ealingfox Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 (edited) Anyone would think Brand deliberately pursued the right wing conspiract grifter career path so that he could play the mainstream media conspiracy silencing and cancelling him card when his offences got out (as well as the financial gain of course). Edited 16 September 2023 by ealingfox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballwipe Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 14 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Anyone would think Brand deliberately pursued the right wing conspiract grifter career path so that he could play the mainstream media conspiracy silencing and cancelling him card when his offences got out (as well as the financial gain of course). Think it's fair to say if he was still considered a "leftie," the army out defending him right now would not be so vocal in their support... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 If you've got a Times subscription there story is out now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 27 minutes ago, ealingfox said: Anyone would think Brand deliberately pursued the right wing conspiract grifter career path so that he could play the mainstream media conspiracy silencing and cancelling him card when his offences got out (as well as the financial gain of course). ... right wing talking heads and their sycophants not taking sexual harassment and assault of women seriously and using that exact "MSM" argument to be dismissive? Colour me shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 16 September 2023 Author Share Posted 16 September 2023 (edited) This sort of thing one could say is one person's word against another, really. Reckon it's quite difficult in getting actual evidence of wrongdoing, no? Edited 16 September 2023 by Wymsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 16 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Think it's fair to say if he was still considered a "leftie," the army out defending him right now would not be so vocal in their support... Correct - he would be getting vocal support from the left instead. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 3 minutes ago, Wymsey said: This sort of thing one could say is one person's word against another, really. Reckon it's quite difficult in getting actual evidence of wrongdoing, no? From what I've seen so far it's at least five people's word against another. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 4 minutes ago, Wymsey said: This sort of thing one could say is one person's word against another, really. Reckon it's quite difficult in getting actual evidence of wrongdoing, no? You don’t need evidence when someone you don’t agree with is accused of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 1 minute ago, marbles said: Correct - he would be getting vocal support from the left instead. If any of it is remotely true he won't be getting support from anyone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 Just now, FoxesDeb said: If any of it is remotely true he won't be getting support from anyone. And he shouldn’t - after it’s proven to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 16 September 2023 Author Share Posted 16 September 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: From what I've seen so far it's at least five people's word against another. Of course. Brand says these accusations may have been 'coordinated' - either he's got evidence of this somehow or is digging a hole for himself. It's really hard to say unless the Dispatches programme later (may) reveal more evidence of any truth at all to this. Edited 16 September 2023 by Wymsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcsnow Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 The part about the mascara, with him on video as they would have known seems a bit too convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesDeb Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 5 minutes ago, marbles said: And he shouldn’t - after it’s proven to be true. You think it might not be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 3 minutes ago, Wymsey said: This sort of thing one could say is one person's word against another, really. Reckon it's quite difficult in getting actual evidence of wrongdoing, no? The Times article has text messages where (I'm paraphrasing) he says sorry to one of the women about how he'd treated her that day and she didn't deserve it. She's one who says he raped her. But it doesn't actually say raped in the messages. There's much more in The Times article. If you go on twitter someone has an archive link and you can read behind the paywall. But I'm sure it will all be covered in Dispatches I think it's more than 5 woman some want anonymity and don't want to go on record. Some are in the UK and some are in US. But you are right it's hard; and it's why of all the 67,169 rapes reported to UK police only 1.9% had charges brought in 2022. And the ones that were brought have like a 5 year wait to get to court. Which are really grim figures. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Footballwipe Posted 16 September 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 16 September 2023 9 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: You think it might not be? Eleven years on and I swear to god Twitter, this site and the rest of the internet would be jumping to the defence of Savile's cold, disgraceful corpse. Nothing suprises me in 2023, Deb. As long as you align yourself politically, you're worth defending. If only JS had a right wing Twitter account, eh. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samilktray Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 The clip from the tv program tonight is absolutely grim and as a half decent human being I simply can’t defend this kind of behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 16 minutes ago, marbles said: Correct - he would be getting vocal support from the left instead. I thought he was a pr1ck when he was pretending to be a leftie, and he is a pr1ck now pretending to be some hard right conspiracy MAGA nut. Cynic in me thinks he has known this has been coming for a long time. Playing the coordinated attack card is pretty lame. He's simply not that important. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 6 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Eleven years on and I swear to god Twitter, this site and the rest of the internet would be jumping to the defence of Savile's cold, disgraceful corpse. Nothing suprises me in 2023, Deb. As long as you align yourself politically, you're worth defending. If only JS had a right wing Twitter account, eh. Yup. Poor Jimmy simply missed the MAGA train. If he was younger and it happened now, you would have the likes of Musk and Tate calling it out as a coordinated attack on the right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 Always came across as an arrogant know it all hippy who thought he was gods gift to women, the skinny streak of piss!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
String fellow Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 Brand said it was a 'rather baroque attack' on him. What does he mean by 'baroque'? I thought it was that period in history during the 17th and early 18th centuries, when very ornate architecture, art and music were in fashion in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelmofox Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 1 minute ago, String fellow said: Brand said it was a 'rather baroque attack' on him. What does he mean by 'baroque'? I thought it was that period in history during the 17th and early 18th centuries, when very ornate architecture, art and music were in fashion in Europe. He uses fancy words to try and make himself more mysterious and more relevant. He’s always done it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 5 minutes ago, String fellow said: Brand said it was a 'rather baroque attack' on him. What does he mean by 'baroque'? I thought it was that period in history during the 17th and early 18th centuries, when very ornate architecture, art and music were in fashion in Europe. A fancy way of saying irregular. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said: You think it might not be? Don’t know either way. I try my best not to convict people based on opinion. Especially when I don’t know them personally. As we know, public opinion has been incorrect in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 1 hour ago, Chelmofox said: I thought he was a pr1ck when he was pretending to be a leftie, and he is a pr1ck now pretending to be some hard right conspiracy MAGA nut. Cynic in me thinks he has known this has been coming for a long time. Playing the coordinated attack card is pretty lame. He's simply not that important. Thinking he was/is a pr1ck is one thing. My point is that no matter which side of the political line you fall on - say and do whatever, you will have hardcore defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthyfox Posted 16 September 2023 Share Posted 16 September 2023 13 minutes ago, marbles said: Thinking he was/is a pr1ck is one thing. My point is that no matter which side of the political line you fall on - say and do whatever, you will have hardcore defenders. Has he been nicked for it? Can't find any record of that- ergo, this is either a Prince Andrew case, or it didn't happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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