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Also in the News - Part 2

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leicsmac

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1 hour ago, Lionator said:

Hamas leadership are idiots. Israeli government are idiots, was only gonna end one way.

 

One online theory is that this is an Iranian plot to disrupt the geopolitical alignment of Israel and Saudi. 

Truer words never spoken.

 

Are there any rational adults at all in international relations?

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14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Absolutely none. It's just tit for twat. For 80 ****ing years.

And the historical enmity as a whole goes on for a lot longer than that too.

 

How incredibly sad it all is. Simply pointless death and suffering.

 

5 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Oddly enough, the Saudi’s although I’m sure what they’re doing is to their own vested interests. 

Here's hoping that in this case they can be the middleman then.

 

Interesting the China did the same to broker an agreement between the Saudis and Iran too.

 

But there are still far too many hotheads running the show on all sides.

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On 03/10/2023 at 05:47, The Year Of The Fox said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12585105/NHS-Trust-gives-staff-year-paid-leave-male-menopause-Health-chiefs-issue-guidance-men-receive-sick-pay-menopausal-like-symptoms.html
 

 

 

The NHS are underfunded though 

 

On 03/10/2023 at 11:08, Tommy G said:

I don't think it's quite like that - if that policy exists then it would only exist within an institution like the NHS. You can't get an ambulance but not to worry, if you have menopause like symtoms as a male you can have a year off full pay.   

 

On 03/10/2023 at 11:15, leicsmac said:

Certainly, but let's not overlook that the Fail deliberately miss the point regarding underfunding as a means to discredit the organisation itself for the purposes of public distrust and subsequent privatisation with all the suffering for poorer and vulnerable people that entails.

 

Any vaguely competent and reasonably funded (by a vaguely competent government) organisation with an actual interest in both its workforce and the patients that use it would offer both the ambulances required and this.

 

On 03/10/2023 at 12:43, The Year Of The Fox said:

Well that’s silly. It’s silly to even make the ‘male menopause’ a thing isn’t it really? Never mind to allow any work shy enough to take full pay for up to 12 months. 
 

I like how it’s the governments fault for not pouring yet more money into a bottomless pit, rather than  the NHS for not prioritising its funds. 

A statement issued by EMAS chief exec. Note the year the guidance was published, 2019:

 

Message for the attention of colleagues and volunteers

 

"It’s likely you will have seen or heard the national media debate this week relating to guidance published at EMAS in 2019 on Andropause (sometimes referred to as the male menopause).

 

Sensationalist and factually incorrect headlines have distracted from the purpose of the guidance, and today our Medical Director Dr Nicole Atkinson has spoken with BBC East Midlands to amplify this important message: We care about the health and wellbeing of our staff. The guidance, and all other health and wellbeing advice promoted at EMAS, is about encouraging our managers and staff to have conversations to identify things that may or may not be causing illness or injury, and then to identify from a range of options the type of support needed to mitigate or lessen the impact of symptoms (eg an occupational health referral, a change in lifestyle, and/or reasonable adjustments at work). This approach allows us to help keep more staff at work when appropriate, and to make sure we have a workforce ready and able to respond to patient need.

 

For clarity, the facts that have been shared with media who are reporting incorrect details, include:

 

  • EMAS adheres to the national NHS Agenda for Change Terms and Conditions – there is no separate or special leave policy to allow staff to take 12-months sick leave on full pay.

 

  • NHS sickness terms and conditions should not be linked to the Andropause guidance document, the two are independent and not to be conflated.

 

  • The length of time an individual has away from work for any illness or injury is determined through consultation with a doctor/healthcare professional involved in their treatment and care (EMAS can’t sign people off sick). A Statement of Fitness for Work is required if a staff member is to be away from work for more than seven-days). If time away from work is required (for example, due to a broken bone, back injury, or for cancer treatment), the NHS sick pay entitlement is determined by factors including length of service.

 

We are proud of the culture we are developing at EMAS and remain grateful to the staff and volunteers who continue to share their experiences and feedback to help shape what we do and how we do it. We know that our approach is starting to have an impact – turnover rates are reducing, sickness is reducing (we recognise we still have work to do, hence our understanding sickness project); and, we’re attracting more new, additional people - we’ve already had over 1,300 applications this year for frontline roles at EMAS.

 

More staff at work means we can improve how we support and care for our workforce and our patients, and that is why it is not ‘woke’ or wrong to have staff health and wellbeing as a priority".

 

 

Richard Henderson

Chief Executive

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4 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

 

 

A statement issued by EMAS chief exec. Note the year the guidance was published, 2019:

 

Message for the attention of colleagues and volunteers

 

"It’s likely you will have seen or heard the national media debate this week relating to guidance published at EMAS in 2019 on Andropause (sometimes referred to as the male menopause).

 

Sensationalist and factually incorrect headlines have distracted from the purpose of the guidance, and today our Medical Director Dr Nicole Atkinson has spoken with BBC East Midlands to amplify this important message: We care about the health and wellbeing of our staff. The guidance, and all other health and wellbeing advice promoted at EMAS, is about encouraging our managers and staff to have conversations to identify things that may or may not be causing illness or injury, and then to identify from a range of options the type of support needed to mitigate or lessen the impact of symptoms (eg an occupational health referral, a change in lifestyle, and/or reasonable adjustments at work). This approach allows us to help keep more staff at work when appropriate, and to make sure we have a workforce ready and able to respond to patient need.

 

For clarity, the facts that have been shared with media who are reporting incorrect details, include:

 

  • EMAS adheres to the national NHS Agenda for Change Terms and Conditions – there is no separate or special leave policy to allow staff to take 12-months sick leave on full pay.

 

  • NHS sickness terms and conditions should not be linked to the Andropause guidance document, the two are independent and not to be conflated.

 

  • The length of time an individual has away from work for any illness or injury is determined through consultation with a doctor/healthcare professional involved in their treatment and care (EMAS can’t sign people off sick). A Statement of Fitness for Work is required if a staff member is to be away from work for more than seven-days). If time away from work is required (for example, due to a broken bone, back injury, or for cancer treatment), the NHS sick pay entitlement is determined by factors including length of service.

 

We are proud of the culture we are developing at EMAS and remain grateful to the staff and volunteers who continue to share their experiences and feedback to help shape what we do and how we do it. We know that our approach is starting to have an impact – turnover rates are reducing, sickness is reducing (we recognise we still have work to do, hence our understanding sickness project); and, we’re attracting more new, additional people - we’ve already had over 1,300 applications this year for frontline roles at EMAS.

 

More staff at work means we can improve how we support and care for our workforce and our patients, and that is why it is not ‘woke’ or wrong to have staff health and wellbeing as a priority".

 

 

Richard Henderson

Chief Executive

...oh, so the Heil either embellished the truth or outright lied in order to undermine an institution still populated (mostly) by decent people looking to help others?

 

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Absolutely none. It's just tit for twat. For 80 ****ing years.

Astonishing isn't it?

 

They're supposed to be the cream of the crop and it's ****ing playground stuff except it's not throwing stones it's throwing heavy ordnance and people die.

 

Is global revolution too much to ask?

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21 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Astonishing isn't it?

 

They're supposed to be the cream of the crop and it's ****ing playground stuff except it's not throwing stones it's throwing heavy ordnance and people die.

 

Is global revolution too much to ask?

Quite frankly given how essential resources like water and crops may become much harder to source in the next few decades, I think that is likely inevitable if we hold our present course as a species.

 

Bad thing is that such a revolution would likely end up with the worst of humanity wielding even more power as people would be so desperate brutal instinct would likely be the dominant ideology.

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So it’s all been kicking off in the Israeli and Palestinian areas then. Massive intelligence failure for Israel to not have seen this coming. You can’t organize all those rockets  and Hamas soldiers storming the Israeli checkpoints without  intense communications.

 

My concern is that Israel’s response will be brutal on a scale much bigger than anything Hamza can do. They’ll have been hurt, angered and embarrassed by this and they’ll be furious that this wasn’t detected before it happened. There’s even talk amongst some Israelis that it’s time to eliminate Hamas. My Concern is with emotions running high , hardline elements of Israeli military will see this as a free ticket  to target any male  Palestinian and claim that they were Hamas.. This will be the time that they can ‘ get away’ with that kind of thing and it’s possible that a blind eye will be turned to this under the banner of ‘confusion’ of what will be all out war.

 

 

Make no mistake, Israel’s response will be brutal.

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So it’s all been kicking off in the Israeli and Palestinian areas then. Massive intelligence failure for Israel to not have seen this coming. You can’t organize all those rockets  and Hamas soldiers storming the Israeli checkpoints without  intense communications.

 

My concern is that Israel’s response will be brutal on a scale much bigger than anything Hamza can do. They’ll have been hurt, angered and embarrassed by this and they’ll be furious that this wasn’t detected before it happened. There’s even talk amongst some Israelis that it’s time to eliminate Hamas. My Concern is with emotions running high , hardline elements of Israeli military will see this as a free ticket  to target any male  Palestinian and claim that they were Hamas.. This will be the time that they can ‘ get away’ with that kind of thing and it’s possible that a blind eye will be turned to this under the banner of ‘confusion’ of what will be all out war.

 

 

Make no mistake, Israel’s response will be brutal.

Find a government anywhere that would not respond aggressively to what Hamas did today.

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6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Find a government anywhere that would not respond aggressively to what Hamas did today.


 

oh I don’t disagree with you at all..

 

but Israel don’t mess about so I feel they’ll go a step further then what some others would..

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The non-aggressive Palestinians have managed to keep Hamas/IJ quiet of large/impactful attacks such as this for sometime. Despite the land grabs, attacks, murders and brutality that has consistently occurred for years. It’s interesting that they’ve chosen now to attack and in such a brutal and shocking way. They’ve obviously got their backing from somewhere (Iran ?).
 

The response, as usual will be more brutal (based on sheer millitary strength) and indiscriminate of Hamas member or innocent civilian. 
 

Hopefully as it’s “Israel under attack” world powers will be involved from the start and with that you’d hope a cease fire is forthcoming very soon. It’s ridiculous that with all the “world leaders” who have spoken, it’s only Turkey so far who have told sides to back down and not be stupid rather than a “we support X” tagline. There isn’t one to support here, these regimes don’t really give off support vibes, it’s the innocents that will be carried out on stretchers (dead or alive and badly in injured) in the next few days who need support.

 

Horrible situation with two regimes who need a complete restart.

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29 minutes ago, Bryn said:

Hamas and the Israeli government are both a set of genocidal maniacs.

 

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The non-aggressive Palestinians have managed to keep Hamas/IJ quiet of large/impactful attacks such as this for sometime. Despite the land grabs, attacks, murders and brutality that has consistently occurred for years. It’s interesting that they’ve chosen now to attack and in such a brutal and shocking way. They’ve obviously got their backing from somewhere (Iran ?).
 

The response, as usual will be more brutal (based on sheer millitary strength) and indiscriminate of Hamas member or innocent civilian. 
 

Hopefully as it’s “Israel under attack” world powers will be involved from the start and with that you’d hope a cease fire is forthcoming very soon. It’s ridiculous that with all the “world leaders” who have spoken, it’s only Turkey so far who have told sides to back down and not be stupid rather than a “we support X” tagline. There isn’t one to support here, these regimes don’t really give off support vibes, it’s the innocents that will be carried out on stretchers (dead or alive and badly in injured) in the next few days who need support.

 

Horrible situation with two regimes who need a complete restart.

Exactly this. The hardliners are in control in both cases and it shows.

 

I'll be honest though, IMO it's not just the two regimes, it's the entire set of ideology that drives them both that needs the restart. Or better, consigning entirely to history.

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I would say between 2015 and 2019 I was very much a Corbyn supporter, and I don’t regret it, but seeing some of the leftist takes in some circles today have been astounding. Calling Bernie Sanders out for condemning Hamas, and the worst, calling out Zelenskyy (you know, an actual Jew) who has sympathised with Israeli’s. And then people deny that Labour had an anti-Semite problem. 
 

Anyway, there are much more important things than Labour factionalism but today has really made me reflect on some of insane takes which I was a part of. 

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About 15 or so years ago I went and stayed with a Palestinian family in Beit Jala- a suburb of Bethlehem in the West Bank for 2 weeks. Never a truer word said that hardliners are in control of both sides of this longstanding argument. Palestinians are some of the friendliest, nicest people I have ever met and not a single one I spoke to ( Muslim or Christian ) condoned, agreed or approved of the targeting civilians or the use of violence to advance any ideology/ political ambitions or claims.

 

Both sides have seen such bad leadership for decades now that the divide  and hatred is so deep that  it makes any kind of peaceful solution almost unobtainable.

 

 

it’s all very sad to see.

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"A man once jumped from the top floor of a burning house in which many members of his family had already perished. He managed to save his life; but as he was falling he hit a person standing down below and broke that person’s legs and arms. The jumping man had no choice; yet to the man with the broken limbs he was the cause of his misfortune. If both behaved rationally, they would not become enemies. The man who escaped from the blazing house, having recovered, would have tried to help and console the other sufferer; and the latter might have realized that he was the victim of circumstances over which neither of them had control. But look what happens when these people behave irrationally. The injured man blames the other for his misery and swears to make him pay for it. The other, afraid of the crippled man’s revenge, insults him, kicks him, and beats him up whenever they meet. The kicked man again swears revenge and is again punched and punished. The bitter enmity, so fortuitous at first, hardens and comes to overshadow the whole existence of both men and to poison their minds."
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56 minutes ago, MPH said:

About 15 or so years ago I went and stayed with a Palestinian family in Beit Jala- a suburb of Bethlehem in the West Bank for 2 weeks. Never a truer word said that hardliners are in control of both sides of this longstanding argument. Palestinians are some of the friendliest, nicest people I have ever met and not a single one I spoke to ( Muslim or Christian ) condoned, agreed or approved of the targeting civilians or the use of violence to advance any ideology/ political ambitions or claims.

 

Both sides have seen such bad leadership for decades now that the divide  and hatred is so deep that  it makes any kind of peaceful solution almost unobtainable.

 

 

it’s all very sad to see.

 

It's a terrible situation. 

 

Makes Northern Ireland look like a tea party.

 

Just horrendous that in this day and age, innocent people are injured and killed.

 

 

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It looks like the corpse being paraded round in the flatbed is actually that of a German young lady, only thirty years old, who was there to attend a music festival for peace on the border.

 

Truly ghoulish.

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37 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

It looks like the corpse being paraded round in the flatbed is actually that of a German young lady, only thirty years old, who was there to attend a music festival for peace on the border.

 

Truly ghoulish.


 

there’s videos of whole classrooms of school girls being kidnapped with voices telling them they are going to be sold as sex slaves. These are 10-14 year olds. 
 

its awful.

 

 

 

I also have a problem, on a humanitarian level and for reasons mentioned in my previous post, with Israel cutting off the electricity supply to the Palestinian areas. Also, there is talk of the tax money Israel collects and hands over to the Palestinian authorities being used as reparations for the killed Israelis  and to pay for the damage caused by the rocket attacks.

 

I understand the arguments of ‘ why give them power for them to then use it against us’ but  well..  but support for the rocket attacks is not a universally held Palestinian opinion..

 

 

the part that saddens me most about it all is that I don’t know of a solution that will suit both sides. :(

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