st albans fox Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Wymsey said: What's happened to them? Isis have been reduced to a much smaller force through attacks by the western powers and their Islamic foes. (Shia or Sunni - someone will advise ) Edited 8 October 2023 by st albans fox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 I am not an expert on the situation but I feel people are still talking about potential solutions that died long ago, around the time of the 2nd intifada and the infamous images of the Ramallah lynching. Sounds very bad but if I'm being honest with myself I don't have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians anymore. As I said though I'm not an expert and I haven't been there, this is only from what I see and read. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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st albans fox Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 9 minutes ago, Daggers said: Possibly the most informed post on the subject! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 They’ve got at each other for 75+ years. Until one wipes out the other, the brutal reality is, that this could continue for another 75 years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlaneyLCFC Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 Seen a few posts online saying the 6bn given to Iran by the US as part of a hostage release deal went to arms for Hamas/Hezbollah as well as black market arms sold from ukraine that western nations still stupidly supply them with. We should have zero involvement with Israel and Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kopfkino Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 29 minutes ago, bovril said: I am not an expert on the situation but I feel people are still talking about potential solutions that died long ago, around the time of the 2nd intifada and the infamous images of the Ramallah lynching. Sounds very bad but if I'm being honest with myself I don't have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians anymore. As I said though I'm not an expert and I haven't been there, this is only from what I see and read. What has led you to not have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians anymore? Fair enough if you don’t want to answer for obvious reasons but I find it an interesting thing to explore. And for reference you’ll get no arguments from me - I’ve zero interest in having a stance cos I’ve absolutely zero idea. I’m confident I’m better read and more knowledgeable on the Middle East than 99% of the population and find it astounding how so many people that know so little manage to have so much to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 700 Israelis murdered. I think the Gaza Strip will be flattened and the Hamas terrorists have brought upon their own death and destruction. They’ve never wanted peace, only the death to all Jews. Its all so sad all of this hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 26 minutes ago, Sly said: They’ve got at each other for 75+ years. Until one wipes out the other, the brutal reality is, that this could continue for another 75 years. I know which one will be wiped out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman_Mike Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 I only realised the other day that Mike Stowell was based in Israel now with Tel Aviv. He must be feeling quite apprehensive about what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 3 minutes ago, Kopfkino said: What has led you to not have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians anymore? Fair enough if you don’t want to answer for obvious reasons but I find it an interesting thing to explore. And for reference you’ll get no arguments from me - I’ve zero interest in having a stance cos I’ve absolutely zero idea. I’m confident I’m better read and more knowledgeable on the Middle East than 99% of the population and find it astounding how so many people that know so little manage to have so much to say. Perhaps I didn't phrase it as carefully as I should have done. I do have generally have sympathy for Palestinians. I would say though I am now much more neutral when it comes to their plight than say 15 years ago. The reasons being the rise of Hamas who are quite simply genocidal Nazis, the visceral images of barbaric terror campaigns such as the one this weekend, and the seeming inability of a lot of pro-Palestine activists to condemn this unequivocally (obviously I am very unfairly generalizing here). Also, Islamist terror attacks in Europe and the US were a big part of my formative years, and the groups that carried e.g. 9/11 and 7/7 were obviously explicitly anti-Israel. Additionally, I generally vote left wing but perhaps I am becoming more sceptical of far-left, loudly pro-Palestine groups and more conservative as I get older, thus more pro-Israel. I am quite well read about the history of the middle east but I don't know loads about the region post WWII, mostly because, as bad as this sounds, I'm generally not that interested in it. So I accept I have an understanding of the conflict that is skewed by my own personal politics and by the media that I consume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 32 minutes ago, SlaneyLCFC said: Seen a few posts online saying the 6bn given to Iran by the US as part of a hostage release deal went to arms for Hamas/Hezbollah as well as black market arms sold from ukraine that western nations still stupidly supply them with. We should have zero involvement with Israel and Ukraine. From what I can see, a lot of munitions / equipment and weapons left behind by the U.S army in Afghanistan has found its way into Hamas’ hands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wortho Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 These murderous bastards have slaughtered 700 mainly women, children and old people. Through pure hatred. And they are parading them around the streets before being taken to Gaza and raped and tortured. Hamas is ISIS, so if you support them good luck to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 8 October 2023 Share Posted 8 October 2023 A few bob says a decent chunk of the current part of this thread is going to get 86ed before noon tomorrow GMT. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon the Hat Posted 9 October 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 October 2023 It is quite possible and reasonable to condemn the horrific attacks by Hamas terrorists while also recognising that part of what enables Hamas to maintain power and carry out such attacks is Israeli treatment of Palestinian people and their rights. We can also recognise the improving relationship between Saudi Arabia and Israel is a threat to Hamas. And worry about the affects of the Israeli response on innocent Palestian civilians. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WigstonWanderer Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, SpacedX said: I expect that the death toll will increase in Western Afghanistan and possible aftershocks. Some of the buildings in Herat are very old and similar to the Berber villages in the Atlas Mountains that were devastated last month, consist of mud and clay housing. Is there any known link between climate change and earthquakes? I’m thinking if sea and to some extent land temperatures increase (presumably non-uniformly), glaciers melt and redistribute mass, would this place unusual stresses on fault lines? Edited 9 October 2023 by WigstonWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 8 hours ago, Daggers said: Shall I stay away?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Daggers Posted 9 October 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 October 2023 Just now, Raj said: Shall I stay away?? Not if you were previously an expert in Covid jabs, the Ukraine war, or WTO rules as I believe these are transferable skills for the Middle East crisis. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 1 minute ago, Daggers said: Not if you were previously an expert in Covid jabs, the Ukraine war, or WTO rules as I believe these are transferable skills for the Middle East crisis. I'm also an expert in Enzos tactics as my posts on Satuday can confirm!!🙄🤣🤣🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 2 minutes ago, Daggers said: Not if you were previously an expert in Covid jabs, the Ukraine war, or WTO rules as I believe these are transferable skills for the Middle East crisis. Ah this is a whole different level. Not sure anyone has any answers. Its bloody depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 Let’s be honest though. How can anyone have sympathy for a group of people that have attacked a music festival? They have killed in excess of 200 people in attendance, then paraded the bodies around in the streets. I’m no expert on the Middle East in the slightest, however that is just brutality that won’t go unpunished. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 5 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said: Is there any known link between climate change and earthquakes? I’m thinking if sea and to some extent land temperatures increase (presumably non-uniformly), glaciers melt and redistribute mass, would this place unusual stresses on fault lines? Yes. The isostatic uplift in the Arctic and Antarctica not so much because they are are not regions of significant seismic activity and there are few seismic stations. Although it is known that the melting and retreating of glaciers in otherwise tectonically stable regions, such as interior of the Canadian shield and Scandinavia has caused earth tremors. In areas where earthquakes are common, such as plate margins, Alaska for example, this trend has obviously been harder to identify. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mickyblueeyes Posted 9 October 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 October 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Sly said: Let’s be honest though. How can anyone have sympathy for a group of people that have attacked a music festival? They have killed in excess of 200 people in attendance, then paraded the bodies around in the streets. I’m no expert on the Middle East in the slightest, however that is just brutality that won’t go unpunished. Is like someone has said above. Having sympathy for the Palestinian people is not having sympathy for Hamas - most whose leaders do not live in the Gaza Strip. It’s exactly the same situation. Understanding the need for a Jewish homeland and their right to exists peacefully doesn’t mean you have to absolve the murderous IDF. The reality is, the majority of victims of this conflict on both sides are going to be innocent, men, women and children. Comments like “flatten the strip” are sick and demented. Just like those who celebrated the killing and parading of innocent festival goers. Rape, mutilation and mass murder has been an accusation on BOTH Hamas and the IDF since 1948. There exist no rules of combat on either side in this region. The place this “war” should be fought is between Iran and Israel. That’s where the funding comes from. Dropping illegal poisonous white phosphorus bombs on residential blocks in the Gaza Strip is only going to add to the innocent kill count - destroy Hamas ? Unlikely. Edited 9 October 2023 by Mickyblueeyes 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 9 October 2023 Share Posted 9 October 2023 6 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said: Is there any known link between climate change and earthquakes? I’m thinking if sea and to some extent land temperatures increase (presumably non-uniformly), glaciers melt and redistribute mass, would this place unusual stresses on fault lines? I don’t believe that there is any an evidence that CC will cause more/less earthquakes. Tremors near the surface may possibly be affected by glacier melt relieving stresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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