Popular Post MrsJohnMurphy Posted 15 November 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 15 November 2022 13 minutes ago, filbertway said: The man has still presided over a regression which is why this summer was so weak. We're on target for around 42 points so far this season, which is well below the expectations. We're at major risk of losing the only 2 players that are capable of getting us a goal out of our very limited attacking play, for way below their market value. We appear to have very little money available and allowed our wage budget to spiral out of control. I think I've said in this thread that one of Vichai's greatest strengths was an ability to learn from mistakes and that Top needs to display a similar trait. One day we'll find out why Rodgers actually kept his job after that start. It's my opinion that it wasn't just because Top thought 1 point from 7 games was acceptable and part of some master plan. Part of me hopes it was a genius bluff, if it really was out of some mad loyalty then I do think that's a weakness of ours as a club that needs nipping in the bud. Faes and Knudsen coming in show that it's healthy to have no faces and opinions to keep things from going stale. We're 6th in goals scored chart 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazman Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 44 minutes ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: Don't be ridiculous. Surely you can see that it's possible to have had 'reservations' without feeling the need to spout hateful idiotic bile. Or is everything actually all-or-nothing for you? Surely you can see not everyone did spout, as you have described, (or is it all or nothing with you), judging by your opening comment of being Ridiculous, I suspect that to be the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 51 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said: We're 6th in goals scored chart It's mad isn't it! We're 14th in expected goals. Like I say, we've got 2 players that are capable of creating something out of nothing. Well 3 including Kel, but he's only allowed to play in dire circumstances. All you've done is back up my point, so thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 18 minutes ago, filbertway said: It's mad isn't it! We're 14th in expected goals. Like I say, we've got 2 players that are capable of creating something out of nothing. Well 3 including Kel, but he's only allowed to play in dire circumstances. All you've done is back up my point, so thanks Or maybe it's not as limited as you think. The positive spin is that in front of goal we're quite efficient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 4 hours ago, Simoken said: I assume you are referring to our shambolic fan base? I can't speak for your fanbase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsJohnMurphy Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 3 hours ago, filbertway said: It's mad isn't it! We're 14th in expected goals. Like I say, we've got 2 players that are capable of creating something out of nothing. Well 3 including Kel, but he's only allowed to play in dire circumstances. All you've done is back up my point, so thanks you do realise that when Youri and Madders leave we won't be playing with 9 men? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 I criticised the board heavily on here but fair play for sticking. It's so easy to sack a manager nowadays. Hopefully Rodgers turns us around, we are showing glimpes of it, and we continue to win trophies under him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 I retain strong reservations, I don't care who remembers or forgets my position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lifted*fox Posted 15 November 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 15 November 2022 criticizing the board is one thing, but some of the dog shit aimed at Top was utterly embarrassing - especially the personal stuff - along the lines of 'embarrassing his father's legacy', etc. still, glad to see his judgement of character is better than some on here - I guess that's why he's a rich, highly respected and decorated businessman and guys on here are just guys with too much time to spout vitriol behind a keyboard. 17 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylesta Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 On 04/09/2022 at 16:48, Mr.Bingles said: I do wonder whether Top has the stomach for all this. It was Vichai's club not Top's. Wasn't its tops choice to choose us from a game many years ago he went to see at Hillsborough a cup final replay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 6 hours ago, filbertway said: It's mad isn't it! We're 14th in expected goals. Like I say, we've got 2 players that are capable of creating something out of nothing. Well 3 including Kel, but he's only allowed to play in dire circumstances. All you've done is back up my point, so thanks We do seem to be creating clearer chances now which is encouraging. Our xG is improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: I criticised the board heavily on here but fair play for sticking. It's so easy to sack a manager nowadays. Hopefully Rodgers turns us around, we are showing glimpes of it, and we continue to win trophies under him. Perhaps in this case it was hard to sack a manager because we couldnt afford the severance. More likely though Top has blind faith which is mad because at one point it seemed Rodgers was asking for a p45. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 9 hours ago, filbertway said: The man has still presided over a regression which is why this summer was so weak. We're on target for around 42 points so far this season, which is well below the expectations. We're at major risk of losing the only 2 players that are capable of getting us a goal out of our very limited attacking play, for way below their market value. We appear to have very little money available and allowed our wage budget to spiral out of control. I think I've said in this thread that one of Vichai's greatest strengths was an ability to learn from mistakes and that Top needs to display a similar trait. One day we'll find out why Rodgers actually kept his job after that start. It's my opinion that it wasn't just because Top thought 1 point from 7 games was acceptable and part of some master plan. Part of me hopes it was a genius bluff, if it really was out of some mad loyalty then I do think that's a weakness of ours as a club that needs nipping in the bud. Faes and Knudsen coming in show that it's healthy to have no faces and opinions to keep things from going stale. Regression. We had one bad window that led to a bad start and still managed to salvage it after Fofana pulled the rug out from under us. You can’t expect every season to be an improvement on the last. We’re revamping our recruitment and defensive setup (both of which take time) and need to be fully ready for the next two windows— it would have been a bit irresponsible to make major changes in the squad without the new head of recruitment in place. We have England’s best attacking player and still have a squad full of internationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 1 hour ago, The_77 said: Regression. We had one bad window that led to a bad start and still managed to salvage it after Fofana pulled the rug out from under us. You can’t expect every season to be an improvement on the last. We’re revamping our recruitment and defensive setup (both of which take time) and need to be fully ready for the next two windows— it would have been a bit irresponsible to make major changes in the squad without the new head of recruitment in place. We have England’s best attacking player and still have a squad full of internationals. All of these things are a result of poor mismanagement. There's signs of trying to rectify it, but these situations and scenarios that we're trying to rectify now didn't occur by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_77 Posted 15 November 2022 Share Posted 15 November 2022 2 hours ago, filbertway said: All of these things are a result of poor mismanagement. There's signs of trying to rectify it, but these situations and scenarios that we're trying to rectify now didn't occur by accident. And you’re applying a standard to Top and LCFC that nobody applies to any other club. How many clubs get it right window after window? And how many other clubs think they can just buy their way out of any problem? A reset isn’t a regression. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 How many games has Top been to since the Forest game he came to in order to “monitor the performance and crowd reaction”? That was a flash in the pan. Performances were poor a long time before that and have continued since whilst it’s also clear the atmosphere around the club, fans leaving early, fans booing are clear to see whether present at games or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 5 hours ago, Matt said: How many games has Top been to since the Forest game he came to in order to “monitor the performance and crowd reaction”? That was a flash in the pan. Performances were poor a long time before that and have continued since whilst it’s also clear the atmosphere around the club, fans leaving early, fans booing are clear to see whether present at games or not. Dunno but before yesterday we only played 3 home games after Forest anyway. I suspect the "monitor performance and crowd" was an excuse to please people but it's not as if he's missed 10 games (if he has indeed not turned up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 6 hours ago, Matt said: How many games has Top been to since the Forest game he came to in order to “monitor the performance and crowd reaction”? That was a flash in the pan. Performances were poor a long time before that and have continued since whilst it’s also clear the atmosphere around the club, fans leaving early, fans booing are clear to see whether present at games or not. Knives are out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 3 minutes ago, Tommy G said: Knives are out Yep, and it’s embarassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 Just now, Nick said: Yep, and it’s embarassing. Dug back 6 weeks to find a thread to slate Top. Weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 6 hours ago, Matt said: How many games has Top been to since the Forest game he came to in order to “monitor the performance and crowd reaction”? That was a flash in the pan. Performances were poor a long time before that and have continued since whilst it’s also clear the atmosphere around the club, fans leaving early, fans booing are clear to see whether present at games or not. He was at the palace and leeds games that followed (leeds was a midweek evening game). he wasn't at the man city game. he was at the newcastle game. he wasn't there last night. so out of the last six home games, he's missed 2. for someone that lives in thailand, that's pretty good. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1 Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 It’s impossible to credibly have a pop at the lad but let’s get into reality for a minute - we are obviously in trouble - it isn’t the same as under vichai- it was never going to be - Top obviously has a lot on his shoulders and he is only young - lcfc doesn’t seem to be on his priority list at the minute - we need to accept it - we don’t have the finances for a multitude of reasons that we can try and float blame for or just accept - we aren’t in a good place - the manger , the players in and out of contract , the transfer policy - it’s all adds up - it’s been a completely unbelievable 12 years with far more ups than we ever could believe - they have been amazing owners - unfortunately for us everything has a cycle - our dream years are coming to an end for now - however it’s not all doom and gloom - we might be a mid table premier league team for the next 10 years - if so can we really complain - not a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAN Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 13 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He was at the palace and leeds games that followed (leeds was a midweek evening game). he wasn't at the man city game. he was at the newcastle game. he wasn't there last night. so out of the last six home games, he's missed 2. for someone that lives in thailand, that's pretty good. Bet he leaves early though. Plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 18 minutes ago, st albans fox said: He was at the palace and leeds games that followed (leeds was a midweek evening game). he wasn't at the man city game. he was at the newcastle game. he wasn't there last night. so out of the last six home games, he's missed 2. for someone that lives in thailand, that's pretty good. Only went to the Newcastle game to get his free drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Renard Posted 4 January 2023 Share Posted 4 January 2023 (edited) I don't think you can point the finger at Top at this moment, there might be a little culpability in getting carried away with the FA cup success and two top 5 finishes. He was probably convinced by the board and Rodgers, or convinced himself that the club could continue to push the top 4, It didn't work out and went tits up. We don't have the money of Man U or Arsenal, these two clubs have struggled in recent times, but they can afford to make mistakes. Our club can't, hence going from having one of the best squads outside of the Top 4, to having a squad that we have zero faith in, within 18months. Top will be culpable if he doesn't rectify the mistakes, he along with the board are probably(I hope) trying to do that, and maybe we won't see positive results for the next year or two. Get the rebuild wrong, then the club is well and truly £*^!*$. Edited 4 January 2023 by Le Renard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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