leicsmac Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said: Granted this is an online football forum where the main purpose is to vent our weekend frustrations, but this isn’t true at all. Banking is a massive confidence hustle, CS lost it. They weren’t given any choice about the sale, have a strong balance sheet but years long worries about their business model, mgt, restructuring made it too risky to let them sort themselves out. High net worths started pulling their money, Saudis refused to invest more, interest rate rises left their loans a bit exposed. CS are far too important to Switzerland and wider ECB stability so action had to come, to suggest it’s a failed bank because of poor mgt is inaccurate Yeah, fair enough. That post was facetious and, yes, borne of a little frustration. Perhaps that frustration comes from knowing, as you do, that it is all a giant confidence scheme, and thinking that's really no way for anything to have so much power over human lives and livelihoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 12 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Yeah, fair enough. That post was facetious and, yes, borne of a little frustration. Perhaps that frustration comes from knowing, as you do, that it is all a giant confidence scheme, and thinking that's really no way for anything to have so much power over human lives and livelihoods. Yeh totally I do not want to be one of those sneering, condescending oddballs on Twitter 'well technically.....' People should be frustrated with the model as it stands, and some of that frustration has to be thrown at Govts and regulators, not just the banks. They are private companies, let them fail and contain the fallout. Or better yet, do your jobs properly and manage their risks before it becomes too late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 2 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Tran folk are not being legislated out of existence! This is inflamatory nonsense. People are merely pushing back finally on ridiculous expectations. Again, please explain to me how using mens bathrooms if you have a penis is legislating you out of existence. Explain how competing as a man when you have all the benefits of male physiology is legislating you out of existence. How staying out of single sex spaces is legislating you out of existence? Trans people are only coming up against resistance when they ask people to accept something which is patently nonsense. The issue with having a discussion about trans issues with someone like you is not the points that you make, but the way you make them. You are very dismissive of trans issues using words like ridiculous and nonsense. They are not ridiculous and nonsense they are very real and affect a lot of people, but you do have a point, even if you make it in a dismissive way. The needs of trans people are just not compatible with our current binary society. You are going to cause a lot of issues if you come out as trans and start using the spaces of your identified gender from day 1, whilst I think it is fair to say we would all agree that a "fully transitioned' person should use the spaces that they identify with. That leaves all the people that are on their journey that may still have a penis, but look female in all other aspects of their appearance. It is not right to assess people on their stage of transition. You can't have a test where their physical appearance is assessed by a panel of independent judges and if they pass the female test they are given the keys to the women's toilets. So we are stuck and really there are only 2 solutions: 1 creating a third non-binary gender and all institutions are mandated to allow for even though it is at best impractical and expensive for all venues and institutions to accommodate a third gender and in a lot of cases it would be impossible. 2. Stop segregating people by what is between their legs, but that is going to require a wide ranging societal change and a lot of that will rely on men having a huge attitude shift towards women, because let's be honest the main reason for gender based segregation is to protect women from men. So whilst I wouldn't say the demands of the trans community are ridiculous or nonsense they are impossible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 10 minutes ago, Captain... said: The issue with having a discussion about trans issues with someone like you is not the points that you make, but the way you make them. You are very dismissive of trans issues using words like ridiculous and nonsense. They are not ridiculous and nonsense they are very real and affect a lot of people, but you do have a point, even if you make it in a dismissive way. The needs of trans people are just not compatible with our current binary society. You are going to cause a lot of issues if you come out as trans and start using the spaces of your identified gender from day 1, whilst I think it is fair to say we would all agree that a "fully transitioned' person should use the spaces that they identify with. That leaves all the people that are on their journey that may still have a penis, but look female in all other aspects of their appearance. It is not right to assess people on their stage of transition. You can't have a test where their physical appearance is assessed by a panel of independent judges and if they pass the female test they are given the keys to the women's toilets. So we are stuck and really there are only 2 solutions: 1 creating a third non-binary gender and all institutions are mandated to allow for even though it is at best impractical and expensive for all venues and institutions to accommodate a third gender and in a lot of cases it would be impossible. 2. Stop segregating people by what is between their legs, but that is going to require a wide ranging societal change and a lot of that will rely on men having a huge attitude shift towards women, because let's be honest the main reason for gender based segregation is to protect women from men. So whilst I wouldn't say the demands of the trans community are ridiculous or nonsense they are impossible. This is the dispassionate look that I would give if this topic wasn't rather personal to me. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leicsmac Posted 20 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 20 March 2023 Say what you want about the French, they do know how to cause a noise enough to get their government to listen. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 36 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Say what you want about the French Don't tempt us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bovril Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 I actually like the French very much. I like the pride and confidence they have in their history and culture compared to us 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 50 minutes ago, leicsmac said: Say what you want about the French, they do know how to cause a noise enough to get their government to listen. I might need you to explain this one to me. How exactly have they managed that? From what I've seen, they've made plenty of noise, but the government just ignored them and pushed through the pension reform Bill without even a vote? And from what else I'm hearing, they won't lose the no confidence votes either, so it will become law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 1 minute ago, Innovindil said: I might need you to explain this one to me. How exactly have they managed that? From what I've seen, they've made plenty of noise, but the government just ignored them and pushed through the pension reform Bill without even a vote? And from what else I'm hearing, they won't lose the no confidence votes either, so it will become law. They've gotten the government into a position where it either backs down or goes ahead and pretty much commits electoral suicide next time round (the only reason the no confidence vote won't work is because the ruling party won't vote to leave the gravy train just yet). So yeah, it will become law, but it will come at the (eventual) cost of Macrons government and legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: They've gotten the government into a position where it either backs down or goes ahead and pretty much commits electoral suicide next time round (the only reason the no confidence vote won't work is because the ruling party won't vote to leave the gravy train just yet). So yeah, it will become law, but it will come at the (eventual) cost of Macrons government and legacy. So they had 1 aim, haven't attained it, but can be happy they can have macron out on his arse... In 2027? Seems a weird win to me tbh. Almost like they've made Paris more rat infested than it already was for absolutely no payoff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 20 March 2023 Share Posted 20 March 2023 3 minutes ago, Innovindil said: So they had 1 aim, haven't attained it, but can be happy they can have macron out on his arse... In 2027? Seems a weird win to me tbh. Almost like they've made Paris more rat infested than it already was for absolutely no payoff. I think there is a payoff (though pretty distant), but yes, point taken. I guess I have a soft spot for the general attitude being displayed (depending on situation obviously) rather than just placid acceptance as so many other places (the UK included) seem to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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leicsmac Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 Clearly the Macpherson report didn't entirely change the culture at the Met, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 5 hours ago, StanSP said: I find it weird to focus on the language of the new chief and not the contents of the report. Of course he's not going to say it's institutionally racist, that is basically saying that the whole institution is racist and it actively encourages racism. If it was institutionally racist the only solution would be to decommission the Met and start from scratch. Now it's very clear that there are a lot of problems in the Met and some of those incidents in the report are vile and shocking. That should be where all the focus is not on the semantics of whether he used the word institutionally or not. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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samlcfc Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 On 15/02/2023 at 09:08, samlcfc said: All the unclassified information about the objects shot down the US recently for those that are interested. From the congressional hearing For anyone who thought this was an interesting topic, Congress are looking at having more hearings in April. Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 A real sliding doors moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 21 March 2023 Author Share Posted 21 March 2023 Not local, but still quite depressing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-65027290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 Another Earthquake in Lahore 7.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 14 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Not local, but still quite depressing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-65027290 We need more housing for public good not for private profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grth2004 Posted 21 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 21 March 2023 1 hour ago, Foxdiamond said: We need more housing for public good not for private profit Selling off council houses 20 years ago was the most ridiculous decision, now we’re left with people making money from people just needing a roof over there head. same with privatisation of water , electricity and gas. I don’t understand why we put up with it and if anyone fights against it they are called a socialist hippy 😞 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 21 March 2023 Share Posted 21 March 2023 50 minutes ago, grth2004 said: Selling off council houses 20 years ago was the most ridiculous decision, now we’re left with people making money from people just needing a roof over there head. same with privatisation of water , electricity and gas. I don’t understand why we put up with it and if anyone fights against it they are called a socialist hippy 😞 Sums it up in a nutshell 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon the Hat Posted 21 March 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 21 March 2023 2 hours ago, grth2004 said: Selling off council houses 20 years ago was the most ridiculous decision, now we’re left with people making money from people just needing a roof over there head. same with privatisation of water , electricity and gas. I don’t understand why we put up with it and if anyone fights against it they are called a socialist hippy 😞 20? 40 more like. I do think the prinple of allowing long term renters a chance to buy is good. What is not good is the fact that central government pocketed the cash and there was minimal reinvestment in social housing. If that cash had been provided to councils or indeed housing associations, we would be in a far different place. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grth2004 Posted 22 March 2023 Share Posted 22 March 2023 7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: 20? 40 more like. I do think the prinple of allowing long term renters a chance to buy is good. What is not good is the fact that central government pocketed the cash and there was minimal reinvestment in social housing. If that cash had been provided to councils or indeed housing associations, we would be in a far different place. Yeah 40 years ago it started which sadly I remember. Average idea very badly executed, if we could go back I guess most Would say don’t sell council houses and put More into helping people buy a house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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