Jon the Hat Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 6 hours ago, leicsmac said: Across all sports, even chess? With respect, no one knows anything of the sort. Chess isn’t a sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 5 hours ago, The Doctor said: Yes potential. Whether trans women maintain an athletic advantage (since transfeminine bodies on HRT are not equivalent to male bodies) is complicated. Take Lia Thomas as an a high profile example, her record competing in the mens 500 free style prior to HRT was 4:18.72, 105.0% of the record time (4:06.32), and podiumed. She plummeted to 400 rankings competing in men's swimming while on HRT then swimming in women's, podiumed with a 500 freestyle time of 4:33.24, 103.5% of the women's record finish (4:24.06). Now, is that slightly better relative finish because she still maintains some biological advantage or is it because she's a couple of years older and more experienced. The proportion of trans athletes is much smaller than the proportion of trans people in society as a whole, is that because the reduction in performance associated with HRT makes them uncompetitive or because of structural obstacles meaning less trans people want to pursue sports. studies into reductions in athletic performance, or more specifically attributes believed to correlate to athletic performance, show slight differences that don't then play out in practice, is it because these attributes don't correlate as neatly as we think, or is it a limitation of study length meaning the full reduction in performance isn't achieved during the study period? this is a far more complicated topic than you make out. You are making it complicated when it isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Chess isn’t a sport. It is according to the Olympic committee apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 7 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: It is according to the Olympic committee apparently Yeah and about a thousand other sports aren’t. Look I’m not arguing every sport requires sex segregation. See some equestrian sports manage very well without it, but many do and they should protect it. Who nows what chess are up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 21 August 2023 Author Share Posted 21 August 2023 Dread to imagine what the records of the deceased babies contained that were kept in Letby's bedroom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 7 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Dread to imagine what the records of the deceased babies contained that were kept in Letby's bedroom... Probably nothing more than the official records as documented by the hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 23 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: You are making it complicated when it isn’t. Not at all, it is complicated unless you take a dogmatic "science of trans bodies doesn't matter" position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 21 August 2023 Author Share Posted 21 August 2023 25 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Probably nothing more than the official records as documented by the hospital. Probably. But I meant her scrap notes where she allegedly says shocking stuff about the incidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said: It is according to the Olympic committee apparently Chess isn't a sport. Neither is tennis or golf. Or baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 Cricket isn't a sport either. Anything that has to stop for lunch, tea, or a bit of light drizzle is not a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 8 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Cricket isn't a sport either. Anything that has to stop for lunch, tea, or a bit of light drizzle is not a sport. What about facing a 90 mph fast bowler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
String fellow Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 Sport:- A game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill, done according to rules, for enjoyment or as a job. Cricket, tennis and golf undoubtedly fit the dictionary definition, but perhaps not snooker or darts and definitely not chess, unless moving the pieces counts as physical effort. Blasting the brains out of pheasants isn't my idea of 'sport' either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said: What about facing a 90 mph fast bowler That's the weird thing about cricket. Someone pinging a cricket ball at 90mph at your head is ok. But (oh noes!) a bit of light drizzle and they're off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 21 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Cricket isn't a sport either. Anything that has to stop for lunch, tea, or a bit of light drizzle is not a sport. It's a sport. There are 11 men / women on a field and a ball. Textbook sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 minute ago, bovril said: It's a sport. There are 11 men / women on a field and a ball. Textbook sport. At any one time 9 of them are sat in the pavilion eating cucumber sandwiches and Maude's victoria sponge cake. Not a sport. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 14 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: At any one time 9 of them are sat in the pavilion eating cucumber sandwiches and Maude's victoria sponge cake. Not a sport. Sorry. You must be the true jester from Leicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 minute ago, Foxdiamond said: You must be the true jester from Leicester I'm just in a mischievously trollish mood this evening. I like cricket really. Of course it's a sport. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 Cucumber sandwiches? Just cucumber and bread? What the hell that can’t be real lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
String fellow Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: At any one time 9 of them are sat in the pavilion eating cucumber sandwiches and Maude's victoria sponge cake. Not a sport. Sorry. Would it be a sport if they were swigging beer? There's absolutely nothing wrong with cucumber sandwiches or sponge cake. Just thinking about cucumber in vinegar makes my mouth water, like Pavlov's dogs salivating when hearing a bell. Conditioning can infliuence much in life - even moaning about something that might be regarded as middle class! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 21 August 2023 Share Posted 21 August 2023 1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: 9 of them eating Maude's victoria sponge Ooh er 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 22 August 2023 Share Posted 22 August 2023 7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Yeah and about a thousand other sports aren’t. Look I’m not arguing every sport requires sex segregation. See some equestrian sports manage very well without it, but many do and they should protect it. Who nows what chess are up to. Thank you for clarifying your position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 22 August 2023 Share Posted 22 August 2023 14 hours ago, String fellow said: Sport:- A game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill, done according to rules, for enjoyment or as a job. Cricket, tennis and golf undoubtedly fit the dictionary definition, but perhaps not snooker or darts and definitely not chess, unless moving the pieces counts as physical effort. Blasting the brains out of pheasants isn't my idea of 'sport' either. Basically a lot of sports that get added that just the Americans play so they can dominate the medal table. Soon sports like cricket, snooker and darts get added their doomed. A lot more countries play cricket than rounders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 22 August 2023 Share Posted 22 August 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, The Doctor said: Not at all, it is complicated unless you take a dogmatic "science of trans bodies doesn't matter" position. Most males have a physiological advantage over most females in most sports. That is enough to segregate sports by sex. Gender is irrelevant. Edited 22 August 2023 by Jon the Hat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXYTALK Posted 22 August 2023 Share Posted 22 August 2023 Should the England women be rewarded/recognised for their football efforts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted 22 August 2023 Share Posted 22 August 2023 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: Most males have a physiological advantage over most females in most sports. That is enough to segregate sports by sex. Gender is irrelevant. Trans women on hormone therapy and cis men are not biologically equivalent and cannot be cross compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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