Bilo Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 8 hours ago, foxfanazer said: You can't. I work in a bookies and as you say it goes off popular opinion as much as data. That's why England are always one of the favourites in world cup markets It works on liabilities as much as anything. England winning the World Cup would cost British bookies a fortune, which is why they offer miserly prices. In short, millions of people back England to lift the World Cup out of hope rather than expectation so it's a heart over head decision. Relegation from the Premier League doesn't carry anything like the same emotive appeal or nationwide liability, so would tend to be based more on objective facts both in terms of the odds makers and the punters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fishwick Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, foxfanazer said: You can't. I work in a bookies and as you say it goes off popular opinion as much as data. That's why England are always one of the favourites in world cup markets rubbish nowadays, maybe 20 years ago this was correct - betting is now a global phenomenon and with the internet anyone can look what the prices are in other countries at a single click. England are no shorter in the market here than in Timbuktu or China bookies now have the models to be able to pin point exact probabilities and are happy to lay a bet at what they deem is a correct price, then just let their margins and variance do the work for them, it will all come back eventually bookmaking as an art is dead, i.e. balancing the book on all sides to create a green number on all selections this is for football betting, racing is a bit different. Edited 1 May 2023 by Dave Fishwick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Premier league should just relegate the bottom 5, we are all so shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Nothing short of a win at Fulham now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxOfMelton Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 We're done now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapero82 Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Just now, wardyfox86 said: Nothing short of a win at Fulham now. We needed to win today and at Fulham to have any chance of staying up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFCJohn Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Will be embarrassing if we somehow stay up. This result does nothing. At least a defeat would have put us out our misery. Now we just have to wait another week…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 I think that's all she wrote, the only way we stay up now is the other teams not picking up any further points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEnglandFox Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Really feeling like those 5th place seasons dropping points in must win games over and over again until it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Lost all hope after that and Leeds. Defence is too bad to stay up and Iversen stopped an embarrassing loss. Dean and co left substitutes too late yet again, I dont think they know what to do tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardyfox86 Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 2 minutes ago, chapero82 said: We needed to win today and at Fulham to have any chance of staying up What have you seen from Forest and even moreso Leeds and Everton to give us absolutely no chance? We are all woeful down there and no of the 5 really deserve to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 It's in our hands. Our hands: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmayne7 Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Crap result, no denying it. Only thing is the psychological aspect of being out of the relegation zone and actually being up to 16th could have an impact (though playing on Monday again doesn't help!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Seems a bit...optimistic. This being said, three of the four we have to play have nothing to play for in the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john ridley Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Pathetic,we all know what's coming ,and we deserve it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesWalk Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 We had to win vs Everton, I really can’t see two wins here: Fulham Liverpool Newcastle West Ham Getting 2 points would be about right on form of these sides. 2 points and we are down. 4 points, we might survive, 6 points and we will survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 We're done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Just now, LVFox said: We're done Probably posts on Forest, Leeds, Everton and Southampton forums all saying the same thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyC74 Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Very difficult now. Need to get 5 points I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonezy Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 We needed a performance today and only Iversen decided to have one. I am going into relegation mindset; I can't be bothered with these fcukers giving me hope and dissapointing me again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxOnWheels Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Vardy playing like that we could maybe nick a win away at Fulham they aren’t amazing there a steady side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Fulham away is winnable, Leeds are away at Man City on Saturday and Forest play after us on the Monday so less pressure prior to our game as they'll inevitably beat Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinslowFox Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Have to hope Leeds & Everton don’t pick up another point now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Just now, Tuna said: Probably posts on Forest, Leeds, Everton and Southampton forums all saying the same thing! 100%. If anything I half feel all these clubs deserve the drop and they should just throw more clubs from the championship up. We are all absolutely woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentFox Posted 1 May 2023 Share Posted 1 May 2023 Desperately disappointing result, no denying that. But can’t argue with effort and commitment. I think we draw at Fulham and beat WHU to stay up on goal difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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