Vardinio'sCat Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 4 minutes ago, mozartfox said: No. But I think Top has been badly let down by Rudders and whoever is in charge of financial planning, plus chuck in the entire Recruitment Team as they have performed abysmally this last few windows. I agree that the responsibility goes across several areas of the club, I'm not trying to throw it all on Top. They collectively pushed the finances and we have got our fingers burnt, perhaps BR's successful start and winning chat sucked the rest of the structure down a rabbit hole. I'm sure we have learned big lessons and with the expiry of many contracts next summer, if we can hang on this season we should get a proper refresh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 How desperate do you all feel? Knocky is available... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzFOX Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 I say get what we can and table the rest for January when we can complete the rest. In the mean time the club has to offload the dead wood! This has to be a priority otherwise we’re never gonna get out of this mess of too many unwanted and unqualified players sitting around collecting high wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardinio'sCat Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 15 minutes ago, Md9 said: Maybe top wasn’t ready to be in charge of a football club his father was running before the accident but had no choice but to take it on. He might have lots of different people in his ear telling him things and doesn’t know what to do where as vichai might have had more of a clue who to trust and not trust. I think you have a very good point. Expecting Top to match his vastly experienced father is asking a lot. I expect club ownership can be a lonely business when things don't go well. I have the utmost respect for the family but they are only human beings, and can and will make mistakes. This period is probably the toughest since the accident and I'm sure everyone at the club is hurting from it, despite some of the views on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest itude Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 1 hour ago, Vardinio'sCat said: Out of interest, do you think Vichai would have let us get into this situation? I think the answer is probably not, so I would add some responsibility to Top in your list. Yep, not many seem to want to say that, but I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest itude Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 31 minutes ago, mozartfox said: No. But I think Top has been badly let down by Rudders and whoever is in charge of financial planning, plus chuck in the entire Recruitment Team as they have performed abysmally this last few windows. Then he knows what to do, but it seems he is not going to do it ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardinio'sCat Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 25 minutes ago, AjcW said: He has people in charge of the business that he trusts to run that side of things, if they've dropped the ball it's on them not him. It's not like they're people he hired, he went with continuity. You could possibly accuse him of not being brave and changing the structure (we've missed out on people like Dan Ashworth who could have made a real difference in our structure, especially with the training ground/stadium stuff) by sticking with Rudkin etc. Surely Top has decent oversight of the money side of the club, and is involved in all the major decisions? I think you may well be right that Top is not quite as ruthless as Vichai, although this is just speculation on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majaco Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 I'll be glad when the window closes. It creates so much bs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Just now, Vardinio'sCat said: Surely Top has decent oversight of the money side of the club, and is involved in all the major decisions? I think you may well be right that Top is not quite as ruthless as Vichai, although this is just speculation on my part. I doubt it, he has a business to run himself. Chairmen at most businesses pop to a meeting once a month and are given a very brief overview of the accounts. If anything sticks out 'Susan can you sort that out please' Unless things were going horrifically wrong and we were about to go out of business, no Chairman is involved in the day to day stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardinio'sCat Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 2 minutes ago, AjcW said: I doubt it, he has a business to run himself. Chairmen at most businesses pop to a meeting once a month and are given a very brief overview of the accounts. If anything sticks out 'Susan can you sort that out please' Unless things were going horrifically wrong and we were about to go out of business, no Chairman is involved in the day to day stuff. No chairman has involvement with important decisions like transfers, are you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest itude Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Are things not going horrifically wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Just now, Vardinio'sCat said: No chairman has involvement with important decisions like transfers, are you sure? I didn't say that. I'm sure he signs off on them in some capacity, but his trust in those around him is such that it's likely a formality. The point is, stuff should be landing on his desk that doesn't even need checking over! We should be being run well enough for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosseSpark Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Can Nuge come out of retirement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 I cannot believe Grillitsch is still available and seemingly going nowhere, absolutely mental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardinio'sCat Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Anyway, I'm going to wait til the deadline closes to comment further on responsibility. I'm sure we all have our theories about what has gone on and why, lets see what tonight brings us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanefox Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Sign a RW you bunch of nonces 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 3 minutes ago, AjcW said: I cannot believe Grillitsch is still available and seemingly going nowhere, absolutely mental Oh he's just gone to Ajax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 46 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said: If it was just the pandemic, why are no other clubs struggling like we are? I think Vichai was almost certainly more careful than Top, much as I recognise the terrible sacrifice the family has made. I don't like criticising Top, but being an outlier on wages didn't just happen overnight, the money side of the club should have been more careful. Its speculation from all of us, but had it occurred to you that not all industries were equally affected by the pandemic? Travel and related industries were decimated. A friend of mine was a director of a travel advertising business. One month they were looking at significant investment with expansion, the next they were laying off 90% staff. Saudi oil was less affected than Thai duty free. For all we know, we just need to enter a lean period to balance books whilst their sector recovers before more investment for players can come in. Or maybe they are proper fooked, and need out. None of us know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 (edited) I'm sure there is one more name to come out, probably made up, but there will be a name to get us all excited or appalled. Probably the latter. Doesn't look like anyone other than maybe Praet is going anywhere. So there isn't going to be another centre back coming in. A name will come out for right midfield. Redmond? Traore? Iwobi? Edited 1 September 2022 by RowlattsFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 9 minutes ago, itude said: Are things not going horrifically wrong ? Looks like it. Ask me again after tonight’s game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 1 hour ago, mozartfox said: No. But I think Top has been badly let down by Rudders and whoever is in charge of financial planning, plus chuck in the entire Recruitment Team as they have performed abysmally this last few windows. The praise is heaped on "the owners" when things go well and when they don't it's other people's fault. Funny that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damolcfc Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 It's bad though how there is a match being played tonight and it's deadline day.... not an issue for man u I guess but us, we could have 4 or 5 players ripped away before kick off just like that couldn't we?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 8 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: I'm sure there is one more name to come out, probably made up, but there will be a name to get us all excited or appalled. Probably the latter. Doesn't look like anyone other than maybe Praet is going anywhere. So there isn't going to be another centre back coming in. A name will come out for right midfield. Redmond? Traore? Iwobi? Would take him all day long. At least he get you on your feet before he smashes it over the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 6 minutes ago, damolcfc said: It's bad though how there is a match being played tonight and it's deadline day.... not an issue for man u I guess but us, we could have 4 or 5 players ripped away before kick off just like that couldn't we?? Why? We don't have to lose anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 1 September 2022 Share Posted 1 September 2022 Can we just sign the negotiator from Forest who can seemingly get things done in minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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