Iheanacho

[VLC86]

Just now, marcymarc666 said:

Like I said he's a confidence player, you don't become crap in a matter of months. He's the perfect player for this system and manager, just disinterested 

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[Dahnsouff]

Just now, marcymarc666 said:

Like I said he's a confidence player, you don't become crap in a matter of months. He's the perfect player for this system and manager, just off form.

Tend to agree, but how long do we indulge him for? Its been arguably far too long already.

[JimJams]

10 hours ago, baldeagle said:

Yes it’s time he leaves but I don’t get the hate he gets or buy in to the clearly doesn’t care rubbish . He has always been unplayable for a few games then league 1 standard the next . Has never moaned kicked off pushed for a move when put on the bench or had only a few minutes . Didn't kick off when he was our most in form striker and got dropped. We wouldn’t have won the Fa cup if it wasn’t for his goals .,Yes he was poor tonight but I don’t buy into the he doesn’t care . 

It's the Berbatov factor! I don't think he's lazy, he's languid. I also don't think that he doesn't care. I just think people read into it what they want to justify their own biases. Basically any player in the last year of their contract that puts in a performance or performances below par are instantly being labelled as downing tools and wantaway. Maybe they just had a bad game, MAYBE they're just not that good? What about Kels time here says that this lull in form is down to attitude rather than ability given what we've seen from him during his time here? He has ALWAYS done this since he came here, he's had more bad spells than good too.  I also think he bizarrely plays to the level around him. I think if you sell him to Palace, he'll look a Premier League player, but equally if you threw him into a league one outfit I bet he doesn't pull up any trees.

[marcymarc666]

8 minutes ago, JimJams said:

It's the Berbatov factor! I don't think he's lazy, he's languid. I also don't think that he doesn't care. I just think people read into it what they want to justify their own biases. Basically any player in the last year of their contract that puts in a performance or performances below par are instantly being labelled as downing tools and wantaway. Maybe they just had a bad game, MAYBE they're just not that good? What about Kels time here says that this lull in form is down to attitude rather than ability given what we've seen from him during his time here? He has ALWAYS done this since he came here, he's had more bad spells than good too.  I also think he bizarrely plays to the level around him. I think if you sell him to Palace, he'll look a Premier League player, but equally if you threw him into a league one outfit I bet he doesn't pull up any trees.

Ha, love the last comment and probably true. For me, I think he's a sensitive guy and his head drops and then tries too hard and makes mistakes and he beats himself up about it.

But then again we'll probably never know.

[Leicester_Loyal]

40 minutes ago, marcymarc666 said:

Like I said he's a confidence player, you don't become crap in a matter of months. He's the perfect player for this system and manager, just off form.

You could persist with him for years, he isn’t good enough, he had a good spell but that’s about it. His lack of effort is ok when he pulls out something amazing, but that’s rare and what we lose by him strolling around the pitch isn’t worth it. 
 

Get rid, do not give him another contract. Sell in Jan if possible but I imagine he’s probably gonna run his contract down. 

[splinterdream]

Cannon must be rubbish in training because thought he was perfect for chasing ball down at the time Nacho came on, who offered nothing really

[lee7]

I really rate Iheanacho as a player but yesterday he looked really poor.

[Richmondfox]

Watching Nacho play is more predictable and frustrating than a JJ back pass. 

 

I feel he offers very little to the team at the moment. His lack of pressing is annoying and allows the opposition to start attacks off.  He will run towards them and stop 3 metres away and allow them to pass rather than carry on to try and force a mistake. 
 

Watch him for Ipswich’s goal, he was closer to the player receiving the ball than Casadei but he sprinted towards him while Nacho didn’t bother to move even when he got closer to Nacho he made no attempt. 

 

He is stuck in the competence builds confidence loop. His first touch isn’t going to get better, he isn’t going to develop a right foot and I doubt he will ramp up his intensity. 

[UniFox21]

3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Tend to agree, but how long do we indulge him for? Its been arguably far too long already.

Think it's time really. 

He looks disinterested, runs like he's weighed down with sand bags and just stands around the pitch. 

I'd offload to anyone who offers. 

[filbertway]

Ive been one of Kelechi's biggest advocates but its plain to see his head isn't with us anymore.

 

If it was he would be absolutely killing it at this level.

[ARM1968]

I think he’s switched off and moved on in his head. He is an absolutely unbelievable player on his day and SHOULD fit this system almost perfectly. He just doesn’t seem bothered and a couple of times last night he could have chased balls but just gave up. Sums him up at the moment. Unless his attitude changes I would just drop him even from the bench. Every substitution last night made us worse - even in terms of energy on the pitch. 

[Matt]

I'm a Nacho fan but the more we see of him the less I can stick up for him.

[cruzFOX]

We are all seeing it and so is the opposition. Surely Enzo sees it too?

if so why persevere with him? Take him out for a while and find another option quick!

nacho needs help, arm over the shoulder, a confidence boost! Something, anything to get his head back in the game. I thought he would love playing this season unlike last which was enough to make anyone miserable.

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

I dont think he has a future at this club, without a doubt he has given up and is not bothered

the Nacho lovers will always protect his corner but he was one of the players we all thought

would rip this tear of football to shreds however he hasnt so after another wasted year its 

time to get shut. 

[justfoxes]

He’s off in January that’s why he’s saving himself by doing as little as fuching possible !!

[trugerkem]

He has 3 good games a season …. Need to stop indulging him and get rid in January … think that’s 4 years in a row I have said that 

[oz was my hero]

Before the season started I thought kel would  tear this division a new one. Really thought he would  be up for it Especially after his reaction at Leeds end of last season. Unfortunately  I think he's  checked out. 

[deep blue]

I've been more for than against Nacho up till last night, but I thought his complete lack of involvement last night was disgraceful, showing complete disrespect for his teammates, the management team and our supporters. Just when we were flagging, needing an injection of energy and relief from their pressure by some pressing of the opposition defense, he comes on and just strolls around the pitch offering no intensity or commitment.  To me he almost looked to be trying to distance himself from the action.

[Sly]

Okay, since people are discussing the mythical goals and assist ratio per minute of Iheanacho in the other topic, I've run some updated numbers and compared him to Daka and Vardy (since 14/15).

 

Since 14/15	League Games		All Games
	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A
Iheanacho	211.23	125.31	175.44	112.13
Vardy	173.85	128.58	177.67	132.42
Daka	207.69	122.73	199.32	130.59

And this season

	League Games		All Games
	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A
Iheanacho	171.60	143.00	166.33	124.75
Vardy	148.00	126.86	139.71	122.25
Daka	91.50	61.00	98.00	65.33

 

Purely League Stats by Year:

 

Iheanacho

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	19	858	5	1	6	171.60	143.00
22/23	28	1119	5	5	10	223.80	111.90
21/22	26	1258	4	5	9	314.50	139.78
20/21	25	1456	12	2	14	121.33	104.00
19/20	26	962	5	4	9	192.40	106.89
18/19	30	917	1	4	5	917.00	183.40
17/18	21	823	3	3	6	274.33	137.17
Total	175	7393	35	24	59	211.23	125.31

 

Vardy

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	18	888	6	1	7	148.00	126.86
22/23	37	1851	3	4	7	617.00	264.43
21/22	25	1806	15	2	17	120.40	106.24
20/21	34	2844	15	9	24	189.60	118.50
19/20	35	3034	23	5	28	131.91	108.36
18/19	34	2720	18	4	22	151.11	123.64
17/18	37	3255	20	1	21	162.75	155.00
16/17	35	2808	13	6	19	216.00	147.79
15/16	36	3210	24	8	32	133.75	100.31
14/15	34	2271	5	10	15	454.20	151.40
Total	325	24687	142	50	192	173.85	128.58

 

Daka

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	6	366	4	2	6	91.50	61.00
22/23	30	1179	4	4	8	294.75	147.38
21/22	23	1155	5	3	8	231.00	144.38
Total	59	2700	13	9	22	207.69	122.73

 

[Dahnsouff]

That's great @Sly but do you have the eye test data for same period, just for those who prefer to trust their eyes rather than statistics.

 

[Tuna]

I reckon he starts tomorrow

[honeybradger]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

Okay, since people are discussing the mythical goals and assist ratio per minute of Iheanacho in the other topic, I've run some updated numbers and compared him to Daka and Vardy (since 14/15).

 

 

Since 14/15	League Games		All Games
	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A
Iheanacho	211.23	125.31	175.44	112.13
Vardy	173.85	128.58	177.67	132.42
Daka	207.69	122.73	199.32	130.59

And this season

 

	League Games		All Games
	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A	Mins Per Goal	Mins per G / A
Iheanacho	171.60	143.00	166.33	124.75
Vardy	148.00	126.86	139.71	122.25
Daka	91.50	61.00	98.00	65.33

 

Purely League Stats by Year:

 

Iheanacho

 

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	19	858	5	1	6	171.60	143.00
22/23	28	1119	5	5	10	223.80	111.90
21/22	26	1258	4	5	9	314.50	139.78
20/21	25	1456	12	2	14	121.33	104.00
19/20	26	962	5	4	9	192.40	106.89
18/19	30	917	1	4	5	917.00	183.40
17/18	21	823	3	3	6	274.33	137.17
Total	175	7393	35	24	59	211.23	125.31

 

Vardy

 

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	18	888	6	1	7	148.00	126.86
22/23	37	1851	3	4	7	617.00	264.43
21/22	25	1806	15	2	17	120.40	106.24
20/21	34	2844	15	9	24	189.60	118.50
19/20	35	3034	23	5	28	131.91	108.36
18/19	34	2720	18	4	22	151.11	123.64
17/18	37	3255	20	1	21	162.75	155.00
16/17	35	2808	13	6	19	216.00	147.79
15/16	36	3210	24	8	32	133.75	100.31
14/15	34	2271	5	10	15	454.20	151.40
Total	325	24687	142	50	192	173.85	128.58

 

Daka

 

Year	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Total	Goals per Min	G/A per minute
23/24	6	366	4	2	6	91.50	61.00
22/23	30	1179	4	4	8	294.75	147.38
21/22	23	1155	5	3	8	231.00	144.38
Total	59	2700	13	9	22	207.69	122.73

 

What do you mean by 'mythical goals and assists ratio of Iheanacho'? The stats that you have pulled up are good numbers for all of our strikers.

[gurru991]

I’m sure Enzo sees something in him & is hoping to bring it out but for me it’s too late. I don’t see any club paying good money for him in an AFCON year so we are stuck with him till the Summer & I’m guessing his agent has plans in place already 

[Gamble92]

What's so bizarre to me is how Daka didn't get a single minute for months. Was he really showing less of an interest than even Nacho has? Doesn't help for keeping him in Jan now he's picked up. 

 

I love Nacho and always will for the moments he's given us. I thought he'd be incredible at this level because he should be. But without the effort no one should play. Had enough of that last season. He isn't doing himself any favours for a decent move though either. 

[Sly]

6 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I’m sure Enzo sees something in him & is hoping to bring it out but for me it’s too late. I don’t see any club paying good money for him in an AFCON year so we are stuck with him till the Summer & I’m guessing his agent has plans in place already 

He was listed in the top 10 players ever for goals / assists in the Premier League. I was purely updating it. He isn’t bad, however clearly he’s not as good as Daka / Vardy this season. Something we all knew anyhow. 

 

6 hours ago, gurru991 said:

I’m sure Enzo sees something in him & is hoping to bring it out but for me it’s too late. I don’t see any club paying good money for him in an AFCON year so we are stuck with him till the Summer & I’m guessing his agent has plans in place already 

I think the only way he leaves is late in the window and it’s a loan out.