Recruitment strategy under the spotlight

[Guest Col city fan]

1 hour ago, themightyfin said:

I know I have some wrong but that's not mine 

Or the ‘don’t worry Kante’s not going to Chelsea’?

🤷‍♂️

[filbertway]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

What are you on about. Why would I admit I'm wrong, when all I've done is state he said we had one and NOBODY has been able to prove we didn't. 

 

I love your refusal to accept you don't know the inner workings of the club and that a Mercury reporting not being able to find out any details is some how a smoking gun. 

 

Just like everyone else on here I don't have a clue what did or didn't happen. 

Taking things at face value when it suits, but then saying that all managers bend the truth when it doesn't.

 

You're right I can't prove it. I can however, apply a tiny little bit of critical thinking and draw a fair conclusion that he's made out that he's hired a specilist coach to help out, when it sounds like it's just one of the lads from the analytics team.

 

I assume you believed Boris Johnson when he said he didn't realise he was breaking any rules, or conventiently that he doesn't remember saying or doing something

 

 

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

It was always a problem but Robert Huth was an excellent defensive marshal and covered a lot of those aspects. Having taller players helped mask the issue but its always been there. 

Either way you’re still deflecting from the point. Stowell has had 10 years to work with Kasper, why are the same weaknesses

he had 10 years ago evident today? Its only fair to question it. 

For the same reason Jamie Vardy can't curl in a ball from 35 yards on a regular basis, despite being coached.

For the same reason Ndidi can't pass particularly well, despite being coached.

For the same season Vestergaard can't run the 100m in under 35 seconds, despite being coached. 

For the same reason Tielemans looks like he's running through treacle, despite being coached. 

 

Players have not only physical limitations, but skills ones also. They are also tasked with doing certain things that either exacerbate or reduce faults within game by managers, that has nothing to do with someone like Stowell. If Kasper is TOLD to take risky kicks to a certain part of the pitch, with a high degree of risk, it's going to make him look worse. If he's surrounded by small players, it's going to make him look worse. If Vestergaard is told to play in a high line, it's going to make him look worse. etc. 

 

We've been through all of this nonsense with Stowell before, won two leagues, an FA Cup, got to Champions league quarters etc. We do so by creating a unit that works, not by creating one that is going to highlight weaknesses, that no amount of coaching is likely to change. 

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Taking things at face value when it suits, but then saying that all managers bend the truth when it doesn't.

 

You're right I can't prove it. I can however, apply a tiny little bit of critical thinking and draw a fair conclusion that he's made out that he's hired a specilist coach to help out, when it sounds like it's just one of the lads from the analytics team.

 

I assume you believed Boris Johnson when he said he didn't realise he was breaking any rules, or conventiently that he doesn't remember saying or doing something

There is a rather large difference between bizarre outright lies like you're suggesting, and a manager APPARENTLY saying a player will play, and then they don't. 

 

There was ACTUAL evidence to prove he broke the rules. If you can provide evidence then let's talk.

Edited 15 July 2022 by Babylon

[filbertway]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

There is a rather large difference between bizarre outright lies like you're suggesting, and a manager APPARENTLY saying a player will play, and then they don't. 

 

There was ACTUAL evidence to prove he broke the rules. If you can provide evidence then let's talk.

It's tough to prove the existance of an imaginary coach. The best I can do is this.

 

I went onto google

I type in Leicester set piece specialist - nobody is mentioned.

I type in Man City set piece specilist - Carlos Vicens

i type in Spurs set piece specilist - Gianni Vio

I type in Arsenal set piece specialist - Nicolas Jover

I type in Brentford set piece specilist - Bernardo Cueva

 

Is abense of proof of a set piece specilist enough, when all other clubs who claim to have one can actually prove they have one?

 

Come on man, gimme this  It's a friday afternoon, i'm trying my hardest to fairly argue the case. All you've given me so far is, this isn't a verbatim quote... "Brendan said it, so unless you can disprove this then you're wrong to assume he made it up"

 

 

 

[Dames]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

For the same reason Jamie Vardy can't curl in a ball from 35 yards on a regular basis, despite being coached.

For the same reason Ndidi can't pass particularly well, despite being coached.

For the same season Vestergaard can't run the 100m in under 35 seconds, despite being coached. 

For the same reason Tielemans looks like he's running through treacle, despite being coached. 

 

Players have not only physical limitations, but skills ones also. They are also tasked with doing certain things that either exacerbate or reduce faults within game by managers, that has nothing to do with someone like Stowell. If Kasper is TOLD to take risky kicks to a certain part of the pitch, with a high degree of risk, it's going to make him look worse. If he's surrounded by small players, it's going to make him look worse. If Vestergaard is told to play in a high line, it's going to make him look worse. etc. 

 

We've been through all of this nonsense with Stowell before, won two leagues, an FA Cup, got to Champions league quarters etc. We do so by creating a unit that works, not by creating one that is going to highlight weaknesses, that no amount of coaching is likely to change. 

A lot of examples you gave there were based on chance or physical limitations that cannot be coached. I’ll give you the N’didi example which should have been picked up on by now. 
 

Command of the area is an aspect of keeping that can be coached, it doesn't require any luck or chance, Kasper isn’t physically limited (if he was 5’6 you might have an argument but he’s not). Its quite simple, in certain situations you go and control the area, take charge, claim the ball it can be replicated in training fairly easily too. 

[Babylon]

56 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It's tough to prove the existance of an imaginary coach. The best I can do is this.

 

I went onto google

I type in Leicester set piece specialist - nobody is mentioned.

I type in Man City set piece specilist - Carlos Vicens

i type in Spurs set piece specilist - Gianni Vio

I type in Arsenal set piece specialist - Nicolas Jover

I type in Brentford set piece specilist - Bernardo Cueva

 

Is abense of proof of a set piece specilist enough, when all other clubs who claim to have one can actually prove they have one?

 

Come on man, gimme this  It's a friday afternoon, i'm trying my hardest to fairly argue the case. All you've given me so far is, this isn't a verbatim quote... "Brendan said it, so unless you can disprove this then you're wrong to assume he made it up"

 

 

 

So no evidence then he’s lying.

[Babylon]

54 minutes ago, Dames said:

A lot of examples you gave there were based on chance or physical limitations that cannot be coached. I’ll give you the N’didi example which should have been picked up on by now. 
 

Command of the area is an aspect of keeping that can be coached, it doesn't require any luck or chance, Kasper isn’t physically limited (if he was 5’6 you might have an argument but he’s not). Its quite simple, in certain situations you go and control the area, take charge, claim the ball it can be replicated in training fairly easily too. 

Kasper is one of the smaller keepers. Smaller keepers tend to not dominate their box as much, ditto aging keepers. He’s both. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, Babylon said:

So no evidence then he’s lying.

We haven't got a specialist set piece coach and we've been trying to recruit one this summer.

 

Sorry to break this to you.

[Babylon]

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

We haven't got a specialist set piece coach and we've been trying to recruit one this summer.

 

Sorry to break this to you.

The manager said we did. So go and tell it to him.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, Babylon said:

The manager said we did. So go and tell it to him.

No he didn't. He did not say we had a specialist.

[themightyfin]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

Or the ‘don’t worry Kante’s not going to Chelsea’?

🤷‍♂️

Yes you got me there! 

[EnderbyFox]

This Babylon Vs Choccy Teapot argument is the highlight of our summer refresh so far, good work lads

[FoxinNotts]

Honestly, I think I’m gonna have to stop off this forum for a bit. The amount of worried, negative, impatient, cup-half-empty Melts on here is unbelievable. 

[Babylon]

4 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

No he didn't. He did not say we had a specialist.

He was specifically asked about adding a set piece coach. 
 

That reads as someone coming in and offering advice. Not a person we already had.

 

The mercury then said they tried to find out who that was, without any luck. They did so because that’s what he alluded to. 

 

 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

This Babylon Vs Choccy Teapot argument is the highlight of our summer refresh so far, good work lads

Here to please.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Just now, Babylon said:

He was specifically asked about adding a set piece coach. 
 

That reads as someone coming in and offering advice. Not a person we already had.

 

The mercury then said they tried to find out who that was, without any luck. They did so because that’s what he alluded to. 

 

 

Yep we have specialist coaches eg - Jack the stats guy, Stowell the gk coach.

 

The mercury tried to find out who it was and realised it was Stowell. Rodgers is actually trying to undermine him when he said it.

[volpeazzurro]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He was specifically asked about adding a set piece coach. 
 

That reads as someone coming in and offering advice. Not a person we already had.

 

The mercury then said they tried to find out who that was, without any luck. They did so because that’s what he alluded to. 

 

 

If this specialist really exists, then I suggest they try a new one that's all. 😁

[Babylon]

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

Yep we have specialist coaches eg - Jack the stats guy, Stowell the gk coach.

 

The mercury tried to find out who it was and realised it was Stowell. Rodgers is actually trying to undermine him when he said it.

Ha the mercury guessed it was Edge not Stowell. 

[Babylon]

Just now, volpeazzurro said:

If this specialist really exists, then I suggest they try a new one that's all. 😁

I would guess from the wording that it was more of a consultant, few days job. Hence the “gave”, not gives or giving. 
 

Anyway. Bored of this shite, he said it, not me. Whine to him about it. (Not you).

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Ha the mercury guessed it was Edge not Stowell. 

Hes an analyst not a specialist 

[The People's Hero]

The bizarre thing about the set piece fiasco is that despite how poor we are at defending them, we are also big fans of needlessly giving away corners and free kicks in dangerous areas. If a player is ever looking to buy a foul by someone lunging in when they can't win the ball; we are all in. 

 

The club is clearly quite well run in lots of ways but the set piece thing genuinely has me scratching my head.

 

The rumoured £78k p/w for Bertrand also makes me want to be sick a little bit.

[honeybradger]

5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Don’t you see anything in a football club identifying targets and securing them early so that they can have a proper pre season?

I’ve always thought that to be the better way of doing it. 
I like what Gerrard has done at Villa in this respect and what Pep has done at Man City. No messing about, they’ve got who they want in.

We don’t do this very well anymore, with last summer proving a disaster in this respect.

Honestly I think there's something in bringing in players when they've already had a full preseason/a couple games with their previous club.

 

Getting ready for the new season is enough of a hassle as it is, trying to settle into your old routine of playing games whilst adapting to a new setup seems to actually be quite difficult. Also I dont think preparing for a few weeks under their new manager is worth as much as people think it is, new transfers still seem to have an adjustment period even if they're brought in early such as soumare.

 

Bringing in players like Fofana or Ruben Dias when theyve already moved into gear under a familiar setup seems to actually be an effective way to go about things. January signings also seem to tend to adjust quicker than summer signings despite not having a pre season.

[Babylon]

9 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hes an analyst not a specialist 

And they just guessed.

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Was it a problem when we won the league? Or just when the people running recruitment filled the team with smaller technical players?

Sorry to jump in, but Kasper style of play has massively changed as the statistics relate to a massive drop off in commanding his box since the Title winning year, 

 

Also the season before we signed Vesterguard he was in the top 20 for headed clearances, yet as noted on here people seem to think he can’t jump.

Nerves? Coaching? GK confidence?

It’s actually unfortunate Nuno got pumped from Spurs as they were heavily linked to Vestergaurd in July last year.