Patson Daka

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, StinckleyFox said:

Was this the only time that Nacho and Daka started up top together?

 

Started together up front against Brighton and within about 10 minutes (probably slightly exaggerating there)  they'd combined to score.

 

Literally both scored in that game, they were excellent. Unfortunately, the entire team shit the bed defensively, we conceded a cricket score and so Rodgers didn't try it again.

 

Edit: not an exaggeration at all it was 1 minute.

 

 

 

Edited 25 August 2023 by Finnegan

[StriderHiryu]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

I will never forgive Brendan Rodgers.

 

Honestly think his hubris did to this club just as much damage, if not more, than Peter Taylor.

Definitely possible

 

Just now, StinckleyFox said:

Was this the only time that Nacho and Daka started up top together?

I'm not sure, but they looked electric in this match. Not all teams are going to leave as much room in behind as Spartak did, but Daka looked absolutely elite here. Find him one on one and he will finish! Just like watching peak JV, but he was younger with maybe an even higher ceiling! Still can't quite believe we never got a player like this up and running. Mind you, we could say the same about Iheanacho. Didn't score but had a great performance, showing he could be a great team player, which he has done on numerous occasions.

 

No point crying over spilt milk, but when you see a performance like that, it's hard not to think about what could have been.

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

Definitely possible

 

I'm not sure, but they looked electric in this match. Not all teams are going to leave as much room in behind as Spartak did, but Daka looked absolutely elite here. Find him one on one and he will finish! Just like watching peak JV, but he was younger with maybe an even higher ceiling! Still can't quite believe we never got a player like this up and running. Mind you, we could say the same about Iheanacho. Didn't score but had a great performance, showing he could be a great team player, which he has done on numerous occasions.

 

No point crying over spilt milk, but when you see a performance like that, it's hard not to think about what could have been.

 

Watch his goal and assist in that Brighton game again man.

 

Laser guided cross to Iheanacho off his left foot and then the run, first touch and finish for his goal. Oof.

 

I'm genuinely angry sitting and watching what he's capable of.

 

[Verumex]

Is there any movement on Daka or are we all still ignoring Finnegan and pretending that Daka should retire from football and become a file clerk? 

[Finnegan]

Just now, Verumex said:

Is there any movement on Daka or are we all still ignoring Finnegan and pretending that Daka should retire from football and become a file clerk? 

 

Alan Nixon thinks he's going to Bournemouth but Alan Nixon is a Z tier Leicester source so eh.

 

I think it's fair to say that if Daka is still not in the squad against Rotherham and doesn't get a single minute against Tranmere that he's probably going to be gone by the end of next week.

 

[Gerard]

7 minutes ago, KFS said:

****ing degrading reading the Bournemouth forum where they are defining us as a ‘basket case club’

 

**** off Rodgers and Rudkin. 

 

Not wrong though are they? 

 

We are a basket case of a club, spent best part of £30m on two defenders in January now we want shot of them.

[Steve Earle]

9 minutes ago, KFS said:

****ing degrading reading the Bournemouth forum where they are defining us as a ‘basket case club’

 

**** off Rodgers and Rudkin. 

Entirely justified comment unfortunately 

[Chelmofox]

6 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Started together up front against Brighton and within about 10 minutes (probably slightly exaggerating there)  they'd combined to score.

 

Literally both scored in that game, they were excellent. Unfortunately, the entire team shit the bed defensively, we conceded a cricket score and so Rodgers didn't try it again.

 

Edit: not an exaggeration at all it was 1 minute.

 

That was peak Danny Ward gate, when he moved from 'very concerning' to 'completely catastrophic'. Just looking at some of his positioning there, you can understand why the back 4 ended up sh*ing the bed. They had no idea what he was up to.

 

And to think amongst it all, you had Nacho and Daka looking ok together in the first half.

[Lcfc-1992]

20 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

It's not.

What is it?

[moore_94]

 

[Fox1norfolk]

31 minutes ago, Drink Water said:

It worked last season when he helped win the treble for Man City. 

Slightly more talented squad

[splinterdream]

9 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

That was peak Danny Ward gate, when he moved from 'very concerning' to 'completely catastrophic'. Just looking at some of his positioning there, you can understand why the back 4 ended up sh*ing the bed. They had no idea what he was up to.

 

And to think amongst it all, you had Nacho and Daka looking ok together in the first half.

His positioning in that highlights reel, just shocking, I can't believe he's ever made it as a pro, it's so depressing looking back, we literally relegated ourselves in a season of self harm, it was so preventable.

 

As for daka, I don't think he's as bad as some make out, we just don't give players enough of a chance, but if Enzo doesn't like him he has to go, I hope we're getting another striker in though, I don't think vardy and nacho will get us the goals we need

[Finnegan]

22 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Not wrong though are they? 

 

We are a basket case of a club, spent best part of £30m on two defenders in January now we want shot of them.

 

First things first, lets just make this clear, Bournemouth fans throwing shade at anyone are having a laugh, especially a club that's won both of the two main pieces of domestic English silverware in the last  seven years on a non-Big Six budget. I don't really think we're a basket case club, I think we're a club that made some mistakes, are paying for them and are showing some positive signs in recovering from them.

 

There is no one universal model on running a football club. Every club is a different corporation and has an ever so slightly different structure and even within that, different staff are going to have different strengths and weaknesses. I think what's abundantly clear about Leicester is that Jon Rudkin's management style revolves heavily around being able to delegate to the staff beneath him. Whilst someone like Txiki Begiristain or Michael Zorc might be extremely hands-on, very knowledgeable about football and will lead the charge at their respective clubs when it comes to establishing a football culture and a recruitment direction, Rudkin is going to be a lot more reliant on his Head Coach and his Head of Recruitment to steer the ship.

 

For a span of four or so years, Nigel Pearson and Steve Walsh were probably the best double-act in English football in this regard. They knew exactly what they wanted, they had a pretty clear tactical direction, they understood the kind of footballers they wanted to recruit and they had an extremely clear idea of the sorts of personalities they wanted to bring in to the football club. They championed a growth in our recruitment intelligence which saw the likes of Riyad, Vardy, Kante and co' come in but they also understood the need for guys like Morgan, Fuchs, Huth, Cambiasso, Nugent, Wasilewski and co', hard grafting professionals with a lot of experience and leadership who wanted to fight to succeed.

 

It all started to go rotten when Rodgers came in. Rudkin, again, not really a massive football mind, cedes responsibility to Brendan Rodgers and appoints his buddy Monsieur Congerton and the two of them share a different philosophy on recruitment. The two of them, fuelled by Rodgers' hubris, his arrogant over-confidence in his own ability to "coach", have a fixation on what they termed 'broken players.' They actively went off to find players who had failed, they were looking for players with a lot of potential but for whom their careers had gone wrong. The archetypal Congerton 'broken' player pre-Leicester was someone like Fabio Borini, the one time next-big-thing that had flopped at Chelsea and Liverpool. And so begins the gradual transformation of Leicester's squad from a team of warriors to one with a soft, meek belly and a lack of spirit. Players with obvious flaws, players with easily shaken confidence, players desperately needing a coach and finding Poundshop David fvcking Brent when times were hard. 

 

We know what happened next and now the two are gone. The hope is that Maresca is the answer and certainly the early signs are positive. He's a strong personality and he'll need to be because, yet again, he'll be expected to lead the direction of the football club because - yet again - we don't have a technical director / director of football with a clear football vision and philosophy of his own. Rudkin will continue to drift from regime to regime just casually doing the business side of dealings and keeping the squad ticking over with nothing to actually contribute on who exactly we hire.

 

It doesn't make us a basket case, it just makes us a club whose philosophy is prone to shift with the changing of each regime. There are lots of clubs out there that do this and Bournemouth aren't exactly any great exception, are they?

 

Edited 25 August 2023 by Finnegan

[Weller Wing]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

First things first, lets just make this clear, Bournemouth fans throwing shade at anyone are having a laugh, especially a club that's won both of the two main pieces of domestic English silverware in the last  seven years on a non-Big Six budget. I don't really think we're a basket case club, I think we're a club that made some mistakes, are paying for them and are showing some positive signs in recovering from them.

 

There is no one universal model on running a football club. Every club is a different corporation and has an ever so slightly different structure and even within that, different staff are going to have different strengths and weaknesses. I think what's abundantly clear about Leicester is that Jon Rudkin's management style revolves heavily around being able to delegate to the staff beneath him. Whilst someone like Txiki Begiristain or Michael Zorc might be extremely hands-on, very knowledgeable about football and will lead the charge at their respective clubs when it comes to establishing a football culture and a recruitment direction, Rudkin is going to be a lot more reliant on his Head Coach and his Head of Recruitment to steer the ship.

 

For a span of four or so years, Nigel Pearson and Steve Walsh were probably the best double-act in English football in this regard. They knew exactly what they wanted, they had a pretty clear tactical direction, they understand the kind of footballers they wanted to recruit and they had an extremely clear idea of the sorts of personalities they wanted to bring in to the football club. They championed a growth in our recruitment intelligence which saw the likes of Riyad, Vardy, Kante and co' come in but they also understood the need for guys like Morgan, Fuchs, Huth, Cambiasso, Nugent, Wasilewski and co', hard grafting professionals with a lot of experience and leadership who wanted to fight to succeed.

 

It all started to go rotten when Rodgers came in. Rudkin, again, not really a massive football mind, cedes responsibility to Brendan Rodgers and appoints his buddy Monsieur Congerton and the two of them share a different philosophy on recruitment. The two of them, fuelled by Rodgers' hubris, his arrogant over-confidence in his own ability to "coach", have a fixation on what they termed 'broken players.' They actively went off players who had failed, they were looking for players with a lot of potential but for whom their careers had gone wrong. The archetypal Congerton 'broken' player pre-Leicester was someone like Fabio Borini, the one time next-big-thing that had flopped at Chelsea and Liverpool. And so begins the gradual transformation of Leicester's squad from a team of warriors to one with a soft, meek belly and a lack of spirit. Players with obvious flaws, players with easily shaken confidence, players desperately needing a coach and finding Poundshop David fvcking Brent when times were hard. 

 

We know what happened next and now the two are gone. The hope is that Maresca is the answer and certainly the early signs are positive. He's a strong personality and he'll need to be because, yet again, he'll be expected to lead the direction of the football club because - yet again - we don't have a technical director / director of football with a clear football vision and philosophy of his own. Rudkin will continue to drift from regime to regime just casually doing the business side of dealings and keeping the squad ticking over with nothing to actually contribute on who exactly we hire.

 

It doesn't make us a basket case, it just makes us a club whose philosophy is prone to shift with the changing of each regime. There are lots of clubs out there that do this and Bournemouth aren't exactly any great exception, are they?

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[Jimmy]

on another forum Bournemouth fans saying the deal going around down there is £15m with £2.5m with add ons

[Finnegan]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

on another forum Bournemouth fans saying the deal going around down there is £15m with £2.5m with add ons

 

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if that happened, we'd be taking quite a considerable loss. 

 

For that sort of money, we'd need to be fairly desperate for the income. We'd be much better off just letting a club take him on loan with no option and just getting them to cover his wages / amortisation. If he goes off and scores double figures somewhere in one of Europe's top five leagues we'd be able to sell him next year for substantially more than 15m (or take him back in to the fold reinvigorated if we go up, keeping in mind he'd be our only striker on the books.) We've got him under contract for a pretty long time, we could make a killing just loaning him around Europe for loan fees tbqh.

 

Only way we sell him for 15m now is if we've got a target lined up we think would be a really, really good permanent move. That or we're in more trouble for FFP than we realise.

 

Edited 25 August 2023 by Finnegan

[TommyK]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if that happened, we'd be taking quite a considerable loss. 

 

For that sort of money, we'd need to be fairly desperate for the income. We'd be much better off just letting a club take him on loan with no option and just getting them to cover his wages / amortisation. If he goes off and scores double figures somewhere in one of Europe's top five leagues we'd be able to sell him next year for substantially more than 15m (or take him back in to the fold reinvigorated if we go up, keeping in mind he'd be our only striker on the books.) We've got him under contract for a pretty long time, we could make a killing just loaning him around Europe for loan fees tbqh.

 

Only way we sell him for 15m now is if we've got a target lined up we think would be a really, really good permanent move. That or we're in more trouble for FFP than we realise.

 

Actually think that's a pretty good price. 

[Finnegan]

Just now, TommyK said:

Actually think that's a pretty good price. 

 

It is not.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

52 minutes ago, KFS said:

****ing degrading reading the Bournemouth forum where they are defining us as a ‘basket case club’

 

**** off Rodgers and Rudkin. 

What a trophy this is for Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic!

[mazarron fox]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

It is not.

Explain why you think that is not a good price when the bloke can’t hit a barn door with a banjo. It’s not what we paid ,that’s irrelevant it’s his value now baring in mind he’s not wanted by a championship team.

[James_lcfc]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

It is not.

We paid £23m for him didn't we?

 

If we end up making £17.5m back on a player that isn't even making our bench at the moment, surely that's pretty good business?

 

If we keep him for a year at this level and he barely features, his value will tank even further.

[Drink Water]

29 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said:

Slightly more talented squad

They also had slightly more talented opposition, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are no Millwall. Enzo has said we are only 10% of the way there, its a work in progress and many of the players are still getting used to each other as a team while building chemistry. 

[st albans fox]

15m is cool as it covers our o:s ffp exposure on amortisation and his loyalty bonus 

 

if we get the add ons then we stick a few quid in the positive ffp column at some point in the future 

 

would be good to get more than the exposure but beggars can’t be choosers 

[Fox1norfolk]

2 minutes ago, Drink Water said:

They also had slightly more talented opposition, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are no Millwall. Enzo has said we are only 10% of the way there, its a work in progress and many of the players are still getting used to each other as a team while building chemistry. 

The ‘system’ certainly works in the Premier League, but the Championship opposition are a completely different proposition

[Jobyfox]

15 minutes ago, TommyK said:

Actually think that's a pretty good price. 

I’m inclined to agree.

 

It’s not really relevant that we paid £23m for him as he’s exposed himself as not being PL quality.

 

I’d take £15m now before he exposes himself as not being Championship quality.