Recruitment strategy under the spotlight

[JimmyC74]

16 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still more perturbed by there being no changes to the coaching set up and no drastic changes to personnel when it comes to set pieces. We are so ignorant or arrogant to this. Almost every PL club worth their salt now have a set piece specialist coach and many of them have come in in recent years and there's been drastic improvement.

 

No doubt there'll be the usual suspects along to stick up for the club and Brendan on why we've not bothered but there really is no excuses for this.

Does seem short-sighted, with the potential wage surely a fraction of a new player and invites pressure should we continue to concede once the season begins.

[Dahnsouff]

34 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still more perturbed by there being no changes to the coaching set up and no drastic changes to personnel when it comes to set pieces. We are so ignorant or arrogant to this. Almost every PL club worth their salt now have a set piece specialist coach and many of them have come in in recent years and there's been drastic improvement.

 

No doubt there'll be the usual suspects along to stick up for the club and Brendan on why we've not bothered but there really is no excuses for this.

We need a set piece coach, no argument from me.

[Long Eaton Fox]

"the new players who come in" would suggest that BR is expecting new arrivals here shortly after reading LM's interview with him.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

"the new players who come in" would suggest that BR is expecting new arrivals here shortly after reading LM's interview with him.

I interpreted it as him talking generally about the purpose of the training camps and the fact that "the new players who [have] come in" over the past two years haven't been able to benefit from them. Also worth noting it's not a new interview or anything, they reference them as being comments he made "just before the end of last season".

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

We need a set piece coach, no argument from me.

Funnily enough the best Performing non big six club at defending set pieces last season was Wolves and they use their goalkeeping coach for the role, as do we. 

[Dahnsouff]

17 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Funnily enough the best Performing non big six club at defending set pieces last season was Wolves and they use their goalkeeping coach for the role, as do we. 

That’s interesting, and I can certainly see why as they would have plenty of experience of set pieces around the box. 

[Dames]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Funnily enough the best Performing non big six club at defending set pieces last season was Wolves and they use their goalkeeping coach for the role, as do we. 

The problem is that our goalkeeping coach isn’t particularly good at coaching goalkeepers so I doubt he’s any good at set pieces either. Especially as Kasper rarely ever comes off his line after 10 years of Stowells coaching.

 

Stowell should have been binned years ago. 

[StriderHiryu]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still more perturbed by there being no changes to the coaching set up and no drastic changes to personnel when it comes to set pieces. We are so ignorant or arrogant to this. Almost every PL club worth their salt now have a set piece specialist coach and many of them have come in in recent years and there's been drastic improvement.

 

No doubt there'll be the usual suspects along to stick up for the club and Brendan on why we've not bothered but there really is no excuses for this.

Totally agreed, this is indefensible and reeks of arrogance.

 

For less than 100K a year you could cut goals conceded from set pieces by 25-50%. The ROI on the investment would be incredible. And at that price even if the appointment doesn't work out, it's less than one week's wages of our top players. It makes the club look proactive, gets the fans onside, etc.

 

If we concede in the first game from a set piece, the resulting meltdown is justified. If we had a set piece coach and it happened, at least we could expect it to take a bit of time to have an effect and / or could put it down to a failed experiment. To not even try to address an obvious problem is ridiculous. The example from Arsenal's improvement last season is all the justification needed.

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still more perturbed by there being no changes to the coaching set up and no drastic changes to personnel when it comes to set pieces. We are so ignorant or arrogant to this. Almost every PL club worth their salt now have a set piece specialist coach and many of them have come in in recent years and there's been drastic improvement.

 

No doubt there'll be the usual suspects along to stick up for the club and Brendan on why we've not bothered but there really is no excuses for this.

He did say we already have one. A shit one by the looks of it, but we have one. 

[Ric Flair]

8 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He did say we already have one. A shit one by the looks of it, but we have one. 

We don't have a specialist set piece coach, clubs in recent years are bringing in a coach/coaches who's single expertise is set pieces. We apparently let Mike Stowell do it. That's not a problem thst it's not done by a specialist coach but in light of how abysmal we are and the new craze of employing dedicated individuals, I find it no surprise we cannot seem to fix it. We aren't taking it seriously enough.

[Bordersfox]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

He did say we already have one. A shit one by the looks of it, but we have one. 

Is this Matthew Edge?  Isn't he more of an analyst than a coach.  I'm not convinced we do have a specialist set piece coach.  

[Long Eaton Fox]

2 hours ago, Guest said:

I interpreted it as him talking generally about the purpose of the training camps and the fact that "the new players who [have] come in" over the past two years haven't been able to benefit from them. Also worth noting it's not a new interview or anything, they reference them as being comments he made "just before the end of last season".

Fair point. Think I'm just clutching at straws regarding new signings 

[nathan lavery]

BR was very clear towards the end of last season that the issue we have at set pieces is more a personnel   and profile of player issue as oppose to a tactical one.

All the more reason to have expected transfer activity off of what BR has said.

 

At this point i’m almost certain half the drivel BR comes out with is purely about deflection and self preservation and should be taken with a bucket of salt

 

piss on your back and tell you it’s raining kinda thing 

[Guest Col city fan]

24 minutes ago, nathan lavery said:

BR was very clear towards the end of last season that the issue we have at set pieces is more a personnel   and profile of player issue as oppose to a tactical one.

All the more reason to have expected transfer activity off of what BR has said.

 

At this point i’m almost certain half the drivel BR comes out with is purely about deflection and self preservation and should be taken with a bucket of salt

 

piss on your back and tell you it’s raining kinda thing 

The more I read about what Rodgers has said, and actually listen to him, the more I recognise that Brendan Rodgers is about Brendan Rodgers. 
A prime example of this is the argument that has been made by quite a few posters on here…. Namely, that we have a good enough squad and that Rodgers clearly believes he can get the most out of them….

Well this is clearly at odds with the comments he made about needing a freshening up in the summer (6/7 new faces) etc…

Both can’t be true. 
To my mind, the ONLY reason he would have said this is if everything goes tits up this season. He can then fall back on ‘well I DID say that we needed strengthening’….

He seems the type who will analyse what is likely to happen before it actually does, so he can play his get out of jail free card if/when he needs to. Conversely, if we go on to do well this season he could then say ‘well I did well without even having to bring any new faces in’.

I think he plays a game. A smart game, but a game nonetheless, which deflects blame away from himself. 

Edited 14 July 2022 by Col city fan

[Long Eaton Fox]

When we won the premiership we only had Morgan and Huth who were big and strong in the air. The rest were small. Pretty much the same as now. They were all determined though and challenged for the ball bravely. Thinks that's what BR is saying though that players need to get their head in and fight.

[Long Eaton Fox]

Think what is frustrating for most on here is that injury free we have a very good team that can challenge the top six. We need 2/3 quality additions to sustain that and take us to the next level. I think BR can do that but he needs to learn from mistakes such as late subs when things need to change and negative set ups. I guess those are quite big issues though.

[sacreblueits442]

45 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

When we won the premiership we only had Morgan and Huth who were big and strong in the air. The rest were small. Pretty much the same as now. They were all determined though and challenged for the ball bravely. Thinks that's what BR is saying though that players need to get their head in and fight.

...if the players are not capable of self motivation,  then Rodgers has cultivated a group who are mentally weak!!!

  Squads tend to be a reflection of their manager.

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

We don't have a specialist set piece coach, clubs in recent years are bringing in a coach/coaches who's single expertise is set pieces. We apparently let Mike Stowell do it. That's not a problem thst it's not done by a specialist coach but in light of how abysmal we are and the new craze of employing dedicated individuals, I find it no surprise we cannot seem to fix it. We aren't taking it seriously enough.

He literally said we did. 
 

"They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

[Sly]

6 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

When we won the premiership we only had Morgan and Huth who were big and strong in the air. The rest were small. Pretty much the same as now. They were all determined though and challenged for the ball bravely. Thinks that's what BR is saying though that players need to get their head in and fight.

We had a player profile though and tactically we setup to see games out. 
 

We invited crosses, as Huth / Morgan would dominate the air. Fuchs and Simpson narrowed the space at either post and we’re pretty decent in the air. 
 

Ulloa was used as a defensive forward as he also was strong aerially. 
 

At the moment, our player profiling has all gone a bit Tikky Takky Barcelona. Which is great, however we’re shopping in Poundland. We’ve got offensive fullbacks and we’re bringing on a Nacho / Daka who for all the love in the world, aren’t an Ulloa in the respect that they’ll win headers. 

[volpeazzurro]

9 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Funnily enough the best Performing non big six club at defending set pieces last season was Wolves and they use their goalkeeping coach for the role, as do we. 

Our goalkeeping coach can't even get our goalkeeper to come of his line after a lifetime so stands little chance elsewhere. Time for a coaching clearout,  unless they only do what Brent tells them.

[foxinsocks]

7 hours ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Think what is frustrating for most on here is that injury free we have a very good team that can challenge the top six. We need 2/3 quality additions to sustain that and take us to the next level. I think BR can do that but he needs to learn from mistakes such as late subs when things need to change and negative set ups. I guess those are quite big issues though.

What you say is logical... yet rodgers will not accept that anything related to him.is at fault.  He actions are all about preparing for his next job interview.   

 

I realise many on here are tired of such anti Brendan comments... yet I cant believe how many of the posters cant see thru him.   Look at the supprt puel got right until the end...   no change is always more likely than change when it comes to managers.  To expect Rodgers to have an epiphany is in itself delusional 

Edited 15 July 2022 by foxinsocks

[filbertway]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

He literally said we did. 
 

"They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

That turned out to be another one of his lies I think.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

Our goalkeeping coach can't even get our goalkeeper to come of his line after a lifetime so stands little chance elsewhere. Time for a coaching clearout,  unless they only do what Brent tells them.

Here comes all the Stowell bashing again. 

 

And yet some do the most successful managers in our history saw fit to keep him about. 

[Scotch]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

He literally said we did. 
 

"They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

Who then? There is definately no one been brought in specifically to expertise in set plays. 

 

Unless he means Adam Sadler who according to the website has "increased his coaching responsibilities over the last 12 months" but that's not really the same thing. That's like putting a Coke bottle in the back wheel of your Bicycle and telling folk you have a motorbike. 

[Babylon]

Just now, Scotch said:

Who then? There is definately no one been brought in specifically to expertise in set plays. 

 

Unless he means Adam Sadler who according to the website has "increased his coaching responsibilities over the last 12 months" but that's not really the same thing. That's like putting a Coke bottle in the back wheel of your Bicycle and telling folk you have a motorbike. 

Why don’t you go and ask him. 
 

How do you know nobody has been brought in? How do you know they aren’t part time or consultants, rather than full time employed?
 

Seems to be rather a large amount of guess work with very little knowledge going on in this thread.