able to find out any details is some how a smoking gun. 

 

Just like everyone else on here I don't have a clue what did or didn't happen. 

Edited 15 July 2022 by Babylon

[Scotch]

14 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

But those facts don't fit the narrative. I find it strange that you've got fans of the club determined to stick their manager up as a liar. It's odd behaviour, reading into everything and twisting things, especially when, like you say, there's no evidence for or against what he's said, as far as we know. 

 

Some just refuse to take his word for what it is. One thing I've always liked about BR is that he'll give fans insight in the media and explain things, others seem to hate it and refuse to believe what he's saying. I find it much easier to understand him than say someone like Pearson, who just used to give vague answers when sometimes you'd want some idea of what was actually going on, or the thinking behind decisions and processes etc.  

It's not that anyone wants to "stick him up as a liar" but more so that he's told proven lies in the past (admittedly, at other clubs) so when he claims that there is a specialist set piece coach at the club and NOBODY could tell you who it is as he's never been saw or heard of, it isn't too far of a jump to conclude that he's talking sh!te, or at the very least bending the truth and in fact referring to the analyst Mathew Edge who we know is tasked with focusing on that area of play from reporters and ex players. 

[JimmyC74]

There has been a growing erosion of faith in Brendan which in part has been driven by performances / results but more so, some of his statements / failure to address inadequacies in the set-up. He doesn’t help himself.

 

I think a growing section of fans see us slipping from a club pushing for Europe and becoming a middle ranked team. You can see that if the start to the season is slow that Brendan will increasingly come under pressure.

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 July 2022 by JimmyC74

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Scotch said:

It's not that anyone wants to "stick him up as a liar" but more so that he's told proven lies in the past (admittedly, at other clubs) so when he claims that there is a specialist set piece coach at the club and NOBODY could tell you who it is as he's never been saw or heard of, it isn't too far of a jump to conclude that he's talking sh!te, or at the very least bending the truth and in fact referring to the analyst Mathew Edge who we know is tasked with focusing on that area of play from reporters and ex players. 

Are we talking about Ric's "evidence" of lies here. As the best we've got is Andy Carrol saying he lied about him playing a game when he didn't. In which case every manager in the world is a liar.

 

When you say "nobody", you make it sound like there has been some in depth investigation. A Mercury reporter (the same paper constantly derided as not knowing a jot about the club anymore on here), says they called a few people, then GUESSED it was Edge.

[Babylon]

Just now, JimmyC74 said:

There has been a growing erosion of faith in Brendan which in part has been driven by performances / results but more so, some of his statements / failure to address inadequacies in the set-up. I He doesn’t help himself.

 

I think a growing section of fans see us slipping from a club pushing for Europe and becoming a middle ranked team. You can see that if the start to the season is slow that Brendan will increasingly come under pressure.

Now I can fully agree with the first part.

[GingerrrFox]

Next summer will allow us to get our ducks back in order. We’ve let the wage bill get out of hand and hopefully the club (more rather those in positions of power) will learn from mistakes that we’ve made in the past 2-3 years, I will say however that it also requires the fans to be more understanding of how a club like ours becomes successful.

 

Our fans in recent years have become adverse to selling players of value, we can only keep a few players on big money and build the team around them, the rest have to be smart investments and concentrate on signing young players before they outgrow us (which has happened with players such as CDK in recent times). Fans have to understand that eventually certain players will be sold, not because the club particularly want to but they kick start the next player cycle.

 

Unfortunately it’s how clubs like ours are able to compete against the financial might of other clubs. We’ve got in this situation because we’ve tried to keep players by inflating wages and it’s not sustainable.