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5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Just read the news that TAA, Bowen, Tomori and Ward-Prowse are out of the England squad for tonight's game. 

 

I wouldn't mind if Southgate was building a tight knit trusted squad that onnpaper might not be the best squad available but having harnessed a rare and unique bond it propelled us further than a dysfunctional squad of superstars who have no cohesion. The issue is, the former is no longer working. He's lost all respect when he's saying he will pick players on merit either through their club form or having been excellent for England and then he's still selecting muck like Coady or Walker over Tomori and TAA. 

 

Mason Mount has never had a good game for England, he's been poor for Chelsea since last season and yet he's one of those players that will always be in the squad regardless. 

 

His time is surely up for England. I've always struggled to agree with his negative tactics but I respected the way he took the England job and looked at how he could try and get them on board to show pride and passion. Then between the 2018 World Cup and the delayed Euro 2020 he made us even more negative after we'd shown some real improvement in that first Nations League when we beat the likes of Spain with an attacking 4-3-3 system. The Euros was brilliant, post covid the whole nation needed it and we all know major tournaments are built on being a well organised and tactical team but we were horrible once again in the crunch match vs Italy and issued our golden chance to write history.

 

We need someone who wants the job as much as Southgate has and takes seriously the credentials needed to build a squad that makes this fine country proud but he has to have the tactical ability and footballing mentality to play football that the nation can be proud of and utilise the wealth of attacking talent we have.

Mason Mount is overated. Can’t believe Maddison doesn’t play. He would be picked immediately if Maddison signed for Spurs. 

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(Already posted this in here - https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/130111-england-pre-world-cup-squad-today-2pm/page/7/#comment-6636210 but thought it suitable for this thread as well.)

 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-gareth-southgate-james-maddison-28078338

 

Gareth Southgate has highlighted England's lack of creativity

 

Gareth Southgate rubs salt in James Maddison's wound with England playmaker claim
James Maddison was left out of Gareth Southgate's England squad for this month's internationals against Italy and Germany - with the World Cup just a couple of months away


ByJohn CrossChief Football WriterTom BlowSports Writer
22:30, 25 Sep 2022
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Gareth Southgate has claimed England do not produce playmakers in comments which will not please James Maddison.

Southgate was asked about the qualities of Germany's Joshua Kimmich and the way he dictates games and said England do not have anyone similar.

England boss Southgate said: "In terms of the profile of players, we cannot buy somebody, we cannot generate somebody - we have got to make the most of the players that we have. That’s what we try to do - we try to find different ways of building from the back to allow us that lack of a playmaking pivot, if you like.

"At the moment, we don’t have that sort of player in this country. I don’t think we develop that sort of players well through youth football and through academies. Other countries probably have a little bit more focus on that.

"So we have players with other excellent attributes and we try to get the most out of that, and that’s what we did with Declan and Kalvin in particular in the summer. Jude is a different sort of profile for that.

"He is somebody who can gallop forward and take the game to the opponent in a different way. Yes, you’ve got to get the best out of the attributes of the players you have got."


Do you think James Maddison should be in the England squad? Let us know in the comments below!

Southgate has been criticised for not selecting Maddison. The 25-year-old has not played for England since making his debut in 2019, despite consistently performing for Leicester. He's scored three goals and produced one assist in the Premier League this term.

Maddison was also superb for Leicester last season, scoring 18 goals and providing 12 assists in all competitions. England, meanwhile, haven't scored a goal in open play in a competitive game since their 10-win against San Marino last November.

England's only goal since then was a Harry Kane penalty in a 1-1 draw against Germany three months ago. Southgate's side are in the middle of a nightmare run of form - losing 4-0 at home to Hungary in June and suffering a 1-0 defeat to Italy in Milan on Friday night.


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Harry Kane says judge England on what happens at World Cup as he makes "panic" claim
"A gentle reminder that England's most creative midfielder, James Maddison, was not in the squad of 28," tweeted Gary Lineker after the Italy defeat. "And England's most creative footballer, Trent Alexander-Arnold, sat on the bench getting splinters in his a***."

Speaking about his latest England rejection after Leicester's 6-2 defeat to Tottenham earlier this month, Maddison said: "The England stuff is not at the forefront of my mind at the minute when we're sat bottom of the Premier League... tough week."

He added: "I always have that belief [that I can get back into the squad] - I've always had that belief. That's why I'm standing here doing an interview for a Premier League club. I've worked hard to get where I am and that will never change. That self-belief is something I've had as a young kid. On the England stuff, we've just got to focus on the collective at Leicester... and hopefully that'll leave me in better stead on that front."

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He is an inferior manager, has not got a clue, in love with the big 6 and his favourite players who always let him down, he is to stupid to see it, along with his advisers, a total looser, boasting he has been involved 7 times in the top competitions, in one form or another and still is totally hopeless.

Why the FA want England to be the laughing stock of Europe is beyond me, sack him now, before we are embarrassed at the World Cup

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Just now, lcfc043 said:

And let’s not forget, Toney only got a call up because Rashford (after two good games) wasn’t fit. 

I love Toney as a player but can already see Southgate giving him one cap and then scrapping him for the World Cup. Southgate just won’t try anything different from the tried and tested shit he produces, funnily enough just like Rodgers.

 

The sooner that man is gone, the better for England. We have such a pool of talent in this country at the moment and Southgate is so far out of his depth that he won’t win shit with them.

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Strangely, a lot of similarities between England and Leicester at the moment. 

 

Both are dire and should be performing a hell of a lot better with the players we have.

 

Secondly, with the current managers, both are sleepwalking into obvious disasters purely because of a past success. Top won't part with Rodgers until it is completely untenable, partly because of the FA cup win.

 

Feels like the FA won't get rid of Southgate either purely because of the WC Semi and Euro final, even though its most likely we're going to have a disaster at this years WC, I can just see it. For me, ignores too many form players and players outside of the top 6, for his tried and tested players and those he loves. With the players we have as a country, it feels like these NL games should have been ideal for testing out new players, new systems, bringing through some more young players.

 

Instead he's picking the likes of Mason Mount who's been s***e, Maguire who's not been playing, playing Saka at LWB when he's been flying up front for Arsenal, playing Kyle Walker as a CB - seriously, I know he's quick and did this job well in 2018 and in parts but we've got some great young CB's, play them and try them out not stick a RB in a back 3. Southgate is a bottle job who doesn't want to upset any of the older/established players and we'll never progress under that kind of management. 

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32 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

Strangely, a lot of similarities between England and Leicester at the moment. 

 

Both are dire and should be performing a hell of a lot better with the players we have.

 

Secondly, with the current managers, both are sleepwalking into obvious disasters purely because of a past success. Top won't part with Rodgers until it is completely untenable, partly because of the FA cup win.

 

Feels like the FA won't get rid of Southgate either purely because of the WC Semi and Euro final, even though its most likely we're going to have a disaster at this years WC, I can just see it. For me, ignores too many form players and players outside of the top 6, for his tried and tested players and those he loves. With the players we have as a country, it feels like these NL games should have been ideal for testing out new players, new systems, bringing through some more young players.

 

Instead he's picking the likes of Mason Mount who's been s***e, Maguire who's not been playing, playing Saka at LWB when he's been flying up front for Arsenal, playing Kyle Walker as a CB - seriously, I know he's quick and did this job well in 2018 and in parts but we've got some great young CB's, play them and try them out not stick a RB in a back 3. Southgate is a bottle job who doesn't want to upset any of the older/established players and we'll never progress under that kind of management. 

Not just a bottle job, clueless

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Another view. - https://www.football365.com/news/england-absence-james-maddison-become-pirlo-modric-kimmich

 

In his England absence, James Maddison has become our Pirlo, Modric and Kimmich
Date published: Monday 26th September 2022 11:00 - Editor F365

James Maddison is just like Andrea Pirlo
James Maddison is a decent attacking midfielder but now we must all pretend he is a playmaker like Andrea Pirlo. FFS.

 

Madd about you
There is certainly an argument to be made about James Maddison getting another chance with England – though going to a casino after pulling out of an England squad with illness is the kind of thing that sticks in a manager’s mind – but Graeme Bryce of The Sun makes that argument in such a ham-fisted way that sympathy is in short supply by the end of the article.

‘Gary Lineker took to Twitter after England’s defeat against Italy on Friday night to issue a barbed comment aimed at the England boss.

‘The Match of the Day presenter wrote: “A gentle reminder that England’s most creative midfielder, (James Maddison) was not in the squad of 28.”

‘Instead, Southgate pinned his hopes on a midfield duo of Jude Bellingham and Declan Rice.’

Instead? You’ve just named two players who play in entirely different positions to Maddison. That’s like saying that England played Harry Maguire ‘instead’ of Trent Alexander-Arnold or Harry Kane ‘instead’ of Jarrod Bowen.

‘And looked to get maximum width from the likes of flying full-backs Reece James on the right and England’s Player of the Year, Bukayo Sako, on the left despite the fact he is currently operating as a right winger for his club.’

They were wing-backs. And it’s Saka. And the only left-backs in his England squad are not playing for their clubs.

‘Grealish is the go-to poster boy for England but, as Graeme Souness pointed out, he is too often mugged in possession and wins plenty of fouls without actually winning too many games.’

Can you be a ‘go-to poster boy’ if you have started one game in five? Over the last five games, 14 footballers have played more minutes for England than Grealish, including Jarrod bloody Bowen.

Does Maddison deserve another chance? Probably. Will that happen at the World Cup? Probably not. Is he a replacement for Declan Rice and/or Jude Bellingham? Is he f***.

‘It should be remembered that England were dumped out of previous World Cups by the maverick skills of Andrea Pirlo and Luka Modric.’

Somebody doesn’t know what ‘maverick’ means. And has patently never watched Pirlo or Modric play.

 

 

Playmaker…dream breaker
Some of the coverage of the decision to leave out James Maddison is just bizarre. He is a decent attacking midfielder but let’s not pretend that he is some kind of East Midlands Andrea Pirlo.

‘Gareth Southgate has claimed England do not produce playmakers in comments which will not please James Maddison,’ begins a piece in the Mirror.

What the hell have these comments, made as part of an answer to a question about Joshua Kimmich…

“In terms of the profile of players, we cannot buy somebody, we cannot generate somebody – we have got to make the most of the players that we have. That’s what we try to do – we try to find different ways of building from the back to allow us that lack of a playmaking pivot, if you like.

“At the moment, we don’t have that sort of player in this country. I don’t think we develop that sort of players well through youth football and through academies. Other countries probably have a little bit more focus on that.

…got to do with James Maddison?

Kimmich plays as part of a double pivot for Bayern Munich and Germany; in this season’s six Premier League games for Leicester, Maddison has played as a No. 10 v Brentford and Arsenal (he ‘ambled around’ v the latter, according to the local newspaper), as a No. 8 v Southampton (‘pretty anonymous’ in open play), in a free role against Manchester United (‘he was barely involved really. He was allowed to float about the pitch, but did not get into any pockets from where he could threaten. When those rare opportunities came, the final ball wasn’t there.’), on the right against Brighton (‘He gave the ball away for the second goal and generally played poor passes throughout.’) and from the right again against Tottenham, when he actually played very well.

Not once did he play in a two-man midfield and at no point was he a ‘playmaker’. Indeed, it sounds like he has played well exactly once in six Premier League games this season.

And yet…

‘Gareth Southgate rubs salt in James Maddison’s wound with England playmaker claim’

Either somebody does not understand what a ‘playmaker’ does or has decided to ignore the small matter of accepted football vernacular in search of clicks. We’re not sure which is worse.

 

Unpicking the statistics
To return to that Sun piece, Bryce writes that Southgate ‘needs a midfield craftsman to unpick that kind of double-bolted lock’. If we ignore the small matter of Maddison not really playing in midfield, let’s look at the list of English players who are creating more goalscoring opportunities from open play than the Leicester non-playmaker (ignoring those who have played just a few minutes) this season:

Jack Grealish
James Milner
Adam Lallana
Harvey Elliott
Phil Foden
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Harry Kane
Jadon Sancho
Jack Harrison
Harry Toffolo
Jordan Henderson
Dwight McNeil
Lewis O’Brien
Bukayo Saka
Jacob Ramsey

You could of course argue that it’s unfair to ignore dead ball situations so let’s look at those shots created by dead-ball situations. So let’s look at the list of English players who are creating more goalscoring opportunities from dead balls than the Leicester non-playmaker (ignoring those who have played just a few minutes) this season:

Jack Harrison
James Ward-Prowse
Kieran Trippier
Trent Alexander-Arnold
Eberechi Eze
Morgan Gibbs-White
Matt Targett
Aaron Cresswell
Reece James
Dwight McNeil
Bukayo Saka
Jarrod Bowen
Phil Foden

Why oh why is Gareth Southgate not picking Jack Harrison James Maddison?

 

How bizarre
Over at the Leicester Mercury, ‘Gareth Southgate’s bizarre claim that England do not produce playmakers has raised eyebrows after he overlooked Leicester City ace James Maddison for the national team’.

He is referred to by Justin Lawrence as a ‘midfield juggernaut’.

He might want to have a word with his Mercury colleagues who have awarded Maddison match ratings of 6, 5, 6, 5, 4 and 8 this season.

The only thing ‘bizarre’ about all this is the clamour for his inclusion and the pretence that he is some sort of playmaker.

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So Southgate who ‘plays players on form’ is starting tonight with both Maguire and Shaw, neither of whom are even playing in Man Utd’s first eleven.

And Sterling and Kane both play because, of course we don’t know what they can do in an England shirt…

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