Tommy G Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 Just now, Lcfc098 said: Because just like the rest of our club they probably think we're too good to go down What would be your 5 point plan to save the club Lcfc098? Getting rid of the Chairman point one, next? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy G said: What would be your 5 point plan to save the club Lcfc098? Getting rid of the Chairman point one, next? Line them up and shoot them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 Just now, Lcfc098 said: Line them up and shoot them Thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy G said: Thought so. Sorry Brendan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 11 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: Sorry Brendan That's not my stance, my point is there is lots of mud slinging with no real back up ideas of what to do next, which is the main criticism of the current Chairman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post EnderbyFox Posted 6 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 6 March 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Tommy G said: What would be your 5 point plan to save the club Lcfc098? Getting rid of the Chairman point one, next? 1) Sack Rodgers 2) Hire a manager that's atleast allowed to ride all the attractions at Alton Towers 3) Ban note-pads 4)???? 5) Profit Edited 6 March 2023 by EnderbyFox 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 2 minutes ago, Tommy G said: That's not my stance, my point is there is lots of mud slinging with no real back up ideas of what to do next, which is the main criticism of the current Chairman. The main criticism of the chairman stems from the fact that it is ultimately his decision to change the manager. Fair enough, he might not think it's the right decision but he could at least come out and give the fans a message that he backs him to get us out of this instead of radio silence. There is also all the other issues such as treatment of fans at home/away games, pointless ticket checks, mandatory digital tickets and just the general running of the clubs day to day business where they don't treat us as fans whatsoever. It's not just started now too it's been going on for a long while but is only getting brought up now due to the situation we are in. And before you say it's not the owners job to take care of all of these things, firstly we were a much better run club under Vichai and secondly he decides who to employ. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fox92 Posted 6 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 6 March 2023 1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said: The main criticism of the chairman stems from the fact that it is ultimately his decision to change the manager. Fair enough, he might not think it's the right decision but he could at least come out and give the fans a message that he backs him to get us out of this instead of radio silence. There is also all the other issues such as treatment of fans at home/away games, pointless ticket checks, mandatory digital tickets and just the general running of the clubs day to day business where they don't treat us as fans whatsoever. It's not just started now too it's been going on for a long while but is only getting brought up now due to the situation we are in. And before you say it's not the owners job to take care of all of these things, firstly we were a much better run club under Vichai and secondly he decides who to employ. I doubt he knows about anything that goes on at games. He'll have hundreds working under him. And why should our owner/board say anything? No other club has a board that comes out and justifies decisions. I am criticial of the board but not for something like that which never happens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy G Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: The main criticism of the chairman stems from the fact that it is ultimately his decision to change the manager. Fair enough, he might not think it's the right decision but he could at least come out and give the fans a message that he backs him to get us out of this instead of radio silence. There is also all the other issues such as treatment of fans at home/away games, pointless ticket checks, mandatory digital tickets and just the general running of the clubs day to day business where they don't treat us as fans whatsoever. It's not just started now too it's been going on for a long while but is only getting brought up now due to the situation we are in. And before you say it's not the owners job to take care of all of these things, firstly we were a much better run club under Vichai and secondly he decides who to employ. Why would a Chairman come out and give regular updates to fans? Via programme notes yes, but no Chairman is going to feed the fans regular updates on his feelings towards the manager - his feelings must be at least neutral to positive as he's still in a job - it's quite clear what his feelings are. Secondly you don't get rid of owners due to ticket checks and digitalisation of tickets. Treatment of home fans? Was it one price rise in 10 years on ST prices? Freebies for fans whether you enjoy those kind of things (personally I'm not bothered but I won't use a free beer as a stick to beat him) It is absolutely his job and the rest of the boards job to look after those small things, but they can't control everything - they will delegate to people within the club to run their function how they see fit, to an extent. If you think a Chairman or CEO knows every nook and cranny of what goes on in a business that size then I'm afraid you just don't get it. Edited 6 March 2023 by Tommy G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 3 minutes ago, Tommy G said: Why would a Chairman come out and give regular updates to fans? Via programme notes yes, but no Chairman is going to feed the fans regular updates on his feelings towards the manager - his feelings must be at least neutral to positive as he's still in a job - it's quite clear what his feelings are. Secondly you don't get rid of owners due to ticket checks and digitalisation of tickets. Treatment of home fans? Was it one price rise in 10 years on ST prices? Freebies for fans whether you enjoy those kind of things (personally I'm not bothered but I won't use a free beer as a stick to beat him) It is absolutely his job and the rest of the boards job to look after those small things, but they can't control everything - they will delegate to people within the club to run their function how they see fit, to an extent. If you think a Chairman or CEO knows every nook and cranny of what goes on in a business that size then I'm afraid you just don't get it. That's not what i'm saying though. I'm not saying it's his job to make this stuff happen but the fact is under his rule it is happening. At the end of the day, the owner of the business is responsible for his employees. If the employees such as DOF, fan liaisons officer (or whatever we have in that role) are not doing a good job (which i don't believe they are) then it's upto him to rectify that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 1 minute ago, Tommy G said: That's not my stance, my point is there is lots of mud slinging with no real back up ideas of what to do next, which is the main criticism of the current Chairman. But that is near on impossible to ask for on a fan forum. I mean this time last year we all expected a rebuild and were getting ready to splash the cash - the summer showed we (alongside the manager) had no idea. If someone was to give it a go:- 1. Bring in some NEDs - carefully selected. The current CEO (who I dont think is bad at her job) is very much part of the KP make up. The DOF is a local boy done good. The FD is experienced yes but has moved upwards rather than lateral/downwards - that applies to the entirety of his career not just FD roles. When you look at the board structure at least 3 (it could be 4) have been promoted within. The GC is holding his first gig. If this was a £30, 40, 50m T/O business you can get away with it but alongside a fairly inexperienced owner, for a business LCFC size that can lead to stale management lacking innovation. It could also (again I have no inside information) yes men/women. Now the answer isnt to sack them - they've perhaps reached their ceiling as a team - they need a top light open - bring in some NEDs to do that. But like I said before, I dont know the current board members personally and I am basing this purely on experienced looking in. 2. The football side is failing. In all departments. As football isnt my industry (but my hobby) a bit more difficult to assess. However, I think its top heavy. It seems everyone and everything reports into Rudkin. I think that's likely to lead to one persons influence on all aspect of the football side of the club - I dont agree with that. We need some consistency, yes. The youth teams should play like the first team to enable development but we need accountability falling below C-Suite. How I would do that - create new trading roles. DOF for under 21s. DOF first team, DOF recruitment (FT), DOF recruitment (Youth) DOF (coaches). You dont have to name them that but a second voice of experience on that board room table every Wednesday will certainly help in the current climate. Rudkin's role changes from control everything to see over - how a D should be. You have the women's team, men's, youth and below set out with structured deliverables and reporting into Rudkin quarterly on what is being achieved. Rudkin is responsible for delivery of all deliverables but he now has senior execs with accountability. It also brings in a buffer between Rudkin and the manager - removes any potential conflict/personal relationship. That is also 5 new salaries to the payroll - have we got the money for it. 3. The first team - Stowell - Goalie coach for so long. Davies - Brendan's man - is he experienced enough. Coaches - I seriously believe we need someone experienced next to him. This is the hardest thing to fix. Any one with an ego would struggle to accept a number 2 specifically brought in on the advice of your bosses but again looking in, it seems all the coaches are with Brendan but is there anyone to tell him it isn't working ? 4. On going projects - continue. If the finances have been arranged with the correct stress tests, we should stop development ever. It will benefit us either now or in the future. 5. Fans - fans are disillusioned - create a new C-suite role (because that role will step on toes) and carry out a full and frank assessment of the club over the last 18 months - see one above, can we bring in a specialist PR NED to assist with this ? The 5 points I have set out here could be criticised by another 100 people - it's a great debate on a fans forum and I'm sure many of us have held various board positions before but can we actually set out solutions without knowing the in's and outs? The problem is the club (again from the outside) is failing in so many departments. I mean they have gone from a top 6 side to one that this summer couldn't compete with its weakest competitor. The board remains the same - with that you're going to get criticism and that criticism is going to spill over to (as you put it) mud slinging - for that I can't criticise one fan. Its been very difficult to watch. Relegation could turn things more toxic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoken Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 24 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: 1) Sack Rodgers 2) Hire a manager that's atleast allowed to ride all the attractions at Alton Towers 3) Ban note-pads 4)???? 5) Profit 1 ) Keep Rodgers 2 ) Sack unloyal schizo fans 3 ) ban doughnuts and free beer, i dont want your political hush tactic to keep the fans happy 4 ) remove seats, and have standing only 5 ) Get a statue of Rodgers made holding the FA cup. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dames Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 1 minute ago, Simoken said: 1 ) Keep Rodgers 2 ) Sack unloyal schizo fans 3 ) ban doughnuts and free beer, i dont want your political hush tactic to keep the fans happy 4 ) remove seats, and have standing only 5 ) Get a statue of Rodgers made holding the FA cup. If I get the same severance as Rodgers lets do this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSi13 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 Just completely resigned to the inevitable. His head shaking at the boos and banners after the Palace game said it all. He's never sacking his mate. I just hope our story is sexy enough for an investor to come in and buy us once King Power is forced to sell us on the cheap next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 2 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said: Just completely resigned to the inevitable. His head shaking at the boos and banners after the Palace game said it all. Oh come off it! What do you expect him to do? Look happy that fans are booing? Join in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueSi13 Posted 6 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 6 March 2023 4 minutes ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: Oh come off it! What do you expect him to do? Look happy that fans are booing? Join in? Remain professional and remain neutral at all times. Even if you don't like your mate getting stick. Those with banners and those booing were his unhappy "customers" expressing their feelings. You don't have to agree with it, but respect it. In fairness we'll never know whether he really was shaking his head at the fans, but it certainly looked like it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 Huge admiration for Top but, as is being discussed on the youth team thread; the first team is in free fall and in very real danger of going down, the women's team is 2 points adrift of safety, the u21s are in the relegation zone. We also know the club have an issue with the wage bill and a huge rebuilding job on the summer..... basically none of the departments within the club are doing very well. As the owner and chairman, he has to either take responsibility or take action, preferably both as we're heading towards a bit of a disaster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 6 March 2023 Share Posted 6 March 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said: Huge admiration for Top but, as is being discussed on the youth team thread; the first team is in free fall and in very real danger of going down, the women's team is 2 points adrift of safety, the u21s are in the relegation zone. We also know the club have an issue with the wage bill and a huge rebuilding job on the summer..... basically none of the departments within the club are doing very well. As the owner and chairman, he has to either take responsibility or take action, preferably both as we're heading towards a bit of a disaster. I saw someone say it's not his fault because he doesn't really know football and it's actually his subordinates who are to blame, like a) he's not responsible for employing them and b) you need to have been raised on Match of the Day and Shoot annuals to know that playing badly, losing games and wasting money on shit are bad things for a football club to be doing. Edited 6 March 2023 by Guest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble92 Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 Been no free donuts this year either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 2 hours ago, Gamble92 said: Been no free donuts this year either Danny’s eaten them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeg67 Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tielemans63 said: Huge admiration for Top but, as is being discussed on the youth team thread; the first team is in free fall and in very real danger of going down, the women's team is 2 points adrift of safety, the u21s are in the relegation zone. We also know the club have an issue with the wage bill and a huge rebuilding job on the summer..... basically none of the departments within the club are doing very well. As the owner and chairman, he has to either take responsibility or take action, preferably both as we're heading towards a bit of a disaster. A serious question that’s inevitably going to sound disrespectful but isn’t intended to: why “huge admiration” for Top? What has he done besides being born into more money than God and and the son of a beloved father? I have nothing against the guy (apart from being AWOL as the club has cratered under Rodgers), but what has he actually accomplished - as in, himself? Edited 7 March 2023 by Deeg67 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 16 hours ago, Lcfc098 said: The main criticism of the chairman stems from the fact that it is ultimately his decision to change the manager. Fair enough, he might not think it's the right decision but he could at least come out and give the fans a message that he backs him to get us out of this instead of radio silence. There is also all the other issues such as treatment of fans at home/away games, pointless ticket checks, mandatory digital tickets and just the general running of the clubs day to day business where they don't treat us as fans whatsoever. It's not just started now too it's been going on for a long while but is only getting brought up now due to the situation we are in. And before you say it's not the owners job to take care of all of these things, firstly we were a much better run club under Vichai and secondly he decides who to employ. Like giving old crocs,long contracts.. Vichai passed before COVID…We don’t know what had happened,with both at the helm.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Away Move Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 The only thing that baffles me with Top is that he was the trigger happy one with Pearson. Vichai saved Pearson’s bacon. Also if we were ruthless with Ranieri then why not Rodgers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 7 March 2023 Share Posted 7 March 2023 6 hours ago, Gamble92 said: Been no free donuts this year either There's been a free drink on a couple of occasions. I find it absolutely baffling that fans use this as a stick to beat the owners with (not saying you are, just generally). As if Top and co are in a board meeting literally saying 'the heat is on us a bit, let's give out some free stuff, that'll make all the problems go away!!!'. They're not that naive or stupid in that respect. It's just a nice thing to do. You can hate the owners and still enjoy the free stuff simply for what it is - a free gift. There's no hidden agenda or ulterior motive about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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