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Is anyone genuinely going to boycott?

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4 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

In effect the proof is in the pudding? Currently there are hardly any gay people in sports? Are they all in the closet? Very big closet if so?

Not sure that would constitute scientific proof and peer testing. The same could be argued for Qatar say? There are less openly gay people in Qatar than England, therefore being born in Qatar means you are less likely to be gay. This is genuinely your chance to put an end to all this woke stuff. Find proper proof, not conjecture or hearsay like your other proof , and you can stop all of this. You’ll go down in history. 

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11 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

I mean it mate, if you can prove there are less gay people choosing to do sports you’ll shut me up. You’ll also put an end to all the rainbow stuff. You’ll be a hero. You should look into it. 

https://journals.humankinetics.com/configurable/content/journals$002fssj$002f38$002f3$002farticle-p310.xml?t:ac=journals%24002fssj%24002f38%24002f3%24002farticle-p310.xml

 

studies been done big lad, identifying as heterosexual, identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or another sexual identity is negatively associated with self-identified sports fandom. 

 

I still maintain the lack of out football stars is a direct result of how uncomfortable it is for both them and their teammates, the libertarians denying or mocking that should try asking their wife (or husband) if they mind them walking around in a women's (or men's) changing room!

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13 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

And FIFA have been significantly lobbied and protested against. The armband that the seven countries wanted to do, Denmark’s colour accented shirt. They know it has to go through FIFA. 
 

Some of the stuff I’ve listened from actual Qataris is they actually don’t want it over highlighting (LGBT and women rights) as they fear the backlash from their government 
 

Your second point is whataboutery. You are moving the goal posts. It goes back to what FIFA deem in their own hosting qualification. 
 

But it’s affecting enough to western countries, that the UK government feels the need to publish this on their website - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/qatar-information-for-victims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault/guidance-for-victims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault-in-qatar

 

I described elsewhere I know of a British lad who met a fellow ex Pat in Doha. She fell pregnant and they effectively had to escape without anyone noticing the pattern. 
 

Under the guise of FIFA hosting criteria, Qatar does not fit. That’s the objection - the objection of Qatar as a nation is a different thing and I understand the point of view that to a degree it’s their culture and their decision making (which is very funny really when it was still British protected until 1971)

 

The last reported use of lashings I can see is 2016. Probably in part because of the coverage in recent years on Qatar. 

 

Rules of Qatar are very simple. If you’re Muslim you live by the Muslim laws in the country. If you aren’t you follow secular law and will be tried differently. 
 

Fifa should never have given the world cup

to Qatar. By all means attack FIFA but respect Qatar and their rules.

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4 minutes ago, shade said:

https://journals.humankinetics.com/configurable/content/journals$002fssj$002f38$002f3$002farticle-p310.xml?t:ac=journals%24002fssj%24002f38%24002f3%24002farticle-p310.xml

 

studies been done big lad, identifying as heterosexual, identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or another sexual identity is negatively associated with self-identified sports fandom. 

Awesome thanks for that, will

have a read. Cheers. X 

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3 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Not sure that would constitute scientific proof and peer testing. The same could be argued for Qatar say? There are less openly gay people in Qatar than England, therefore being born in Qatar means you are less likely to be gay. This is genuinely your chance to put an end to all this woke stuff. Find proper proof, not conjecture or hearsay like your other proof , and you can stop all of this. You’ll go down in history. 

I don’t want to go down in history mate. How can you get proof or do research when there is hardly any gay footballers? What do you suggest as a form of research?

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2 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

I don’t want to go down in history mate. How can you get proof or do research when there is hardly any gay footballers? What do you suggest as a form of research?

well you can start with examining the interests of various people based on their sexuality and extrapolate out from there. simples. 

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7 minutes ago, shade said:

https://journals.humankinetics.com/configurable/content/journals$002fssj$002f38$002f3$002farticle-p310.xml?t:ac=journals%24002fssj%24002f38%24002f3%24002farticle-p310.xml

 

studies been done big lad, identifying as heterosexual, identifying as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or another sexual identity is negatively associated with self-identified sports fandom. 

 

I still maintain the lack of out football stars is a direct result of how uncomfortable it is for both them and their teammates, the libertarians denying or mocking that should try asking their wife (or husband) if they mind them walking around in a women's (or men's) changing room!

Can I ask genuinely, does this mean you think gay people should have separate changing rooms? What about the bi sexual? Does this also mean you believe gay people would feel uncomfortable being doctors? GPs? Cleaners in changing rooms? Should they be discouraged from any job where they might see a naked person of the same sex? Does this mean gay men should use female changing rooms? I’m genuinely interested, not being facetious. 

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1 minute ago, RumbleFox said:

Can I ask genuinely, does this mean you think gay people should have separate changing rooms? What about the bi sexual? Does this also mean you believe gay people would feel uncomfortable being doctors? GPs? Cleaners in changing rooms? Should they be discouraged from any job where they might see a naked person of the same sex? Does this mean gay men should use female changing rooms? I’m genuinely interested, not being facetious. 

Ok let’s flip it. 
 

Why throughout time have we had male and female changing rooms, toilets etc? 

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5 minutes ago, shade said:

well you can start with examining the interests of various people based on their sexuality and extrapolate out from there. simples. 

I thought we were talking proffesional

sport. I assume they’re not being asked their sexuality before being selected for said sport. Either they’re all in the closet or most of them are just not gay.

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2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

By “throughout time” you mean specifically in the west and within the last few hundred years? 

Sorry not throughout time but whenever they were bought in. Majority of the world have gender specific bathrooms and changing facilities? Why is this? 

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26 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

In effect the proof is in the pudding? Currently there are hardly any gay people in sports? Are they all in the closet? Very big closet if so?

If you mean the proof of the pudding is in the eating, there are a fair few gay women in professional football. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

I thought we were talking proffesional

sport. I assume they’re not being asked their sexuality before being selected for said sport. Either they’re all in the closet or most of them are just not gay.

Because throughout modern history we've falsely overestimated the percentage of homosexuals in society based on a flawed study by a very, very controversial gentleman.

 

https://mercatornet.com/why_do_we_wildly_over_estimate_the_proportion_of_gays_and_lesbians/17890/

 

Proper studies suggest between one in one hundred and one in 75 people may be gay, which would mean there's far less gay footballers than the media want us to believe, that are being forcibly kept in the closet by a bigoted society in which they have exactly the same rights as everyone else.

 

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3 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

Sorry not throughout time but whenever they were bought in. Majority of the world have gender specific bathrooms and changing facilities? Why is this? 

Predatory men? The patriarchy? Or you you could be right? Maybe it makes sense?  But using “throughout history” is never a good argument, the slave trade lasted for 400 years. I’m not saying you are wrong or right, but I find the “but we’ve always done this” argument redundant. 

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7 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Predatory men? The patriarchy? Or you you could be right? Maybe it makes sense?  But using “throughout history” is never a good argument, the slave trade lasted for 400 years. I’m not saying you are wrong or right, but I find the “but we’ve always done this” argument redundant. 

Throughout time was a stupid thing to say I agree. 
 

Imagine if we now made it a free for all, change where you like, unisex toilets. Because everyone is attracted to everyone. Would be utter chaos. 

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24 minutes ago, shade said:

Because throughout modern history we've falsely overestimated the percentage of homosexuals in society based on a flawed study by a very, very controversial gentleman.

 

https://mercatornet.com/why_do_we_wildly_over_estimate_the_proportion_of_gays_and_lesbians/17890/

 

Proper studies suggest between one in one hundred and one in 75 people may be gay, which would mean there's far less gay footballers than the media want us to believe, that are being forcibly kept in the closet by a bigoted society in which they have exactly the same rights as everyone else.

 

That website is a religious, right of centre one. I wouldn’t take everything it says as gospel. 

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2 hours ago, shade said:

can I address this issue of why there aren't openly gay footballers, and it's a genuine answer, not a flippant joke. homosexual men are attracted to men, footballers share changing rooms with other footballers and walk around with their majestic penises (penii?) hanging out. it creates a problem, both parties would feel uncomfortable, would you have females walking around in the changing rooms with naked men?

 

The narrative is pushed by the agenda pushers that footballers don't come out because of society, when really it's for their own, and their teammates feelings of ease.

Good grief.

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18 minutes ago, K1FOX said:

Throughout time was a stupid thing to say I agree. 
 

Imagine if we now made it a free for all, change where you like, unisex toilets. Because everyone is attracted to everyone. Would be utter chaos. 

Who’s saying that’s what we do? 

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2 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Who’s saying that’s what we do? 

Nobody but why not? Males are attracted to males and females are attracted to females as well as males to females so why the need for the separation? 
 

My question is WHY do we do it? Why has it been done for so long?

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1 minute ago, K1FOX said:

Nobody but why not? Males are attracted to males and females are attracted to females as well as males to females so why the need for the separation? 
 

My question is WHY do we do it? Why has it been done for so long?

I have no idea.   

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14 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

That website is a religious, right of centre one. I wouldn’t take everything it says as gospel. 

you mustn't have read it or are just shooting things down blindly that don't fit your personal ideology, it was quoting a wide government survey.

 

https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20160129144547/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/integrated-household-survey/integrated-household-survey/january-to-december-2013/sty-facts-about-lgb-community-in-the-uk.html

 

@RumbleFox I'm having to edit this in response to you because I've reached my daily limit of 10 posts! I know all about ADHD, my old man was an educational psychologist, one of the first people in the UK to push ADHD and diagnosed hundreds if not thousands of children with it, a specialist I suppose you could call him. I sympathise with you, but in fairness it doesn't stop you typing out long, coherent, thoughtful posts so it isn't that debilitating luckily.

 

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