Also in the News - Part 2

[StanSP]

8 minutes ago, Blue-fox said:

I think it is a scandal if I’m honest, but that is aimed at The Sun and not Huw

Agree with that. 

 

The Sun are an abomination. 

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

Depends whether or not  he knew the lad was a drug addict and that’s where the money was being spent. There’s something a bit odd about paying for porno pictures when it’s all free on the net. Why would someone do that? 

You can't be responsible for how someone spends their money. The fact the guy is allegedly a crack addict is not really relevant unless Huw took advantage of that. You buy something off eBay and the seller buys smack with the money. It is not your problem.

 

As for the £35k. Onlyfans allows people to request content from their favourite content provider and can offer to pay a lot of money for something specific. I couldn't imagine having a kink that I'd spend £35k on but I just need Google images and search for boob GIFs and I'm done by the third one.

[kenny]

31 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Let me guess, you’re anti-BBC and much like the Sun are trying to find a reason to attack them?

 

He’s in the news because of a nothing story, he’s done nothing illegal and because a newspaper who has it in for his employees decided to try and make something that should clearly be private not private. It’s seriously admitting defeat if you’re sacking someone every time a nothing story gets published. The BBC would be going through half its staff by next year with the way the current government and tabloids have been out to get them.
 

It’s just the Lineker story from a couple of months back all over again when the media and government tried to whip up a faux outrage against a big BBC name.
 

Your company can seek to do whatever they like but they can’t legally fire you with pretty flimsy wishy-washy pretexts of “reputational damage” if you’ve worked somewhere for 2+ years, they have to be able to prove it. They need genuine and just cause, being in the news for doing something legal is hardly “gross misconduct”.

 

I don't care for the Sun and have a fondness for the BBC. I think its lost its way a bit, but it offers things that no other broadcaster can.

 

Im certainly not attacking anyone or anything. (Except iplayer what an outdated piece of crap).

 

I just know what would happen in a professional capacity should my private life cause embarrassment to the company I work for. Were I in the public eye then it would be more understandable.

 

[Finnegan]

21 minutes ago, kenny said:

I don't care for the Sun and have a fondness for the BBC. I think its lost its way a bit, but it offers things that no other broadcaster can.

 

Im certainly not attacking anyone or anything. (Except iplayer what an outdated piece of crap).

 

I just know what would happen in a professional capacity should my private life cause embarrassment to the company I work for. Were I in the public eye then it would be more understandable.

 

 

But his private life hasn't caused embarrassment, a newspaper printing lies about it has. 

 

Unless I've missed an update, all he did was pay an only fans content creator? 

 

The only thing embarrassing about that is paying for porn when there's loads of it for free but apparently millions of people globally didn't get thag memo hence why OF workers can make 35k off one client alone.

 

If the police have seen the evidence that Sun did and quickly concluded there's no crime but the Sun thought it was sufficient to write that he'd basically acquired child porn then he should absolutely eviscerate them in court and his employer should stand by him while he does not cast him out. 

 

Edited 12 July 2023 by Finnegan

[Jattdogg]

Vestergaard stealing a living is a scandal, not this story

[kenny]

4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

But his private life hasn't caused embarrassment, a newspaper printing lies about it has. 

 

Unless I've missed an update, all he did was pay an only fans content creator? 

 

The only thing embarrassing about that is paying for porn when there's loads of it for free but apparently millions of people globally didn't get thag memo hence why OF workers can make 35k off one client alone.

 

If the police have seen the evidence that Sun did and quickly concluded there's no crime but the Sun thought it was sufficient to write that he'd basically acquired child porn then he should absolutely eviscerate them in court and his employer should stand by him while he does not cast him out. 

 

I hadn't realised that all of the allegations had been proven to be lies.

 

If what you have written is correct then yes he will have a field day in court.

 

I suspect there is some truth in the allegations albeit none that will be considered criminal offences.

[fox_up_north]

1 hour ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Hard to speculate really what's gone on because we don't really know. 

 

Some jobs an affair is sackable, the military for instance. Not that the BBC should if all it was - at worst - was an affair. 

Errrr...think you'd be sacking half the military if you went down that route

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Gross misconduct in what way? 

 

The worse thing he's done here is have an affair, which is a private thing? He didn't physically go out and get the kid the drugs did he? 

 

Understand these posts are before the latest allegation. 
 

Newsnight just reported allegations in him abusing his position/send inappropriate messages to junior members of staff. 

[fox_up_north]

Something I've just had to remind a friend of - he's in his 20s - is that there is a generation of people who have grown up believing it is morally wrong to be gay/ have feelings for the same sex. Not just unusual but absolutely wrong and, in some cases, illegal.

 

I find it more sad than anything. Nobody comes out of this well. Not Huw, not his family, not the young lad, etc. People can slate men (and some women) paying for porn when it's free but what they're actually paying for is the attention/ comfort. 

 

It may very well be that Huw had these discussions with his wife. I know of at least one married couple I have met where there was a facade being kept up for appearances.

 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Let's not take our eye off the ball here every one. We have had a prime minister who was probably an actual traitor among other ministers and ask the regions country can talk about things that don't actually matter.

Edited 12 July 2023 by Grebfromgrebland

[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Understand these posts are before the latest allegation. 
 

Newsnight just reported allegations in him abusing his position/send inappropriate messages to junior members of staff. 

Fair enough. Wasn't aware of that. 

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

Something I've just had to remind a friend of - he's in his 20s - is that there is a generation of people who have grown up believing it is morally wrong to be gay/ have feelings for the same sex. Not just unusual but absolutely wrong and, in some cases, illegal.

 

I find it more sad than anything. Nobody comes out of this well. Not Huw, not his family, not the young lad, etc. People can slate men (and some women) paying for porn when it's free but what they're actually paying for is the attention/ comfort. 

 

It may very well be that Huw had these discussions with his wife. I know of at least one married couple I have met where there was a facade being kept up for appearances.

 

The Puritanical attitude of many folks in the UK towards practically all matters sex is ridiculous and it's a big reason the Sun have been able to spin this into something that has gone on and on - both feeding and manufacturing public demand for ridiculous gossip even though it is highly likely no criminal act has taken place.

 

If it's consenting and adult then it's no one else's business. Companies, media organisations and assorted curtain-twitchers really should take note and maybe they might join society in the 21st Century.

[Jon the Hat]

47 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

The Puritanical attitude of many folks in the UK towards practically all matters sex is ridiculous and it's a big reason the Sun have been able to spin this into something that has gone on and on - both feeding and manufacturing public demand for ridiculous gossip even though it is highly likely no criminal act has taken place.

 

If it's consenting and adult then it's no one else's business. Companies, media organisations and assorted curtain-twitchers really should take note and maybe they might join society in the 21st Century.

I'm not sure its just the UK, plenty of older people all over.  Sky fairy types like to quote from a thousand + year old books as if that is relevant.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I'm not sure its just the UK, plenty of older people all over.  Sky fairy types like to quote from a thousand + year old books as if that is relevant.

Yep, pretty much everywhere Abrahamic religions have a serious foothold, which is rather a lot of the world.

[Jon the Hat]

4 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

Understand these posts are before the latest allegation. 
 

Newsnight just reported allegations in him abusing his position/send inappropriate messages to junior members of staff. 

A few social media comments.  What a non story this is.

Edited 13 July 2023 by Jon the Hat

[Tommy Fresh]

James Felton is going to have to write a new edition of Sunburn after this

[Raj]

10 hours ago, Sampson said:

Paid for some porn and messaged some guy on onlyfans. Sent a sweary message to some other guy threatening to out him as gay. 
 

May be wrong but pretty sure that’s about it in terms of what we know publicly. Not even accusations of doing anything with anyone or having an affair afaik.

Cheers Sampson.

Hardly crime of the century is it?

Is it really worth all the gumpf in the media last few days?

Suppose this is where we are at now...

[Tommy Fresh]

 

[fox_up_north]

I rarely share this but, about 10 years ago, I was exploring a journalism career after uni. Through contacts, I got some "work experience" (despite having a degree) at the Telegraph.

 

I was in the offices when they were chasing Cliff Richard. I watched a staff editorial meeting where they had photos of Cliff drinking champagne at a party in France, while his place in the UK was being raided. 

 

To hear some of the comments and suggestions made me feel deeply uneasy. I politely declined the rest of the work experience and never pursued anything down that path again. Completely changed career.

[Finnegan]

8 hours ago, kenny said:

suspect there is some truth in the allegations albeit none that will be considered criminal offences

 

I man it's probably true that he's a subscriber to this guy's OnlyFans yeah. But that's really his business. 

 

What the Sun have done is basically force somebody out in public. 

 

If it wasn't for the Philip Schofield story being so recent it probably wouldn't have had the same traction. The Sun were pretty obviously trying to ride that recent wave and cash in on drawing comparisons. 

 

But one guy groomed a minor and had then had an affair with them, the other just has a porn preference. 

 

If it turns out Edwards has done more than that then alright it might actually become public interest but right now? Absolutely atrocious reporting. 

[leicsmac]

8 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I man it's probably true that he's a subscriber to this guy's OnlyFans yeah. But that's really his business. 

 

What the Sun have done is basically force somebody out in public. 

 

If it wasn't for the Philip Schofield story being so recent it probably wouldn't have had the same traction. The Sun were pretty obviously trying to ride that recent wave and cash in on drawing comparisons. 

 

But one guy groomed a minor and had then had an affair with them, the other just has a porn preference. 

 

If it turns out Edwards has done more than that then alright it might actually become public interest but right now? Absolutely atrocious reporting. 

So, standard for The Sun then.

[StanSP]

9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

So, standard for The Sun then.

 

 

[leicsmac]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

It's always gratifying - if not nice in this case - to have your opinion about a person like Liddle confirmed.

 

He's always been inclined to treat women and girls as inherently inferior, among other questionable predilections, evidently.

[bovril]

Always a shame to be reminded of the existence of Rod Liddle

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, fox_up_north said:

I rarely share this but, about 10 years ago, I was exploring a journalism career after uni. Through contacts, I got some "work experience" (despite having a degree) at the Telegraph.

 

I was in the offices when they were chasing Cliff Richard. I watched a staff editorial meeting where they had photos of Cliff drinking champagne at a party in France, while his place in the UK was being raided. 

 

To hear some of the comments and suggestions made me feel deeply uneasy. I politely declined the rest of the work experience and never pursued anything down that path again. Completely changed career.

It's a shame (though unsurprising, given the publication involved) that that was your experience, as it's a total misrepresentation of what the majority of journalists in this country do and how they behave.