PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 49 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: They are definitely not responsible for winning us the league and FA cup. Yeah they played a part, but it’s not as if our title winning side cost hundreds of millions. So by your logic, the owners of Man city definitely have nothing to do with them being the best club in the prem then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 10 hours ago, Ric Flair said: It's very rare managers get their entire contract, it's been reported he'd get around a years salary which is very common when managers get paid off. There's often a clause in their contract for stuff like this, like there is for managers to be released from their contracts too. So as I've said before, he's already getting £10m a year anyway, if he's somehow managed to swindle the club in to owing him his full contract either in full or whilst he is out of work then more fool us, if its the latter it's still likely to be similar figures to what I've quoted as he'd not be out of the game for longer than a year, his ego wouldn't allow it. So it's essentially the cost of the new managers wages for the rest of the season. I'd say it's rarer they don't get the full contracts worth. The get out is usually putting them on gardening leave and they are paid until they take another job, at which point we stop paying. But we are talking about Rudkin here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 2 minutes ago, SemperEadem said: Its a Monday morning relax. They played a role in facilitating success, no doubt. The idea that ‘they won it us’ is just not true. So without their money we as a championship also ran ,won nothing club would have got ourselves promoted and gone on to win the prem and F.a cup ? I don't understand your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 58 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: They are definitely not responsible for winning us the league and FA cup. Yeah they played a part, but it’s not as if our title winning side cost hundreds of millions. They are definitely partly responsible. Just as everyone else involved was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 10 hours ago, 5waller5 said: I think it’s really simple. His late dad has an almost infinite amount of credit in the bank. A genuinely nice guy, honourable, and ethical he invested huge amounts of cash into a club that he became a fan of, every bit as much as we are. He ran the show brilliantly, kindly, with a conscience, and gave us the highest highs of our entire 138 year history. He was a truly remarkable man that tragically died whilst at the club he seemed to genuinely love. His son has had to pick up the reigns, whilst grieving, during a pandemic that slammed his main business, and hope to continue to get things right. He doesn’t seem to be at present, but anyone with a heart will find it difficult to criticise him. Everything you say about Vichai is of course correct. However, you are missing the point. The club is not operating how a well run PL club should. I mean we are not the first. A lot of people hold this club quite dear to their hearts and the manager, players chairman, board etc. are just a part of it, not THE part of it. What I was trying to say is with the emotion attached, seeing the errors that are being committed which is leading to a form of disaster that emotion will of course be high. Top, Brendan, the players, the board, the recruitment etc. have all in the last few years been praised heavily. The natural course of action in times of adversity is for there to be criticism. Holding some fans accountable for that (in some cases justifiable) criticism is unfair. They have reason to be disappointed. Let fans voice it. There is very little defence for what we have been served this summer and at the start of this season - naturally that frustration will come out. Top has big shoes to fill and that whether it fair or unfair, is a fact. Being a leader means you EXPECT the praise alongside the criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperEadem Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 4 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: So without their money we as a championship also ran ,won nothing club would have got ourselves promoted and gone on to win the prem and F.a cup ? I don't understand your logic. What im saying is the popular phrase and idea that ‘they won us the league’ is false. Leicester fans putting businessmen above actual players and managers in esteem is odd in my book. They as owners were at times in the early days all over the shop. They then made some smart decisions and signed some cheques which helped success. The on field success was players and manager doing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 1 minute ago, Babylon said: They are definitely partly responsible. Just as everyone else involved was. They gave us the platform and financial clout to get us promoted. Without that one step, we would still be in the championship. we owe all of our present success to them. The ungrateful Leicester fans are an embarrassment. Imagine the Man city fans denying their owners had only a bit part in their success? people would laugh their heads off. Yet on here that is exactly what some posters are suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 1 minute ago, SemperEadem said: What im saying is the popular phrase and idea that ‘they won us the league’ is false. Leicester fans putting businessmen above actual players and managers in esteem is odd in my book. They as owners were at times in the early days all over the shop. They then made some smart decisions and signed some cheques which helped success. The on field success was players and manager doing. And we as a club would have been where without them? we would have never been in a position to win the prem in the first place would we? so no owners and no title win it's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 1 minute ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: They gave us the platform and financial clout to get us promoted. Without that one step, we would still be in the championship. we owe all of our present success to them. The ungrateful Leicester fans are an embarrassment. Imagine the Man city fans denying their owners had only a bit part in their success? people would laugh their heads off. Yet on here that is exactly what some posters are suggesting. Why would we still be in the Championship? Didn't Mandaric appoint Sousa to make it a more attractive proposition to any buyers. So let's say Mandaric doesn't sell and we keep Pearson having just lost in the playoffs, can you with absolute certainty say we wouldn't have challenged again? I've already said this to you on the last page, we'd hardly had a bad couple of seasons before they came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperEadem Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 2 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: And we as a club would have been where without them? we would have never been in a position to win the prem in the first place would we? so no owners and no title win it's as simple as that. They signed the cheques yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 2 minutes ago, SemperEadem said: They signed the cheques yes. And if they were not there to sign any cheques? I still don't get your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 (edited) From King Power's arrival to promotion, approx £19 million net spent in transfer fees. The major difference they made in that period was signing off a lot of running cost debt and get the stadium back in the hands of the club. In the PL, the injection of their own money has been largely a loan for the training ground and they have stayed clear of that since - even (sometimes bizarrely choosing not over egg stadium/shirt sponsorship deals). Comparing it to some Man City esque loading of money isn't comparable - really it's more like Brighton or Brentford size investment and then subsequently good player trading Edited 10 October 2022 by CosbehFox 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 6 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Why would we still be in the Championship? Didn't Mandaric appoint Sousa to make it a more attractive proposition to any buyers. So let's say Mandaric doesn't sell and we keep Pearson having just lost in the playoffs, can you with absolute certainty say we wouldn't have challenged again? I've already said this to you on the last page, we'd hardly had a bad couple of seasons before they came in. No, but I can say with absolute certainty that it was our present owners who delivered not some maybe's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJB-fox Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 10 hours ago, Ric Flair said: It's very rare managers get their entire contract, it's been reported he'd get around a years salary which is very common when managers get paid off. There's often a clause in their contract for stuff like this, like there is for managers to be released from their contracts too. So as I've said before, he's already getting £10m a year anyway, if he's somehow managed to swindle the club in to owing him his full contract either in full or whilst he is out of work then more fool us, if its the latter it's still likely to be similar figures to what I've quoted as he'd not be out of the game for longer than a year, his ego wouldn't allow it. So it's essentially the cost of the new managers wages for the rest of the season. Miles off it bud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 4 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: From King Power's arrival to promotion, approx £19 million net spent in transfer fees. The major difference they made in that appear was signing off a lot of running cost debt. In the PL, the injection of their own money has been largely a loan for the training ground and they have stayed clear of that since - even (sometimes bizarrely choosing not over egg stadium/shirt sponsorship deals). Comparing it to some Man City esque loading of money isn't comparable - really it's more like Brighton or Brentford size investment and then subsequently good player trading I was not comparing the financial input with Man city. I was pointing out that their fans would never deny the fact that their owners turned that club into what it is today.To hear our own fans on here minimizing what our owners did is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 14 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said: Everything you say about Vichai is of course correct. However, you are missing the point. The club is not operating how a well run PL club should. I mean we are not the first. A lot of people hold this club quite dear to their hearts and the manager, players chairman, board etc. are just a part of it, not THE part of it. What I was trying to say is with the emotion attached, seeing the errors that are being committed which is leading to a form of disaster that emotion will of course be high. Top, Brendan, the players, the board, the recruitment etc. have all in the last few years been praised heavily. The natural course of action in times of adversity is for there to be criticism. Holding some fans accountable for that (in some cases justifiable) criticism is unfair. They have reason to be disappointed. Let fans voice it. There is very little defence for what we have been served this summer and at the start of this season - naturally that frustration will come out. Top has big shoes to fill and that whether it fair or unfair, is a fact. Being a leader means you EXPECT the praise alongside the criticism. I agree with your original post and this follow up. I wasn’t suggesting Top is doing the right thing sticking by Rodgers, just answering the original point of why he’s not getting more criticism… I think we fully agree, but are just articulating different aspects of the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: I was not comparing the financial input with Man city. I was pointing out that their fans would never deny the fact that their owners turned that club into what it is today.To hear our own fans on here minimizing what our owners did is embarrassing. And I was just pointing out that the investment was more akin to what plenty of other clubs have gone through - and then subsequently the players/staff etc improved upon where others current. If you asking me have King Power been a factor in achieving our success? Yes Could we have achieved those things without King Power? Yes too Edited 10 October 2022 by CosbehFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ely fox Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 I’ve said it before. Top has lost interest. He has other interests ie horse racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 10 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: No, but I can say with absolute certainty that it was our present owners who delivered not some maybe's. But you've used the point that we'd still be in the Championship as part of your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said: And I was just pointing out that the investment was more akin to what plenty of other clubs have gone through - and then subsequently the players/staff etc improved upon where others current. If you asking me have King Power been a factor in achieving our success? Yes Could we have achieved those things without King Power? Yes too Not just a factor it's a reality. whereas your conjecture relies on could we without them. That is very doubtful but I agree not provable. but back to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPA LAZAROU Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 2 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: But you've used the point that we'd still be in the Championship as part of your argument. Agreed I was wrong to suppose that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 40 minutes ago, PAPA LAZAROU said: So by your logic, the owners of Man city definitely have nothing to do with them being the best club in the prem then? Read what I wrote again. I said they played their part, just as Man City owners have played their part. Do you think without Pep Man City win half of what they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izzy Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 5 minutes ago, Ely fox said: I’ve said it before. Top has lost interest. He has other interests ie horse racing. Said with such certainty. How on earth do you know? His Forest programme notes didn't suggest he's lost interest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 43 minutes ago, SemperEadem said: Its a Monday morning relax. They played a role in facilitating success, no doubt. The idea that ‘they won it us’ is just not true. Chelsea won us the League by beating spurs and also won us the Cup by being shit on the day. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 10 October 2022 Share Posted 10 October 2022 8 minutes ago, Ely fox said: I’ve said it before. Top has lost interest. He has other interests ie horse racing. He's less into horse racing than his dad was... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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