Leicester 4 - 1 Spurs - Post Match

[Foxdiamond]

1 minute ago, J. James said:

Its seems to me that the refs in the VAR room are itching to find any excuse to disallow goals, they are like over enthusiastic traffic wardens looking for a way to ticket some poor sod who's 5 seconds beyond their time.

They are so intent on the player whos left boot lace is 1.5mm offside they miss the player standing 1.5mts offside (Brentford).

 

It was intended as a way to stop CLEAR AND OBVIOUS mistakes but this is now forgotten.

 

This was NEVER what we were sold, but is a total dream for pernickety referees who can exercise power even when not on the pitch.

It has become a monster eating our beautiful game but FIFA will not change back now as no doubt too much money has already found its way into grubby hands.

It is crazy that incompetent officials are now ruining what should be a vital aid to arrive at the correct decision. I have no problem with a correct decision on offside albeit narrow as off is off but some are not off. The refs should be heard in same way as Rugby.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, J. James said:

Its seems to me that the refs in the VAR room are itching to find any excuse to disallow goals, they are like over enthusiastic traffic wardens looking for a way to ticket some poor sod who's 5 seconds beyond their time.

They are so intent on the player whos left boot lace is 1.5mm offside they miss the player standing 1.5mts offside (Brentford).

 

It was intended as a way to stop CLEAR AND OBVIOUS mistakes but this is now forgotten.

 

This was NEVER what we were sold, but is a total dream for pernickety referees who can exercise power even when not on the pitch.

It has become a monster eating our beautiful game but FIFA will not change back now as no doubt too much money has already found its way into grubby hands.

Offside is supposed to be factual like goal line technology - no clear and obvious (unless there is an issue with the cameras and you have to go with the linesman or a clear visual image that the call was v wrong) 

until we start using the auto offside tech as per the World Cup and champs league where a sensor in the ball detects the point at which it is struck and it then doesn’t rely on an old man to draw lines, we won’t be able to enforce it properly. 

[fuchsntf]

32 minutes ago, J. James said:

Lol. Just spent a very amusing 10 mins browsing this thread.

Must say they are top 6 or even Champions league quality in vitriolic posts!

Seems that almost everyone except Harry is what those there norf landeners call a kant.

We deffo need to step up our offensive game to compete with this elite team.

It’s like a geni’s lamp that keeps giving…I like Spurs,but there are some treasures

on their various forums…

The Spurs,W.Ham,Arsenal fans I know are salt of the Earth..I just wonder if social. Media have collected all tossers then imploded..

[J. James]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Offside is supposed to be factual like goal line technology - no clear and obvious (unless there is an issue with the cameras and you have to go with the linesman or a clear visual image that the call was v wrong) 

until we start using the auto offside tech as per the World Cup and champs league where a sensor in the ball detects the point at which it is struck and it then doesn’t rely on an old man to draw lines, we won’t be able to enforce it properly. 

The moment they added the "not affecting play" caveat it became someones opinion.

 

Who can possibly say that the player standing 3ft offside has not caused a defender to hesitate or move ever so slightly to counter.

I agree with you, but it should be ANY player offside imo to eliminate opinion.

[Weller Wing]

1 hour ago, worth_the_wait said:

Just about sums Brendan Rodgers up.   My mate in the West Stand saw him going nuts when Ward was kicking it long.

 

I mean, you never want to try the occasional direct ball forwards do you?  (especially when your forward seems to be winning a few headers).

 

Far better to always slowly play the ball sidewards and backwards, and try to bore everyone to death?  (including your own fans).

 

I seriously believe that whenever we play fast exciting positive football ... it's despite the manager, and not because of him,

 

 

Not going on a negative as yesterday was fantastic. 

 

But, if Brendan isn't keen on us using the long ball, why do we always do the same thing from kick off?

 

Punt it long towards the left hand corner for Barnes ,who's not particularly good in the air 

[st albans fox]

Just now, J. James said:

The moment they added the "not affecting play" caveat it became someones opinion.

 

Who can possibly say that the player standing 3ft offside has not caused a defender to hesitate or move ever so slightly to counter.

I agree with you, but it should be ANY player offside imo to eliminate opinion.

That doesn’t work - the game has changed a lot. Back in the day, if you took a corner and it was headed in but you were stood offside by the corner flag then the goal was chalked off.  How are you judging interfering ?  The fella stood thirty yards away in the corner of the penalty area ?  

[J. James]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

That doesn’t work - the game has changed a lot. Back in the day, if you took a corner and it was headed in but you were stood offside by the corner flag then the goal was chalked off.  How are you judging interfering ?  The fella stood thirty yards away in the corner of the penalty area ?  

Surely not beyond the wit of man to find a fix for that, but the amount of times we see a player in an offside position on replays clearly affecting decision making (but not by the ref or VAR) turns offside into opinion and complicates things.

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Weller Wing said:

Not going on a negative as yesterday was fantastic. 

 

But, if Brendan isn't keen on us using the long ball, why do we always do the same thing from kick off?

 

Punt it long towards the left hand corner for Barnes ,who's not particularly good in the air 

The kick off is different - you don’t want to encourage a team onto you in the first twenty seconds, especially away from home (like we did at Walsall). you have all your players behind the ball and area in shape. play it long into the corner and you either get an attacking throw or the opposition have a throw near their own box 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, J. James said:

Surely not beyond the wit of man to find a fix for that, but the amount of times we see a player in an offside position on replays clearly affecting decision making (but not by the ref or VAR) turns offside into opinion and complicates things.

Your suggestion creates even more grey areas though and would see loads of goals disallowed.  The Brentford goal yesterday - change the law so that anyone stood offside when the ball is played in and they are offside will result in defences just storming forwards as the ball is about to be kicked - it will be chaos.  There are always unintended consequences.  fwiw, I didn’t think that Gabriel was getting to the wide player who played it back across and if he was supposed to be marking him then he should have been a lot closer.  

[J. James]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Your suggestion creates even more grey areas though and would see loads of goals disallowed.  The Brentford goal yesterday - change the law so that anyone stood offside when the ball is played in and they are offside will result in defences just storming forwards as the ball is about to be kicked - it will be chaos.  There are always unintended consequences.  fwiw, I didn’t think that Gabriel was getting to the wide player who played it back across and if he was supposed to be marking him then he should have been a lot closer.  

Well then sadly offside (or not) is all about opinion and will remain so as long as we hear "deemed not to be interfering with play" said.

We must agree to disagree on this l fear.

 

But l think we both agree VAR (as it is presently used) is not fit for purpose.

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, J. James said:

Well then sadly offside (or not) is all about opinion and will remain so as long as we hear "deemed not to be interfering with play" said.

We must agree to disagree on this l fear.

 

But l think we both agree VAR (as it is presently used) is not fit for purpose.

Broadly yes - don’t like it - never wanted it 

the offside or not needs to resolved as being factual because technology will deal with that.  The interpretation element re interference will likely always exist 

Edited 12 February 2023 by st albans fox

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

What happened with the Palace/Brighton one then? 

 

The PL have come out and said that was incorrect. How does the tech get it wrong? What's the point in the VAR official if it can't check the tech? 

The 4th official simply made a mistake. He chose the defender to draw the line off. 
 

Leicester fan as well

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Why did the ref let them retake the late free-kick when they buggered it up by passing it to our player?

Or still gave a free kick after playing advantage when Kane had a chance to shoot. He certainly protected Kane a lot 

[bovril]

4-1 flattered Spurs. Trying to think of the last time we totally dominated a team with top 4 aspirations, maybe Man City February and December 2016

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, bovril said:

4-1 flattered Spurs. Trying to think of the last time we totally dominated a team with top 4 aspirations, maybe Man City February and December 2016

Can't remember when it was but we convincingly beat United not top long ago

[Gamble92]

This is a very negative spin on it, and I'm usually so positive, but it's a really sad reminder to me of what this team could/should have been over the last two years. 

 

We should be challenging for top 4, and there's a good chance we won't get that chance again.

[bovril]

11 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Can't remember when it was but we convincingly beat United not top long ago

Ah yes. That game was in the balance until quite late on though. Once we equalised yesterday it was just total annihilation. 

[wardyfox86]

Reading this thread about Barnes' disallowed goal, alot of people need to understand perspective. The furthest back part of the defensive line was Dier's foot, regardless of the other defender's shoulder being over the blue/red line.

 

He was offside, and moreso than the Son decision from a few years back tbf. A shame that the pass wasn't made half a second earlier, as it was a great goal.

[SkidsFox]

35 minutes ago, bovril said:

4-1 flattered Spurs. Trying to think of the last time we totally dominated a team with top 4 aspirations, maybe Man City February and December 2016

It's all a bit dis-orientating after the last 2 games. Are we suddenly that good once again? Or have we benefited from playing a couple of duff teams?

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, J. James said:

Surely not beyond the wit of man to find a fix for that, but the amount of times we see a player in an offside position on replays clearly affecting decision making (but not by the ref or VAR) turns offside into opinion and complicates things.

How about, if you're offside in the 6 yard box you are automatically interfering with play, there is absolutely no way the goalie and defence are not influenced by an attacker that close to goal, I'd even go as far as to say in the area if you're not paying attention to attackers in the box you are not doing your job as a defender. (That's the rule, but the ref and VAR can overrule if the attacker is injured or is retreating to get onside and his no direct impact on the play)

[Foxdiamond]

4 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

It's all a bit dis-orientating after the last 2 games. Are we suddenly that good once again? Or have we benefited from playing a couple of duff teams?

Villa and Spurs results leading to our matches suggests they were in decent form so we should allow ourselves to shine the light on our performances

[FrankieADZ]

24 minutes ago, wardyfox86 said:

Reading this thread about Barnes' disallowed goal, alot of people need to understand perspective. The furthest back part of the defensive line was Dier's foot, regardless of the other defender's shoulder being over the blue/red line.

 

He was offside, and moreso than the Son decision from a few years back tbf. A shame that the pass wasn't made half a second earlier, as it was a great goal.

if you look at it tho on the VAR imagine, you can see Davies's shoulder and head(yes i know arms dont count) is on the red line of barnes too

maybe im reading the rule wrong i dont know

[Captain...]

5 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

It's all a bit dis-orientating after the last 2 games. Are we suddenly that good once again? Or have we benefited from playing a couple of duff teams?

We've always had a first 11 capable of beating the best, but we've not had our first 11 available all season and we've been relying on squad players that are just not up to it, or have lost all motivation. 

 

The lack of transfer activity had also caused a bit of a malaise that spread through the squad that has been rectified by the January window. Lots of ex pros say how transfers galvanise a squad. Good players are excited to play with new talent and those that have been resting on their laurels get a kick up the backside and need to fight for their place. 

 

It's also a statement of intent from the owners. 

[owen]

Does anyone know where I might be able to watch the full game back? Couldn’t watch yesterday and sounds like I missed a cracker! 

[BluethroughtheMiddle]

2 minutes ago, Captain... said:

We've always had a first 11 capable of beating the best, but we've not had our first 11 available all season and we've been relying on squad players that are just not up to it, or have lost all motivation. 

 

The lack of transfer activity had also caused a bit of a malaise that spread through the squad that has been rectified by the January window. Lots of ex pros say how transfers galvanise a squad. Good players are excited to play with new talent and those that have been resting on their laurels get a kick up the backside and need to fight for their place. 

 

It's also a statement of intent from the owners. 

Great Post.

Edited 12 February 2023 by BluethroughtheMiddle