Daggers Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Here's an idea - a politics sub forum that is hidden from the site and unmoderated where we can self moderate and causes nobody any grief who doesn't want to read it. Invisible from search engines, invisible to normal forum members. We've done the same on the site I work for, it works great. I can't use it due to work/forum identify conflicts. The problems caused here are almost negligeable, I can't see the problem tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said: Whilst I will have to respect the big banner we now have on this thread, surely some of the biggest news is politics atm? If people can't be civil can't they be removed from posting, rather than the topic itself? I'm thinking of sledgehammer and nuts for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marbles Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 41 minutes ago, bovril said: Key word being “Talk”. Maybe Mark should make anyone wanting access to a political thread, put up $20. They act a fool. Call someone names. Argue in bad faith. They lose the 20, and are booted until they put up another $20. I know a few around here would need to get part time jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparrowhawk Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 2 hours ago, FoxesDeb said: Whilst I will have to respect the big banner we now have on this thread, surely some of the biggest news is politics atm? If people can't be civil can't they be removed from posting, rather than the topic itself? You only have to respect things that deserve respect, and it clearly isn't a lack of civility that he has a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Does this qualify as news or politics or should it be put in the absolute ***** of our time thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 32 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Does this qualify as news or politics or should it be put in the absolute ***** of our time thread? I've no idea if this belongs here or not either? Strange times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 9/12 of current topics on the front page could be deemed as "political" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Mark, seriously mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 19 July 2023 Share Posted 19 July 2023 Also In The News in danger of redundancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 7 hours ago, Daggers said: Mark, seriously mate I guess he's taking back control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobHawk Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 8 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: Does this qualify as news or politics or should it be put in the absolute ***** of our time thread? Given some of the huge sums of money the conservatives have received from high profile russians, does that mean we can send them the bill for everything we have sent to the Ukraine? Because they must be held partly responsible and therefore foot the bill on grant schapps logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 The thing with politics in the news is that very little of it is actually newsworthy. We have the perfect storm of politicians (from all parties) playing the 'game' of politics, seeking to get one up on the next guy or girl to elevate or retain their status, a mainstream media full of journalists who find reporting on the 'game' easy pickings, and a public who are absolutely obsessed with the scandal of it all. In the grand scheme of things, probably 90% of the political news splashed across front pages is utterly irrelevant. Honestly, who cares if Grant Shapps writes an angry letter to Kier Starmer? It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but so often, this sort of thing takes the limelight away from genuinely newsworthy items. Unfortunately, the public, the media and even the politicians are too quick to jump on ANY topic and link it back to politics and start another round of finger pointing and blame. This forum is no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 11 minutes ago, nnfox said: The thing with politics in the news is that very little of it is actually newsworthy. We have the perfect storm of politicians (from all parties) playing the 'game' of politics, seeking to get one up on the next guy or girl to elevate or retain their status, a mainstream media full of journalists who find reporting on the 'game' easy pickings, and a public who are absolutely obsessed with the scandal of it all. In the grand scheme of things, probably 90% of the political news splashed across front pages is utterly irrelevant. Honestly, who cares if Grant Shapps writes an angry letter to Kier Starmer? It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but so often, this sort of thing takes the limelight away from genuinely newsworthy items. Unfortunately, the public, the media and even the politicians are too quick to jump on ANY topic and link it back to politics and start another round of finger pointing and blame. This forum is no exception. And all the time, massive things are either being missed or not being shown nearly enough attention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 15 minutes ago, nnfox said: The thing with politics in the news is that very little of it is actually newsworthy. We have the perfect storm of politicians (from all parties) playing the 'game' of politics, seeking to get one up on the next guy or girl to elevate or retain their status, a mainstream media full of journalists who find reporting on the 'game' easy pickings, and a public who are absolutely obsessed with the scandal of it all. In the grand scheme of things, probably 90% of the political news splashed across front pages is utterly irrelevant. Honestly, who cares if Grant Shapps writes an angry letter to Kier Starmer? It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but so often, this sort of thing takes the limelight away from genuinely newsworthy items. Unfortunately, the public, the media and even the politicians are too quick to jump on ANY topic and link it back to politics and start another round of finger pointing and blame. This forum is no exception. You'd hope taxpayers would, given it's a ridiculous waste of government time and money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 20 July 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 20 July 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, nnfox said: The thing with politics in the news is that very little of it is actually newsworthy. We have the perfect storm of politicians (from all parties) playing the 'game' of politics, seeking to get one up on the next guy or girl to elevate or retain their status, a mainstream media full of journalists who find reporting on the 'game' easy pickings, and a public who are absolutely obsessed with the scandal of it all. In the grand scheme of things, probably 90% of the political news splashed across front pages is utterly irrelevant. Honestly, who cares if Grant Shapps writes an angry letter to Kier Starmer? It's meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but so often, this sort of thing takes the limelight away from genuinely newsworthy items. Unfortunately, the public, the media and even the politicians are too quick to jump on ANY topic and link it back to politics and start another round of finger pointing and blame. This forum is no exception. And they've successfully desensitised people (maybe you) into believing that they're all equally bad, which is the scariest thing about what's going on. False equivalence is so prevalent and inaccurate. Edited 20 July 2023 by HighPeakFox 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 Just puts into perspective the scale of embezzlement from the Tories. It's apt that the firm used for the barges also made slave ships back in the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 34 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Just puts into perspective the scale of embezzlement from the Tories. It's apt that the firm used for the barges also made slave ships back in the day. You simply have to laugh, eh. It’s too mad for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 29 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Just puts into perspective the scale of embezzlement from the Tories. It's apt that the firm used for the barges also made slave ships back in the day. It just shows, it's time that the cabinet ministers stopped negotiating all these contracts themselves and got the Civil Service involved. If only they had half a million or so employees to help out, I think this shows more how incompetent the Civil Service as a whole is, to allow this sort of waste. HS2 is another example - they're expecting to pay about 8 times the cost per mile of what France pays for its high speed rail. And I don't expect that cost will immediately drop by 7/8ths when Starmer gets in. As for it being apt that the migrant shipbuilder used to build slave ships - it's isn't apt. It is totally irrelevant. It's as irrelevant as if I point out that Marina Purkiss is descended from people who owned or dealt in slaves, which she certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 35 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: Just puts into perspective the scale of embezzlement from the Tories. It's apt that the firm used for the barges also made slave ships back in the day. All about pleasing the racists... couple of years ago the conservatives in Oz, spent 185 Million dollars to ropen a detention centre on Xmas island... only to close it 6 weeks later without it taking a SINGLE refugee... the photo op was worth it for the criminals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 48 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said: It just shows, it's time that the cabinet ministers stopped negotiating all these contracts themselves and got the Civil Service involved. If only they had half a million or so employees to help out, I think this shows more how incompetent the Civil Service as a whole is, to allow this sort of waste. HS2 is another example - they're expecting to pay about 8 times the cost per mile of what France pays for its high speed rail. And I don't expect that cost will immediately drop by 7/8ths when Starmer gets in. I think the Civil Service should have been involved, but I blame the Civil Service. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 Or to further translate, I blame the Government, but it's definitely not their fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 38 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: I think the Civil Service should have been involved, but I blame the Civil Service. Sorry, I should remember to post a smiley when I use irony. My point was that the deal wouldn't have been negotiated by a single cabinet minister, there would be senior civil servants involved, and they should not have sign off (or advise the minister to sign off) on a ridiculously expensive deal. Marina Purkiss hasn't quoted who was given the contract, so presumably it wasn't a minister or his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 5 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said: Sorry, I should remember to post a smiley when I use irony. My point was that the deal wouldn't have been negotiated by a single cabinet minister, there would be senior civil servants involved, and they should not have sign off (or advise the minister to sign off) on a ridiculously expensive deal. Marina Purkiss hasn't quoted who was given the contract, so presumably it wasn't a minister or his family. Fair enough - it wasn't all that obvious to me, which may be my fault. However, the business of blaming anyone but the govt seems to be a consistent pattern to some people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 20 July 2023 Share Posted 20 July 2023 3 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: Fair enough - it wasn't all that obvious to me, which may be my fault. However, the business of blaming anyone but the govt seems to be a consistent pattern to some people. As does the concept of blaming the government for everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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