Also in the News - Part 2

[Guest Sideshow Faes]

4 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/nhs-workforce-statistics/january-2022#:~:text=Professionally qualified clinical staff make,645%2C309 FTE in January 2022.

 

I've seen the 52% on a more detailed financial report as well.

 

As for the list of staff, if you tell me that every single person employed in every single department is indispensable, then I don't have information to contradict you.  I don't, however, recall any post suggesting that entire departments need to be closed as the only was of cutting staff.  I can't see where you got that impression from.

 

There is still the broad brush, top level, question.  If money going into the system is increasing (which it is) and the money spent at the business end is decreasing (which it appears to be), then there is a black hole somewhere.  It need plugging.

 

 

The black hole is demand.

[Guest Sideshow Faes]

4 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Senior management reinstated Letby onto the maternity ward after she was suspended at the insistence of the doctors.  Were those "senior management" people all practising doctors and other medical staff?  

Highly likely so.

 

Nurses have a management structure of nurses. That structure goes all the way up to the top of the organisation. 

 

There's usually one manager that isn't clinical within a unit - a general manager - but they wouldn't be involved in assessing clinical concerns which is what we're talking about. I would be absolutely amazed if the managers involved weren't clinical (supported by HR to navigate any disciplinary policies etc as in any org). 

 

Your summary suggests doctors raised concerns, which would've been reviewed and possibly investigated by nursing clinical management, likely with the involvement of patient safety and safeguarding teams which are also made up of clinically trained staff (i.e nurses), who presumably decided there wasn't the evidence to take action. Nobody without a clinical background would make judgements on clinical practice. 

Edited 10 September 2023 by Sideshow Faes

[RobHawk]

"most parliamentary researchers aren't Chinese spies"

[urban.spaceman]

Well done everyone - we made it to 200 pages without being deleted 

[Daggers]

Mods for 200 pages...

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

11 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Well done everyone - we made it to 200 pages without being deleted 

Its a miracle!

[ozleicester]

50 years since the USA overthrows and kills an elected Socialist Leader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/photography/interactive/2023/stamp-photos-pinochet-coup-anniversary/

Edited 11 September 2023 by ozleicester

[Jon the Hat]

5 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

50 years since the USA overthrows, removes and Murders an elected Socialist Leader.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/photography/interactive/2023/stamp-photos-pinochet-coup-anniversary/

I think somewhat overstating their role there, but they certainly supported Pinochet and helped create the conditions for him to succeed.  What happened economically after he took power "The Chilean Miracle" was a case study in Western influenced economic overhaul which had far reaching impacts globally.

[leicsmac]

32 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think somewhat overstating their role there, but they certainly supported Pinochet and helped create the conditions for him to succeed.  What happened economically after he took power "The Chilean Miracle" was a case study in Western influenced economic overhaul which had far reaching impacts globally.

.... just a shame about the poor buggers lobbed out of helicopters with no due process, really.

 

Still, omelette and eggs, right?

[marbles]

14 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Well done everyone - we made it to 200 pages without being deleted 

Reported!

[Jon the Hat]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

.... just a shame about the poor buggers lobbed out of helicopters with no due process, really.

 

Still, omelette and eggs, right?

I didn't say it had positive effects, quite the opposite, and the way it was done was horrific, and not just in Chile either.  A stain on the history of capitalism.

[ozleicester]

2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think somewhat overstating their role there, but they certainly supported Pinochet and helped create the conditions for him to succeed.  What happened economically after he took power "The Chilean Miracle" was a case study in Western influenced economic overhaul which had far reaching impacts globally.

"The Chilean Miracle" - Myth

https://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1994/08/mm0894_12.html

[Jon the Hat]

4 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

"The Chilean Miracle" - Myth

https://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1994/08/mm0894_12.html

Yes hence the quotation marks.  A huge amount of spin as the "miracle" was in reality built on a massive giveaway of state assets underpinned by almost forced labour where anyone speaking for their rights was deemed a political enemy of the state and imprisoned, tortured or murdered.  Like going back to the worst of the early days of the industrial revolution writ large.

[Daggers]

[Bellend Sebastian]

Here's an exciting first - me agreeing with Suella Braverman on something:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/xl-bully-dogs-suella-braverman-ban-girl-mauled-birmingham-2607165

 

I was only vaguely aware of this breed but only last week I was driving past Braunstone Park and one ran across the road in front of me, trailing a lead but no owner.

 

Seconds later, a panic stricken bloke appears with another dog of the same type, still on the lead, which is pretty much dragging HIM along in pursuit of its mate.

 

He was not a big guy. I'm not aware that this ended in anything bad happening but I think we've probably identified a strong candidate for the next individual to be in the news for being inexplicably killed and eaten by a beloved family pet.

 

If you've not seen one of these dogs before (and I hadn't) they're f***ing MASSIVE - both really muscular and with a big frame. Apparently they can weigh up to 70kg and I can easily believe the two I saw weighed at least that, and that the bloke trying to walk them about the same. What could possibly go wrong?

 

 

 

[Jon the Hat]

18 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Here's an exciting first - me agreeing with Suella Braverman on something:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/xl-bully-dogs-suella-braverman-ban-girl-mauled-birmingham-2607165

 

I was only vaguely aware of this breed but only last week I was driving past Braunstone Park and one ran across the road in front of me, trailing a lead but no owner.

 

Seconds later, a panic stricken bloke appears with another dog of the same type, still on the lead, which is pretty much dragging HIM along in pursuit of its mate.

 

He was not a big guy. I'm not aware that this ended in anything bad happening but I think we've probably identified a strong candidate for the next individual to be in the news for being inexplicably killed and eaten by a beloved family pet.

 

If you've not seen one of these dogs before (and I hadn't) they're f***ing MASSIVE - both really muscular and with a big frame. Apparently they can weigh up to 70kg and I can easily believe the two I saw weighed at least that, and that the bloke trying to walk them about the same. What could possibly go wrong?

I think the issue is you can get any number of breeds that big, and if you don't treat them and train them properly they are capable of harm.  More serious punishment for people - if your dog injures someone you are prosecuted as if you did it with a say a vehicle, or perhaps with a weapon.

[st albans fox]

23 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think the issue is you can get any number of breeds that big, and if you don't treat them and train them properly they are capable of harm.  More serious punishment for people - if your dog injures someone you are prosecuted as if you did it with a say a vehicle, or perhaps with a weapon.

👏 👏 

 

imo, an aggressive dog capable of causing harm because it’s been trained that way is no different to a gun or a knife 

 

all breeds of dog can ‘go off on one’ - mental illness is not restricted to humans 

 

it’s a problem for society that needs addressing 

[st albans fox]

19 hours ago, RobHawk said:

"most parliamentary researchers aren't Chinese spies"

Do we believe that there are no British spies in China ???

[lcfcsnow]

55 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Here's an exciting first - me agreeing with Suella Braverman on something:

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/xl-bully-dogs-suella-braverman-ban-girl-mauled-birmingham-2607165

 

I was only vaguely aware of this breed but only last week I was driving past Braunstone Park and one ran across the road in front of me, trailing a lead but no owner.

 

Seconds later, a panic stricken bloke appears with another dog of the same type, still on the lead, which is pretty much dragging HIM along in pursuit of its mate.

 

He was not a big guy. I'm not aware that this ended in anything bad happening but I think we've probably identified a strong candidate for the next individual to be in the news for being inexplicably killed and eaten by a beloved family pet.

 

If you've not seen one of these dogs before (and I hadn't) they're f***ing MASSIVE - both really muscular and with a big frame. Apparently they can weigh up to 70kg and I can easily believe the two I saw weighed at least that, and that the bloke trying to walk them about the same. What could possibly go wrong?

 

 

 

I was delivering a parcel last week and pretty sure it was one of these that jumped out of an open window and was barking at me and wasn't happy at all, took about 20 seconds for his owners to get the dog back inside. Proper scared me

[Daggers]

When I was 15, I had a job washing pots at the village pub. I’d have to call them every shift from the pay phone because their Rottweiler would be guarding the car park. Any dog that can snap your arm off can fvck off imo.

[Grebfromgrebland]

12 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Do we believe that there are no British spies in China ???

I think the issue is that everyone know this person was aspy for a long time and nothing was done about it. 

 

Just like Cummins, Johnson, braverman, sunak etc are working mainly for US, Russian and middle Eastern interests rather than our own and no one really discuss it officially.

 

They're all traitors and in normal society would be in prison.

[HighPeakFox]

19 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Well done everyone - we made it to 200 pages without being deleted 

Perhaps if I join in we can change that... 

[Raj]

8 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Perhaps if I join in we can change that... 

MODS!

[Footballwipe]

Have you seen the "dog crowd" on the internet, though? Anytime someone dies or is injured by a dog it's the classic "it's the owner that's the problem not the dog."

 

There was an article the Merc published about an Akita being put down after ripping someone's cheek off. One lady in the comments said "RIP" to the dog because Akitas are guard dogs and it was basically doing its job whilst also warning people should never crouch down to a dog. What is wrong with these people?

 

Dangerous dogs are just that, they're dangerous. I suspect aside from being fashionable and to show off they're owned by owners for the exact purpose of being protection. They're so unnecessary and ridiculous but it's exceptionally hard to police.

 

I completely accept that owners should shoulder the responsibility, especially if they're bought up badly, and aside from the dog being destroyed, any owner whose dog injures or kills someone should face automatic criminal prosecution. Your pet, your responsibility.

 

More people will be injured, more people will die and people will continue to say it's the owners' fault - when in fact they shouldn't be on the streets at all.

[Jon the Hat]

12 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

I think the issue is that everyone know this person was aspy for a long time and nothing was done about it. 

 

Just like Cummins, Johnson, braverman, sunak etc are working mainly for US, Russian and middle Eastern interests rather than our own and no one really discuss it officially.

 

They're all traitors and in normal society would be in prison.

So much nonsense in one post!  Well done.