Relegation

[Dave Fishwick]

they always take at least a 10% cut though in the cash outs. But 360 seems low I agree

[Gerard]

15 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Now I’ve slept. I’ve been able to bring myself to look at the table. 
 

There’s still a very slim chance of a last day shoot out.

 

It would take an insane result against Liverpool or Newcastle…. But there’s a strong possibility Forest and Leeds won’t pick up another point until the final game. If we can somehow, by some miracle pick up a win in between we can get out of the relegation zone for the last game..

 

 

Only problem is, is this team up for it? Can they find something that saw them win the FA cup, get to a European final? Is someone going to step up and motivate them? 
 

If I were top, I would be marching into that training ground today, and stripping the walls. Someone needs to lay into these ****ers. 

 

I think the most likely scenario for us is we'll go into the last game of the season having to win, not in our own hands but if we do win we're likely to stay up.

 

I'll take that scenario now if offered.

[Gerard]

3 hours ago, Bilo said:

Not sure where Forest get 2 points from and we get a win from.

 

That's not necessarily how it works, my own primitive model has the final standing of:

 

Forest 35

Everton 34.5

-----------------------------

Leeds 33.5

Leicester 33

Southampton 27

 

For example I make Forest worth 0.5pts each against Chelsea (a) and Arsenal (h) so expect them to get 1pt from both those fixtures. 

 

On Betfair we're implied as an 18% chance to beat Liverpool and 21% to get a draw, extrapolated that means against Liverpool our expected point return from that match is 0.75pts so a draw would be a good result and implies we have overperformed.

 

[LCFCJohn]

9 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Rodgers must be happy.

This just makes it worse. You’re right, he’ll be loving the fact we haven’t got out of trouble…

[adejo92]

I think Everton will get wins against both Wolves & Bournemouth. They won't be a worry for us come the final game.

 

Edited 10 May 2023 by adejo92

[Pliskin]

7 hours ago, Gerard said:

 

That's not necessarily how it works, my own primitive model has the final standing of:

 

Forest 35

Everton 34.5

-----------------------------

Leeds 33.5

Leicester 33

Southampton 27

 

For example I make Forest worth 0.5pts each against Chelsea (a) and Arsenal (h) so expect them to get 1pt from both those fixtures. 

 

On Betfair we're implied as an 18% chance to beat Liverpool and 21% to get a draw, extrapolated that means against Liverpool our expected point return from that match is 0.75pts so a draw would be a good result and implies we have overperformed.

 

I’d be stunned if Forest got a point from those games. Chelsea will want to carry on winning. Sides like that are the worst to play in the scrap. Plus the gaps Forest will leave for them to exploit will kill them. They won’t beat Arsenal. 
 

Everton have Man City, so that’s one game they won’t get anything from, but I do expect them to win their last two. 
 

Leeds have Newcastle, and a Newcastle will need the points to secure top 4. 
 

It wouldn’t surprise me if we went and beat Liverpool, out of all of the sides in the top ten, Liverpool and spurs are the two you’d want to play. 
 

It is going down to the final day. I think we will get a result in the next two games, somehow, how I don’t know but we will be outside the bottom three on goal difference. Then it’s a simple case of us winning our last game……. That being the difficult part. 
 

It’s going to be a final day shoot out between us and Forest I think. 
 

Perhaps the Fulham result might spark a reaction….. it’s going to be a horrible few weeks, and we will all likely come out of it a little older. 

[funkyrobot]

We’ll get a glorious loss against Liverpool losing 3-1 with a last minute final goal for the scousers as we press for an equaliser.

We’ll get smashed 4-0 at Newcastle

 

With pressure off and relegation all but confirmed, we’ll beat West Ham 2-0 - our first clean sheet for months. 

[String fellow]

11 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I’d be stunned if Forest got a point from those games. Chelsea will want to carry on winning. Sides like that are the worst to play in the scrap. Plus the gaps Forest will leave for them to exploit will kill them. They won’t beat Arsenal. 
 

Everton have Man City, so that’s one game they won’t get anything from, but I do expect them to win their last two. 
 

Leeds have Newcastle, and a Newcastle will need the points to secure top 4. 
 

It wouldn’t surprise me if we went and beat Liverpool, out of all of the sides in the top ten, Liverpool and spurs are the two you’d want to play. 
 

It is going down to the final day. I think we will get a result in the next two games, somehow, how I don’t know but we will be outside the bottom three on goal difference. Then it’s a simple case of us winning our last game……. That being the difficult part. 
 

It’s going to be a final day shoot out between us and Forest I think. 
 

Perhaps the Fulham result might spark a reaction….. it’s going to be a horrible few weeks, and we will all likely come out of it a little older. 

The last time City conceded 5, they conceded 6 in the next game! Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm convinced that it'll be Leeds and Forest going down with Southampton, unless Allardyce can galvanise Leeds somehow. If we do survive, next season could be very rocky in the PL.

[Lutterworth Fox]

10 hours ago, beepee1984 said:

Rodgers should have gone last summer, if not 7 games into the season. Yes we had a revival, but keeping for 3/4 quarters of the season has killed us.

 

Paddy are now offering over half my returns on Leicester getting relegated - Yes I actually thought relegation was possible at the beginning of the season under BR and decided if it was going to happen then I want compensation.

PS - I still want us to stay up - this is 1 bet I want to lose

(PPS - I thought 14/1 was stingy, but clearly the bookies though their was a possibility & in fact it may have been placed after we drew with Stockport)

 

I'm being offered £451 cash out on £100 @ 6/1. They were even offering cash out during game in play (Forest v Southampton) which is highly unusual. Suggests bookies also think we're done and are trying to tempt me....suckers!

[Pliskin]

28 minutes ago, String fellow said:

The last time City conceded 5, they conceded 6 in the next game! Despite all the doom and gloom, I'm convinced that it'll be Leeds and Forest going down with Southampton, unless Allardyce can galvanise Leeds somehow. If we do survive, next season could be very rocky in the PL.

I agree. Don’t ask me how it will happen, I think it just will. 
 

And I agree, however. Top simply can’t allow it to happen again, he’s got no choice but to find some money from somewhere, and then I think it’s best for all parties if he considers selling the club. 

[Dickov22]

Memories from our season .... Ward looking like a windsock blowing in a gale when confronted by an opposing forward. Amartey passing the ball out from defence straight to an opposing player. Barnes disappearing on so many occasions, looking slightly disappointed when losing the ball. Vardy's steep decline from the terrorising striker he used to be to the completely ineffective one he is now. Soumare dithering in midfield and losing possession yet again. Faes rampaging upfield attempting reckless tackles whilst leaving huge gaps behind him. Daka, looking like he's playing with a ping pong ball on a concrete pitch. Tielemans, a class act, declining week by week in realisation of what a poor team he was in. Dewsbury-Hall, so full of early promise, being overwhelmed by the scale of the task he was facing ... he may come again. Luke, an U/13's player being continually bowled over by grown up men. Kristiansen, the growing realisation that he had been plunged into a situation that was out of his depth ... he may come again. Maddison, twisting and turning on the ball looking, mostly in vain, for a forward pass that might cause danger ... our only hero this season. Wilfrid who has become a pale shadow of the ball-winning colossus he once was ... no way back for him I'm afraid. Iheanacho, our most effective forward player for the past 2 years, reduced to 70th minute substitute appearances with too little time to change the course of the game. Finally, the tiny Brendan Rodgers, our very own Emperor with no clothes. Note taking with his silly little claps on the touchline. Unfathomable team selections and substitutions whilst watching HIS team wallow in hapless, hopeless performances week after week after week. Worst season in living memory.

[Leicester_Loyal]

On 04/09/2022 at 23:02, Stinky said:

This thread is insane I must be missing the number 3 infront of our 6 games played this season

 

On 05/09/2022 at 09:57, indierich06 said:

Relegation, honestly? There are some absolute bedwetters on here.

 

On 12/09/2022 at 09:24, Fear Of The Fox said:

I don't know guys, maybe I'm fully deluded but if a team with 4 Belgium international players, one of the best "10"s in the PL, some talented young FBs and strikers that can easily score manages to get relegated, it will only be down to the manager and the board. Yes our defense is shaky but it will be a huge "achievement" to go down with this kind of team. 

 

Oh lads!

 

Was just reading a couple of random pages near the start of the thread and most were saying as long as we get rid of Rodgers now we'll be ok, how did our elite chairman not see this but 80% of this board did? Beggars belief. The blame has solely got to lie with Top, I don't wanna hear he employees people to do it for him, that's not good enough, any competent person could see Rodgers was taking us down.

 

I saw myself a couple of pages in saying we needed 37 points from 31 games, we're gonna end up needing less than that, but it still wasn't an easy task when you've set yourself such a high points per game needed. We needed top 7 form for 31 games, was always gonna struggle, but it was so within our grasp, if we'd hung on at Palace away or Villa at home, we'd be  in a much better position. Southampton away was the one for me though, should never have lost that game with the chance we had, shocking.

Edited 10 May 2023 by Leicester_Loyal

[st albans fox]

 

9 hours ago, hejammy said:

Not sure if this has already been posted or even true. But we're gonna be broke as f in the championship! 

Jonathon probably isn’t an accountant 

 

You will see how desperate our financial situation is in June and July - if we sell low and excessive then we are clearly trying to plug  a big  hole  a any cost 

 

if we play our usual game then we can’t be that desperate 

 

 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

 

Jonathon probably isn’t an accountant 

 

You will see how desperate our financial situation is in June and July - if we sell low and excessive then we are clearly trying to plug  a big  hole  a any cost 

 

if we play our usual game then we can’t be that desperate 

 

 

Jonathon is also an attention seeking Twitter personality who loves getting likes. 

[UniFox21]

9 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

It’s ok but there are some ridiculous statements in there. Evans and Tielemans cannot be accused of downing tools - anyone who has watched Tielemans this season and thinks he hasn’t is kidding themselves. I can’t remember when Evans last played for us.
 

He also classes Rodgers as an “excellent manager”. Excellent managers don’t do this.  

I'd argue for 2 or so years he was an excellent manager. 

 

But for after that 2 years/ 2 and a half years point hit and his style, his methods just fell off a cliff. Especially when FFP was an active issue. 

[whoareyaaa]

The only way we stay up if forest and Leeds lose all there games and we beat Weet Ham

[Ashley]

25 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Jonathon is also an attention seeking Twitter personality who loves getting likes. 

He's not far off there though. We owe them in the region of £70m. 

[MattFox]

30 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Jonathon is also an attention seeking Twitter personality who loves getting likes. 

Spent years arse licking Top now turns to get likes from the fanbase

[Mickyblueeyes]

16 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I'd argue for 2 or so years he was an excellent manager. 

 

But for after that 2 years/ 2 and a half years point hit and his style, his methods just fell off a cliff. Especially when FFP was an active issue. 

Excellent managers don’t leave clubs in the state we are in. We may have a different definition of Excellent.
 

May have some coaching qualities but an excellent manager is more than that. I would argue that clubs struggle significantly after he has left, Liverpool, Celtic and now us require or required significant rebuilds. At the very least you leave (parts of) the club as strong as it was when you took over. This club needs to revamp its coaching, scouting, medical and playing staff with limited or no funds. We’ve seen excellent managers here before, this guy ain’t it. 
 

FFP issues after 2 years ? He over saw a £70m window with no sale. And a combined window of £45m with one sale. It wasn’t as much a hinderance (if it actually was) to justify this. Granted, he wasn’t the only one at fault. 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Ashley said:

He's not far off there though. We owe them in the region of £70m. 

As Moore explained, it’s more likely around £40mil because the Fofana money from Chelsea goes direct to them (although be some interest there too). 
 

No huge fan of how KP have financed the club but they can recover those sums through transfer sales.
 

The money doesn’t have to be paid via the parachute money, it’s more they are a guarantee if LCFC default because it’s money received from a third party. Someone has explained this to him in the replies but no reaction unsurprisingly.
 

KP could of course just pay the debt off themselves. 
 

There’s no need for the drama that his tweet does. Which is there for him to get lots of Twitter likes and traffic. 

Edited 10 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, MattFox said:

Spent years arse licking Top now turns to get likes from the fanbase

Just adopts the popular opinion rather than think critically. 

Edited 10 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[Ashley]

13 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

As Moore explained, it’s more likely around £40mil because the Fofana money from Chelsea goes direct to them (although be some interest there too). 
 

No huge fan of how KP have financed the club but they can recover those sums through transfer sales.
 

The money doesn’t have to be paid via the parachute money, it’s more they are a guarantee if LCFC default because it’s money received from a third party. Someone has explained this to him in the replies but no reaction unsurprisingly.
 

KP could of course just pay the debt off themselves. 
 

There’s no need for the drama that his tweet does. Which is there for him to get lots of Twitter likes and traffic. 

Mate the bloke is a full on crumpet but I think he's just highlighting the situation and how bad we could potentially be.

[TamworthFoxes]

3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

 

 

Oh lads!

 

Was just reading a couple of random pages near the start of the thread and most were saying as long as we get rid of Rodgers now we'll be ok, how did our elite chairman not see this but 80% of this board did? Beggars belief. The blame has solely got to lie with Top, I don't wanna hear he employees people to do it for him, that's not good enough, any competent person could see Rodgers was taking us down.

 

I saw myself a couple of pages in saying we needed 37 points from 31 games, we're gonna end up needing less than that, but it still wasn't an easy task when you've set yourself such a high points per game needed. We needed top 7 form for 31 games, was always gonna struggle, but it was so within our grasp, if we'd hung on at Palace away or Villa at home, we'd be  in a much better position. Southampton away was the one for me though, should never have lost that game with the chance we had, shocking.

It’s a 235 page thread, there are lots more than just these 3 who will be a tad embarrassed about their confidence we wouldn’t go down!! 😂😂

Bedwetters was the common term used to describe the few who could see it a long long time ago.

The apathy and unwillingness by fans,  to really make life uncomfortable for the players, manager and ownership is as disappointing for me as everything that has gone on on the pitch.

Numerous games they should have been literally chased off the field and we have morons stood applauding them.  Rodgers should have literally been chased out of town after Forest away in the cup but even to the bitter end we had some idiots still backing him. 

When the dust settles and the realisation of how little of a shit this bunch of players cares really dawns on people, I hope many feel embarrassed in the following years as we rot in the championship or lower.  
 

[Nalis]

Reckon we'll still be in it on the final day by virtue of Forest not get any points in their last 2 and Leeds getting no more than 3 but most likely 1. And then we'll probably go down anyway.

[Fox92]

12 hours ago, hejammy said:

Not sure if this has already been posted or even true. But we're gonna be broke as f in the championship! 

I thought things couldn't get much worse, but then JonathanLCFC is brought back to my attention.