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Also in the News - Part 2

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Sunak still peddling the Brexit success nonsense even though he blatantly doesn't believe it for a second. Nobody in that room does either. Bizarre.

 

They've gone full Trumpism this week. They know it's the last throw of the dice as they're finished. Divisive and conspiratorial nonsense that deliberately mimics the worst aspects of the US radical right.

 

I've been no great proponent of the HS2 project ever since it went to shit years ago, but for the Tories to hold their Conference in an old rail station in Manchester to announce its cancellation is different level cvntishness. 

 

"Network north" lol

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Just watching a bit of the Sunak speech. I feel like I’m picking up on something. It feels a bit like Braverman is being offered enough rope to hang herself, that she can’t stop getting more extreme and become unpalatable for other Conservative MPs to ultimately back her as leader. If so then it’s a dangerous plan, particularly given how Labour tried similar with Corbyn back in the day and he got voted into leadership.

 

Meanwhile, while Braverman sits there with a face like a slapped a**e, Kemi Badenoch sits there with a beaming smile as she’s praised directly by the PM. She’s looking more like the true heir to the Tory throne here.

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34 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said:

"They don't want a Labour Government, they want change" Mental how many Tory MPs keep parroting this line, literally been in power for nearly 15 years lol

 

This analysis and strategy by the Tories might represent their best electoral option. They certainly cannot stand on their record and don't seem to have credible, inspiring plans for the future.

 

So, presenting themselves as the "party of change" in an election when people want change might have some traction - especially if Labour continue to focus on being a cautious, competent but uninspiring potential govt.

 

The Tories are increasingly using populist causes to present themselves as the opposition to the status quo: "hurricane" of migrants, attacking fabricated "wokeist" policies for meat tax, councils deciding how often you go to the shops, "diktats" for 7 recycling bins, rolling back "unreasonable" policies to address climate change, opposing tighter speed limits & emissions zones, perhaps using cash saved by cancelling HS2 to fund pre-election tax cuts as the "low tax party"...

 

This might seem mental, as you say, when they've been in power for 13 years. But they won a landslide in 2019 by presenting themselves as the anti-establishment party of change, despite having been in power for 9 years.

Admittedly, they had a much easier job in 2019 as they had 3 factors they don't have now: "Get Brexit done",  "charismatic Boris" (:blink:) and Corbyn.

 

I doubt that presenting themselves as the populist, anti-establishment party of change will win them the next election. But it might reduce the scale of their defeat, if Labour continues to be seen as competent, cautious but uninspiring.

 

Assuming the Tories lose the election, I worry about where British politics will be in 5 years. Given the state of the nation and structural factors (aging population, low growth, climate change, depleted public services), the UK will probably still be in a bad state in 5 years however well or badly a Labour govt does. So, there's every chance that the country will be looking for change again in 2029....and what will the opposition be like then? The Tories seem to be becoming a populist party of the Far Right,  open to Trumpist anti-truth, conspiracy theories etc. It's instructive to hear the speeches by potential Tory leadership contenders and to see Farage happily jigging about at conference, not ruling out joining the Tories.

 

That long-term picture makes me wonder if it would be better if Labour didn't win a majority, but was dependent on Lib Dem support - in which case the LDs would surely demand electoral reform, making it harder for extremists to gain majority power. 

 

Meanwhile, there are rumours that Andy Street might resign as Birmingham Mayor over HS2. That would be a blow to the Tories - and the departure of one of the last moderate Tory leaders. The country does need a party of the sane, moderate Right as it's where a lot of voters stand. I'm not sure it works long-term if a Labour Govt is the voice of cautious centrism - opposed by a populist, extremist Tory party.

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22 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Just watching a bit of the Sunak speech. I feel like I’m picking up on something. It feels a bit like Braverman is being offered enough rope to hang herself, that she can’t stop getting more extreme and become unpalatable for other Conservative MPs to ultimately back her as leader. If so then it’s a dangerous plan, particularly given how Labour tried similar with Corbyn back in the day and he got voted into leadership.

You forget that most moderate Tories have been thrown out of the party or got sick of it all and quit. This is now a party that embraces Farage and whisper in corridors that he would be their choice for leader given half a chance. Hell, they even lobbed out Andrew Boff. There is now nothing too extreme for the vile cohort of ghouls left running the show. At some point, people are going to have to begin to accept that this is a fascist party with nothing but policies of self-interest, corruption, and ineptitude; a complete disgrace to British values and traditions - as it has been moving towards since 2010.

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3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

You forget that most moderate Tories have been thrown out of the party or got sick of it all and quit. This is now a party that embraces Farage and whisper in corridors that he would be their choice for leader given half a chance. Hell, they even lobbed out Andrew Boff. There is now nothing too extreme for the vile cohort of ghouls left running the show. At some point, people are going to have to begin to accept that this is a fascist party with nothing but policies of self-interest, corruption, and ineptitude; a complete disgrace to British values and traditions - as it has been moving towards since 2010.

Honestly, the more this goes on the more I think of applying to join the Conservative Party. Not because of agreeing with them, but with the hope of being a small part of getting it to change direction.

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21 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Honestly, the more this goes on the more I think of applying to join the Conservative Party. Not because of agreeing with them, but with the hope of being a small part of getting it to change direction.

I can actually really respect that. We do need a fairly balanced set of politicians who reflect, broadly, on what society actually is. 

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Hello. You probably weren’t expecting this, Dave isn’t, but I’m his wife and I’d like to tell you why I think he is totally great. Once I’m done doing that I’m going to go with him on his next client visit to let them know how fvcking awesome he is. 
 

This, I believe, is perfectly normal behaviour and not weird or anything at all. 
 

Anyway, Dave is so great I even do that thing he wants me to even though it makes me feel sick to the core of my being - that’s how great he is. 
 

Vote Dave. 

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4 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

Lee Anderson should be ashamed about his comments regarding children with ADHD. What a dinosaur he is.

Seems to get away with so much. And has such a senior rank in the party it's embarrassing. 

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3 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

What a career Toploader have had. From naming their band after an obsolete technology to performing their medley of hit which only reached 19th in the charts and is a cover anyway at the Tory Party conference 26 years later.

 

 

 

like some vision of hell

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8 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

What a career Toploader have had. From naming their band after an obsolete technology to performing their medley of hit which only reached 19th in the charts and is a cover anyway at the Tory Party conference 26 years later.

 

 

 

Absolute grifters perfect for the Tory party conference.

 

Imagine how fvcking desperate you've got to be to say yes to that. Or thick. Any even remotely credible band wouldn't want the flak associated with it. 

 

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22 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

What a career Toploader have had. From naming their band after an obsolete technology to performing their medley of hit which only reached 19th in the charts and is a cover anyway at the Tory Party conference 26 years later.

 

 

 

Well thats ruined this underrated banger for me now...

 

 

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