Also in the News - Part 2

[Wymsey]

Heard a doctor at a London hospital say that non-clinical staff should only get a 3% pay rise, at most, whilst clinical staff should get at least 30%..

Edited 14 July 2023 by Wymsey

[Daggers]

32 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Heard a doctor at a London say that non-clinical staff should only get a 3% pay rise, at most, whilst clinical staff should get at least 30%..

I’ve heard some teachers arguing that staff shouldn’t go on strike.

 

Some people are just fvcking stupid.

[kenny]

2 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I’ve heard some teachers arguing that staff shouldn’t go on strike.

 

Some people are just fvcking stupid.

My sister in law is one of those thickos.

 

For some reason she is happy with her salary.

[Daggers]

Dear society, grow the fvck up. It’s drink in a bottle. 😂

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-63861731

 

 

[foxile5]

19 minutes ago, Daggers said:

I’ve heard some teachers arguing that staff shouldn’t go on strike.

 

Some people are just fvcking stupid.

Lots of savior complexes going on in England schools at the minute.

[Blue-fox]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

I’ve heard some teachers arguing that staff shouldn’t go on strike.

 

Some people are just fvcking stupid.

Why are they?

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

Dear society, grow the fvck up. It’s drink in a bottle. 😂

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-63861731

 

 

What the....

 

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Blue-fox said:

Why are they?

I'll Google it for you.

 

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/its-more-than-just-pay-school-teachers-on-why-they-are-striking/

[urban.spaceman]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/14/rishi-sunak-force-english-universities-cap-low-value-degrees

 

****.

[Thefox81]

T***s

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66209578

 

Seven people have died and thousands have been forced to evacuate their homes due to flooding in South Korea.

A third day of torrential rain has caused landslides, power cuts, and damage to infrastructure across the country.

 

And the rain is forecast for another four days.

[foxile5]

10 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/14/rishi-sunak-force-english-universities-cap-low-value-degrees

 

****.

Curtailing the arts. Ring fencing education. Stopping the working classes engaging in culture. Utterly sickening from Sunak.

 

Anyone supporting these people who isn't of the landed gentry has a lot of explaining to do.

[Sampson]

10 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/jul/14/rishi-sunak-force-english-universities-cap-low-value-degrees

 

****.

This line depresses me especially. It's basically saying you're supposed to decide what you want to do for life at 16 and if you didn't choose or get the right grades as A-level, when you're still just a kid then you can't go back. We should be encouraging life-long education and encouraging people to retrain and go back to school at older ages in these times of rapid population ageing and at times where rapid technological change causes careers to become obselete far quicker, not discouraging it.

 

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"Foundation year courses offered by universities, aimed at students without course qualifications – especially disadvantaged or mature students – will also be subject to new limits,"

 

Edited 15 July 2023 by Sampson

[Leeds Fox]

17 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Heard a doctor at a London hospital say that non-clinical staff should only get a 3% pay rise, at most, whilst clinical staff should get at least 30%..

I don’t think this is unreasonable but could be implemented differently (explained in my 2nd para). In some branches of the Armed Forces, you can forego your ‘x-factor’ which removes 14.5% of your salary to ensure you don’t get deployed. Ideal for single parents who simply can’t deploy after life changes. They in turn get paid less than the people who can and will spend months away from home. Which is fair in my opinion.

 

Maybe in the NHS a better solution would be to give all staff the flat rate increase in line with inflation, with the ones at higher risk getting an additional supplement (including non-clinical staff if they fall into that bracket).

 

This may not have been worded how I wanted it to be, nobody should really be taking a relative pay-cut in the public sector when the situation has been manufactured by their leaders. 

Edited 15 July 2023 by Leeds Fox

[foxile5]

After months of shitty chicanery and technical law breaking I thought this current sitting government had lost the ability to surprise me with their behavior but it turns out not.

 

Make no mistake about it: the policy on higher education is an overt attack on social mobility and is in line with Pre WW1 conservatism - that is to say upper class rule and an attempt to drive the lower classes into servitude.

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

After months of shitty chicanery and technical law breaking I thought this current sitting government had lost the ability to surprise me with their behavior but it turns out not.

 

Make no mistake about it: the policy on higher education is an overt attack on social mobility and is in line with Pre WW1 conservatism - that is to say upper class rule and an attempt to drive the lower classes into servitude.

And using media, print and social, as a tool by which to do so.

 

It cannot be allowed to continue, for more reasons than the moral.

[foxile5]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

And using media, print and social, as a tool by which to do so.

 

It cannot be allowed to continue, for more reasons than the moral.

It's worrying isn't it?

 

And the current political and social climate makes it de rigeur to hear 'fascism' as a criticism of any policy you disagree with so to call it that would just seem as though generally disagreeing with it.

[leicsmac]

Just now, foxile5 said:

It's worrying isn't it?

 

And the current political and social climate makes it de rigeur to hear 'fascism' as a criticism of any policy you disagree with so to call it that would just seem as though generally disagreeing with it.

I've said it before, as someone rather keenly interested in the future, it flat-out terrifies me because with all our advances the current system with its inequalities and bigger ones being advocated for is simply incompatible with long-term human civilisation.

 

That's not just the various ecological stuff - though it's a big part - it's also the way the world is interconnected and advances in technology, too. The world has to change the way it governs and addresses this matter, or it will simply fall apart and we'll be left with Immortan Joe and his Warboys (but that fvcking flamethrower guitar might be worth it ).

[ian__marshall]

Re: University courses; firstly let me start by saying that no one should ever face any barriers to entry when it comes to educating and up skilling themselves and if that is the purpose of this policy then that is totally unacceptable. 

 

That said, the article above only looks at these plans from one perspective, i.e. by limiting the number of courses that offer limited economic value, and makes a the point that such plans discriminate against a cross section of students from very specific demographics who proportionally tend to enrol for such courses. 

 

There is however another argument that these plans will stop Universities exploiting these group's of people by offering very expensive courses with qualifications that have no tangible value to the eventual graduate. There's plenty of courses that have sprung up that aren't prerequisites for entry into the industries which they are marketed as assisting entry into. Universities too are notorious for overstating starting salaries upon graduation and often market courses based on the long term earning potential but don't differentiate earning potential between those with and without formal qualifications. This may lead some students to take on sizeable debts to cover fees and accommodation which aren't actually needed inorder to achieve their career aspirations. 

 

As mentioned already, if these plans are to restrict certain demographic populations from applying and undertaking higher education then I think this is very concerning. However if it's to slow down the number of universities exploiting people by offering courses of limited value with the knock on effect being that this in turn drives more into higher earning jobs in sectors which have a high demand for skilled professionals now and in the foreseeable future then I think this policy shouldn't be frowned upon. 

 

 

Edited 15 July 2023 by ian__marshall

[urban.spaceman]

2 hours ago, foxile5 said:

After months of shitty chicanery and technical law breaking I thought this current sitting government had lost the ability to surprise me with their behavior but it turns out not.

 

Make no mistake about it: the policy on higher education is an overt attack on social mobility and is in line with Pre WW1 conservatism - that is to say upper class rule and an attempt to drive the lower classes into servitude.

There's a reason nurses, doctors, junior doctors, ambulance workers, railway workers, airport workers, bus drivers, freight workers, barristers, baristas, BT staff, teachers, lecturers, postal workers, firefighters, ****ing DAILY EXPRESS JOURNALISTS, refuse workers and now writers and actors in the USA have all been on striker or have considered action in the last couple of years and in the UK/USA. 

 

We (the "lower" classes) have taken for granted just how much we've advanced in the last 100-150 years or so. Giving us the vote, and y'know, RIGHTS, was a HUGE mistake from the perspective of the ruling class and we have a very poor grasp of just how important that is and how recent out rights and freedoms are.

 

We talk all the time about women getting the vote in 1918 and for good reason, because they were given equality.

 

Except they weren't given full equality in voting rights for another 10 years. The vote was only extended to women aged over 30 with specific property ownership conditions ascribed to them or their husbands. MEN on the other hand, had all such qualifications removed from their right to vote; every man over the age of 21 was finally allowed the vote. Millions of the soldiers in WW1 didn't have the right to vote.

 

Look at the workers rights we've won thanks to trade unions in the last 150 years. Fair working hours, safe working conditions. Parental leave. Compassionate leave. Sick pay. Retirement. Holidays. ****ING WEEKENDS.

 

For me there's no coincidence in the explosion of popular culture in the 50 years or so after the second world war. Better education and better access to it, more leisure time and the ability to earn more money. Disposable ****ing income. Giving us the time and freedom to consider such "low value" pursuits like the Arts. Or travel. Or the humanities. Without the baseline of basic workers rights and our freedoms, we wouldn't have your Lennon and McCartney's, Jagger and Richards, your Michael Caines or Elton Johns, your ****ing Gallagher brothers, Ridley and Tony Scott, Alan Bennet, JK Rowling, ****ing ADELE. All those people were working class and yes, they all ended up pretty much mega rich. But their work is supported by the working classes doing their jobs behind the scenes. 

 

Brexit wasn't a mistake. The Cost of Living crisis isn't an accident. The Tories are not idiots*.

 

This is what they want. A disenfranchised working class without the education to understand how badly they're getting ****ed and with just enough intelligence and skill to work the "machines".

 

They need obediant workers who will do the hard work while they take the profits at the top.

 

It's imperetive for us all that we get these uppity bastards out of power and for GOOD.

[Sampson]

Seems like another Southampton legend has fallen down the rabbit hole 

 

 

 

Edited 15 July 2023 by Sampson

[Zear0]

5 hours ago, foxile5 said:

After months of shitty chicanery and technical law breaking I thought this current sitting government had lost the ability to surprise me with their behavior but it turns out not.

 

Make no mistake about it: the policy on higher education is an overt attack on social mobility and is in line with Pre WW1 conservatism - that is to say upper class rule and an attempt to drive the lower classes into servitude.

I'm sure it'll be equally applied to Oxbridge Classics courses too. 

[HighPeakFox]

I feel lucky to have had 2nd chances, through opportunity or my own native wit, or plain fortune. If I tried it all again from now, I'd be f**ked.

[leicsmac]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-66209578

 

Keeps getting worse over here. I've travelled through that underpass a few times.

[Dunge]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66213245
 

I wonder whether the last decent MP in the Conservative Party will turn the lights off.