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K1FOX

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2 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I can't really take you seriously when you talk about enhancing chances of being gay tbh. 

 

People are born the way they are. I don't believe anyone 'chooses' to be gay any more than I believe people choose to be heterosexual. I haven't ever made a choice to be a hetero woman, it's just who I am. I don't choose who I am attracted to, either I am or I'm not, it's not a choice. The fact that I am only attracted to men is not a choice, it's just who I am. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don’t need to take me seriously. Studies say differently.

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1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

I can't really take you seriously when you talk about enhancing chances of being gay tbh. 

 

People are born the way they are. I don't believe anyone 'chooses' to be gay any more than I believe people choose to be heterosexual. I haven't ever made a choice to be a hetero woman, it's just who I am. I don't choose who I am attracted to, either I am or I'm not, it's not a choice. The fact that I am only attracted to men is not a choice, it's just who I am. 

I think it’s important to acknowledge that environment, upbringing, education all these things play some role. It’s absolutely not a choice, I completely agree with that, but it might be misleading to say people are ‘born the way they are’ or presumably there would be a series of genetic factors that would be much easier to pin down? Or at least, although the evidence that it’s not something we actively choose is there, evidence that it’s inherently in you when you’re born isn’t?

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Just now, Manley Farrington-Brown said:

Fair enough. Rephrase accepted!

 

Although from what I can see the conclusions aren't by any means as straightforward as 'Maximum 25% of sexuality is genetic, the rest isn't.'

Thanks. 
 

I’m sure it’s not that straightforward either, but we’ve moved on from zero choice in the matter. We all make choices in life which effect other things which we do on life. Other peoples decisions also have an effect. So in conclusion choices and decisions do play a part.

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Just now, Mark_w said:

I think it’s important to acknowledge that environment, upbringing, education all these things play some role. It’s absolutely not a choice, I completely agree with that, but it might be misleading to say people are ‘born the way they are’ or presumably there would be a series of genetic factors that would be much easier to pin down? Or at least, although the evidence that it’s not something we actively choose is there, evidence that it’s inherently in you when you’re born isn’t?

So wouldn’t you say that through environment, upbringing and education certain choices have to be made? Both by the individual and others around them which then plays a big part.

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1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

Thanks. 
 

I’m sure it’s not that straightforward either, but we’ve moved on from zero choice in the matter. We all make choices in life which effect other things which we do on life. Other peoples decisions also have an effect. So in conclusion choices and decisions do play a part.

Shall we agree at least that very little in life is straightforward?

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1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

I think it’s important to acknowledge that environment, upbringing, education all these things play some role. It’s absolutely not a choice, I completely agree with that, but it might be misleading to say people are ‘born the way they are’ or presumably there would be a series of genetic factors that would be much easier to pin down? Or at least, although the evidence that it’s not something we actively choose is there, evidence that it’s inherently in you when you’re born isn’t?

I'm far more inclined to believe that people's sexuality and gender are defined from very early on tbh, but I only have anecdotal evidence to base that on, and I'll be the first to admit I don't have much knowledge on the subject, only my friends and colleagues over the years.

 

I'm not sure how we would gather the evidence to prove that it's inherently in us when we're born, either, but it's certainly a very interesting topic. 

 

 

 

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So wouldn’t you say that through environment, upbringing and education certain choices have to be made? Both by the individual and others around them which then plays a big part.

I think the things people do influence other people yes. But I very rarely have an influence on the choice and actions of the people around me, and that’s true of everyone. My view is basically that sexuality (sexual preference, who or what we’re sexually attracted to) is probably down to a combination of some genetic factors, and some environmental and social factors. What I don’t think is that anyone goes ‘I’m going to be gay’, which seems to have been your position when we started talking about this? 
 

I never made a choice to find anyone sexually attractive in my life. It is just something that’s naturally happened when it’s happened. Whatever the genetic, chemical, environmental influences, whatever influence choices I’ve made leading up to it have had, the process of being sexually attracted to someone has never been an active choice for me. And I doubt it has for you? I don’t know anyone who has chosen to feel sexual attraction for someone and it’s actually worked, you either naturally feel it or you don’t. That’s why I have such an issue with your claim that people can just choose to be sexually aroused exclusively by one gender, rather than it being something that develops naturally in them.

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5 minutes ago, Mark_w said:

I think the things people do influence other people yes. But I very rarely have an influence on the choice and actions of the people around me, and that’s true of everyone. My view is basically that sexuality (sexual preference, who or what we’re sexually attracted to) is probably down to a combination of some genetic factors, and some environmental and social factors. What I don’t think is that anyone goes ‘I’m going to be gay’, which seems to have been your position when we started talking about this? 
 

I never made a choice to find anyone sexually attractive in my life. It is just something that’s naturally happened when it’s happened. Whatever the genetic, chemical, environmental influences, whatever influence choices I’ve made leading up to it have had, the process of being sexually attracted to someone has never been an active choice for me. And I doubt it has for you? I don’t know anyone who has chosen to feel sexual attraction for someone and it’s actually worked, you either naturally feel it or you don’t. That’s why I have such an issue with your claim that people can just choose to be sexually aroused exclusively by one gender, rather than it being something that develops naturally in them.

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree I think.


I stand by my claim that a man’s natural attraction is to a female and a females is to a man. Things that then happen in life, decisions we make, education we get, circles we socialise in etc etc affect the change that happens. 

 

 

 

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We’re just going to have to agree to disagree I think.


I stand by my claim that a man’s natural attraction is to a female and a females is to a man. Things that then happen in life, decisions we make, education we get, circles we socialise in etc etc affect the change that happens. 

 

 

 

 

Your claim is a massive load of shite

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I see what @K1FOX is saying and don't disagree with a lot of it. The only question I would ask is, you said everything in life is a choice, I'm kind of with you on that, do you choose to be a Christian, Muslim or do you believe you are born that way?

 

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2 minutes ago, Lcfcbl said:

I see what @K1FOX is saying and don't disagree with a lot of it. The only question I would ask is, you said everything in life is a choice, I'm kind of with you on that, do you choose to be a Christian, Muslim or do you believe you are born that way?

 

 

Given that humans existed for thousands of years before any of those religions were a thing  I'm going to go with no.

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2 minutes ago, Lcfcbl said:

I see what @K1FOX is saying and don't disagree with a lot of it. The only question I would ask is, you said everything in life is a choice, I'm kind of with you on that, do you choose to be a Christian, Muslim or do you believe you are born that way?

 

You’re born into a religion but only because of your parents and the family you’re bought up around. Throughout your life it’s your decision what you do. Many people change religions, many people choose not to follow it at all. Many factors influence this.

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"Natural" is an absolute. You're implying that there is one way that is natural, and another that is unnatural. The onus is not on me to construct a comprehensive argument for that position, it is on you. You can use bland, neutral language to package it all you want, that sort of bullshit is part of why people are still being abused, ostracised and killed for being who they are and you don't deserve to be indulged.

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6 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree I think.


I stand by my claim that a man’s natural attraction is to a female and a females is to a man. Things that then happen in life, decisions we make, education we get, circles we socialise in etc etc affect the change that happens.

I mean I think you’re inherently wrong, but I would ask you why you think it matters?
 

You have an issue with education about homosexuality in schools. But why? You must accept that there are always going to be some homosexual people? So why not let them know from the age they might start having those feelings that they don’t need to be ashamed of them? If it’s a concern that you think that’s going to make people ‘choose’ to be gay, why is that actually a problem? Why should it matter who somebody loves and is loved by?

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1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

You’re born into a religion but only because of your parents and the family you’re bought up around. Throughout your life it’s your decision what you do. Many people change religions, many people choose not to follow it at all. Many factors influence this.

Again, I don't disagree with a lot of your points, you'll get hate for it but I sympathize with a lot of your points. However, I believe that's slightly contradictory because you're not born into a religion, you've literally just said it's what your parents and family make you do. 

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1 minute ago, I am Rod Hull said:

Does Qatari law allow children`s tv presenters to put their fists up birds arses? 

 

I read somewhere that it has imposed a blanket ban on green jelly. 

 

3 minutes ago, I am Rod Hull said:

I am him.

I have suspected for several years now that we are dealing with an imposter. 

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1 minute ago, Lcfcbl said:

Again, I don't disagree with a lot of your points, you'll get hate for it but I sympathize with a lot of your points. However, I believe that's slightly contradictory because you're not born into a religion, you've literally just said it's what your parents and family make you do. 

Born into a family who follow a religion so in effect it’s the same thing. It’s not necessarily what your family makes you do. As with anything when you’re a child whatever influences are around you and what you’re exposed to is what you’ll pick up. People of faith will say it’s a blessing to be put into that situation.

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1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

Born into a family who follow a religion so in effect it’s the same thing. It’s not necessarily what your family makes you do. As with anything when you’re a child whatever influences are around you and what you’re exposed to is what you’ll pick up. People of faith will say it’s a blessing to be put into that situation.

I understand you totally, believe me. I hope you get my point too though.

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Wrong time to talk about any fit tranny vids you've scoped out on pornhub? 

 

Let's all just move on from this. The ball/boob tossing won't get those with opposing views anywhere.

 

Be happy, be gay, dont be gay...just be a good person always :)

 

 

 

 

 

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