Also in the News - Part 2

[ClaphamFox]

15 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Have you seen the "dog crowd" on the internet, though? Anytime someone dies or is injured by a dog it's the classic "it's the owner that's the problem not the dog."

 

There was an article the Merc published about an Akita being put down after ripping someone's cheek off. One lady in the comments said "RIP" to the dog because Akitas are guard dogs and it was basically doing its job whilst also warning people should never crouch down to a dog. What is wrong with these people?

 

Dangerous dogs are just that, they're dangerous. I suspect aside from being fashionable and to show off they're owned by owners for the exact purpose of being protection. They're so unnecessary and ridiculous but it's exceptionally hard to police.

 

I completely accept that owners should shoulder the responsibility, especially if they're bought up badly, and aside from the dog being destroyed, any owner whose dog injures or kills someone should face automatic criminal prosecution. Your pet, your responsibility.

 

More people will be injured, more people will die and people will continue to say it's the owners' fault - when in fact they shouldn't be on the streets at all.

Yes, it's just a variant of the 'guns don't kill people, people do' argument. Both are false dichotomies, and equally ridiculous. Yes, pet owners owners are ultimately responsible for the behaviour of their dogs, but as there is ultimately no way of preventing irresponsible people from owning dangerous dogs, banning dangerous dogs is the logical thing to do. There is no justification for having dogs that are bred to attack on our streets.

Edited 11 September 2023 by ClaphamFox

[westernpark]

XL Bully is a dog like no other. It has been engineered to damage others, whether dog, animal or human. Any dog can bite, but being bitten by a Labrador or XL Bully is two different things. I’m a dog person, have a large dog, very comfortable around animals, ridden horses from a young age, dealt with cows and other animals, but these XL Bullys scare the life out of me. I now walk my dog at a different time to avoid these animals, they are killers and Legislation needs to be introduced. Every dog has the potential to be nasty, even if it’s well trained and socialised, but these have the potential to kill within 30 seconds. 

[Foxdiamond]

15 minutes ago, westernpark said:

XL Bully is a dog like no other. It has been engineered to damage others, whether dog, animal or human. Any dog can bite, but being bitten by a Labrador or XL Bully is two different things. I’m a dog person, have a large dog, very comfortable around animals, ridden horses from a young age, dealt with cows and other animals, but these XL Bullys scare the life out of me. I now walk my dog at a different time to avoid these animals, they are killers and Legislation needs to be introduced. Every dog has the potential to be nasty, even if it’s well trained and socialised, but these have the potential to kill within 30 seconds. 

Really have to question the motive of anyone wanting to own anything like this breed. Hope the new legislation goes through ASAP 

[westernpark]

Just now, Foxdiamond said:

Really have to question the motive of anyone wanting to own anything like this breed. Hope the new legislation goes through ASAP 

Definitely a case of educating owners and legislation changes for potential breeders of any type of dog. It should be a privilege rather than right to own a dog.

[st albans fox]

35 minutes ago, westernpark said:

XL Bully is a dog like no other. It has been engineered to damage others, whether dog, animal or human. Any dog can bite, but being bitten by a Labrador or XL Bully is two different things. I’m a dog person, have a large dog, very comfortable around animals, ridden horses from a young age, dealt with cows and other animals, but these XL Bullys scare the life out of me. I now walk my dog at a different time to avoid these animals, they are killers and Legislation needs to be introduced. Every dog has the potential to be nasty, even if it’s well trained and socialised, but these have the potential to kill within 30 seconds. 

Sorry - couldn’t help but see this 

[Bellend Sebastian]

3 hours ago, westernpark said:

XL Bully is a dog like no other. It has been engineered to damage others, whether dog, animal or human. Any dog can bite, but being bitten by a Labrador or XL Bully is two different things. I’m a dog person, have a large dog, very comfortable around animals, ridden horses from a young age, dealt with cows and other animals, but these XL Bullys scare the life out of me. I now walk my dog at a different time to avoid these animals, they are killers and Legislation needs to be introduced. Every dog has the potential to be nasty, even if it’s well trained and socialised, but these have the potential to kill within 30 seconds. 

Are you actually in Western Park? I am, and I've not seen any of these other than the two in Braunstone but if anyone's walking these closer to home or in the park itself I'd be concerned as my kid has started going out on his own.  Although I can teach him to be wary in his interactions with humans and be careful crossing the road, there's not much I can do to prepare him for a 150 lb devil dog trying to bite his face off 

[westernpark]

20 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Are you actually in Western Park? I am, and I've not seen any of these other than the two in Braunstone but if anyone's walking these closer to home or in the park itself I'd be concerned as my kid has started going out on his own.  Although I can teach him to be wary in his interactions with humans and be careful crossing the road, there's not much I can do to prepare him for a 150 lb devil dog trying to bite his face off 

Yes within the actual Western Park( I don't live in the park, the dogs were), the dogs come from the Park Rise estate and New Parks (not assumptions but limited interaction with owners) from what I can gather. Those dogs weren't too bad, but I will avoid them still if I'm out walking my dog. They were on the smaller size for an XL Bully, however there is one that I've seen a few times when I've not been with my dog and going for a run through the park (usually lunchtime), it's huge, I would estimate at 65kg minimum, although it was on the lead. For context, I used to walk my dog between 8am and 9am, but now this is always done before 7am, because of their increased presence. However, there's one guy who occasionally cycles with his XL Bully down through Letchworth Road way and it's off the lead, liver/tan brown colour XL Bully it is, that's the only one I've seen off the lead outside the park. 

Edited 11 September 2023 by westernpark
clarification

[Bellend Sebastian]

14 minutes ago, westernpark said:

Yes within the actual Western Park( I don't live in the park, the dogs were), the dogs come from the Park Rise estate and New Parks (not assumptions but limited interaction with owners) from what I can gather. Those dogs weren't too bad, but I will avoid them still if I'm out walking my dog. They were on the smaller size for an XL Bully, however there is one that I've seen a few times when I've not been with my dog and going for a run through the park (usually lunchtime), it's huge, I would estimate at 65kg minimum, although it was on the lead. For context, I used to walk my dog between 8am and 9am, but now this is always done before 7am, because of their increased presence. However, there's one guy who occasionally cycles with his XL Bully down through Letchworth Road way and it's off the lead, liver/tan brown colour XL Bully it is, that's the only one I've seen off the lead outside the park. 

Oh for FFS, they are everywhere then, right in the places where my kid goes.

 

As for walking them off the lead....you'd like to think that owners would be a bit more careful about not freaking everyone out with all the bad press but I've not got high hopes that would be typical of the mindset

 

 

[Raj]

It's bad boy top boy wanna be gangsta who have these dogs.

I was unfortunate  enough to have to visit Aston in Birmingham  a couple of months ago and saw about 3 all with gangs of bad boys.

I'm like Bellend where my lad is now going out to play with his mates. If these come to any adult your in for it, let alone a 10 year old.

Get them off the streets.

 

Edited 11 September 2023 by Raj

[westernpark]

1 minute ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Oh for FFS, they are everywhere then, right in the places where my kid goes.

 

As for walking them off the lead....you'd like to think that owners would be a bit more careful about not freaking everyone out with all the bad press but I've not got high hopes that would be typical of the mindset

 

 

The dog off lead example on Letchworth Road is a rare occasion, but when I have seen it, it sticks in the mind because it's so blatantly inappropriate! On the park, the baseball field and the bits nearer to New Parks Boulevard are where I've encountered the dogs. I have never seen them on the bottom road fields, or by the bandstand. It's right to be cautious because these are scary animals, but thankfully those bits of the park seem to be alright. I hope your son is able to continue using the park because it's a cracking open space to grow up near to, and reasonably safe for youngsters! My caution is also for my dog, although at 90kg and 6ft, I would also struggle with these dogs.

[moore_94]

See plenty of videos of them on Twitter and Reddit dragging adults around and not taking any notice of the people hitting them to try and get them to let go

 

You have to pretty much kill them to get them to give up or let go

 

It isn't like they go for just 1 person and thats it either, they just keep going

 

I remember a video going arund of a couple of them having a go at a police horse as well

 

 

[Tommy G]

30 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Oh for FFS, they are everywhere then, right in the places where my kid goes.

 

As for walking them off the lead....you'd like to think that owners would be a bit more careful about not freaking everyone out with all the bad press but I've not got high hopes that would be typical of the mindset

 

 

Highly likely none of these owners will be sliding off the Goldman Sachs grad scheme. 

 

I don't get the appeal at all of owning any kind of dog like this tbh. I'd support the ban

[Free Falling Foxes]

 This is really annoying and this

Why do folk use their phone in portrait mode when filming with it.

Edited 11 September 2023 by Free Falling Foxes

[Bellend Sebastian]

4 hours ago, westernpark said:

The dog off lead example on Letchworth Road is a rare occasion, but when I have seen it, it sticks in the mind because it's so blatantly inappropriate! On the park, the baseball field and the bits nearer to New Parks Boulevard are where I've encountered the dogs. I have never seen them on the bottom road fields, or by the bandstand. It's right to be cautious because these are scary animals, but thankfully those bits of the park seem to be alright. I hope your son is able to continue using the park because it's a cracking open space to grow up near to, and reasonably safe for youngsters! My caution is also for my dog, although at 90kg and 6ft, I would also struggle with these dogs.

I'm going to have a chat with him about it and just make him aware. What you've said is really helpful, and gives a bit more of a sense of perspective. It's not like they're on every street corner

[Daggers]

Breed bans don't work - I'd rather see all dogs muzzled in built up areas.

 

And some owners.

[Samilktray]

I’ve seen a few XL Bully’s out and about and I most certainly cross the road if someone’s walking one. They are big lads 

[String fellow]

2 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

 This is really annoying and this

Why do folk use their phone in portrait mode when filming with it.

I recently had the job of transferring some old camcorder tape recordings to DVD. The 'cameraman' had a habit of turning the camcorder sideways on, when they thought that the vertical field of view needed to be increased. Maybe they thought it was a good idea - but it's absolutely no fun having turn your head sideways to watch the recordings!

[Jon the Hat]

9 hours ago, Daggers said:

Breed bans don't work - I'd rather see all dogs muzzled in built up areas.

 

And some owners.

They don't solve all problems that is for sure.  And what do you do with the existing dogs?

[Sly]

3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They don't solve all problems that is for sure.  And what do you do with the existing dogs?

How common are the XL bullys?
 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in Leicestershire, however I live out in the sticks a bit more where it’s largely Collies, Yorkies, Spaniels, Cocapoos and the occasional Shepherd! 

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They don't solve all problems that is for sure.  And what do you do with the existing dogs?

Put them around the edge of the pitches in play off second legs 

[Dunge]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

They don't solve all problems that is for sure.  And what do you do with the existing dogs?

Put them down.

 

Sorry if that sounds mean or cruel but these creatures shouldn’t exist.

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

How common are the XL bullys?

Never heard of them before yesterday 

[bmt]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

How common are the XL bullys?
 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in Leicestershire, however I live out in the sticks a bit more where it’s largely Collies, Yorkies, Spaniels, Cocapoos and the occasional Shepherd! 

I know two people with them and have seen quite a few more. They aren't the type you'd see out on a walk much though, more round parks/with their owners at Sunday league games etc

 

Edit: in Leicestershire

Edited 12 September 2023 by bmt

[Footballwipe]

2 hours ago, Dunge said:

Put them down.

 

Sorry if that sounds mean or cruel but these creatures shouldn’t exist.

Yeah sorry, these dogs are killers. They should be banned and culled. After the ban and a grace period anyone found in possession of one or breeding them should be given harsh punishments, too, none of this £100 fine nonsense. Proper, unlimited fine levels.

 

Everyone in this thread recognises the danger they pose. From crossing the road to noticing how brutal they are or can be. Not to sound like I'm a Karen in FB comments, but if we don't do something it'll take the death/deaths of children for serious action to happen, and idk about you but I'd rather avoid that.

[Raj]

3 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Yeah sorry, these dogs are killers. They should be banned and culled. After the ban and a grace period anyone found in possession of one or breeding them should be given harsh punishments, too, none of this £100 fine nonsense. Proper, unlimited fine levels.

 

Everyone in this thread recognises the danger they pose. From crossing the road to noticing how brutal they are or can be. Not to sound like I'm a Karen in FB comments, but if we don't do something it'll take the death/deaths of children for serious action to happen, and idk about you but I'd rather avoid that.

No chance of that nowadays in this country.

Get a day out in Alton Towers more likely as rehabilitation but thats for another topic!