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47 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

First things first, lets just make this clear, Bournemouth fans throwing shade at anyone are having a laugh, especially a club that's won both of the two main pieces of domestic English silverware in the last  seven years on a non-Big Six budget. I don't really think we're a basket case club, I think we're a club that made some mistakes, are paying for them and are showing some positive signs in recovering from them.

 

There is no one universal model on running a football club. Every club is a different corporation and has an ever so slightly different structure and even within that, different staff are going to have different strengths and weaknesses. I think what's abundantly clear about Leicester is that Jon Rudkin's management style revolves heavily around being able to delegate to the staff beneath him. Whilst someone like Txiki Begiristain or Michael Zorc might be extremely hands-on, very knowledgeable about football and will lead the charge at their respective clubs when it comes to establishing a football culture and a recruitment direction, Rudkin is going to be a lot more reliant on his Head Coach and his Head of Recruitment to steer the ship.

 

For a span of four or so years, Nigel Pearson and Steve Walsh were probably the best double-act in English football in this regard. They knew exactly what they wanted, they had a pretty clear tactical direction, they understood the kind of footballers they wanted to recruit and they had an extremely clear idea of the sorts of personalities they wanted to bring in to the football club. They championed a growth in our recruitment intelligence which saw the likes of Riyad, Vardy, Kante and co' come in but they also understood the need for guys like Morgan, Fuchs, Huth, Cambiasso, Nugent, Wasilewski and co', hard grafting professionals with a lot of experience and leadership who wanted to fight to succeed.

 

It all started to go rotten when Rodgers came in. Rudkin, again, not really a massive football mind, cedes responsibility to Brendan Rodgers and appoints his buddy Monsieur Congerton and the two of them share a different philosophy on recruitment. The two of them, fuelled by Rodgers' hubris, his arrogant over-confidence in his own ability to "coach", have a fixation on what they termed 'broken players.' They actively went off to find players who had failed, they were looking for players with a lot of potential but for whom their careers had gone wrong. The archetypal Congerton 'broken' player pre-Leicester was someone like Fabio Borini, the one time next-big-thing that had flopped at Chelsea and Liverpool. And so begins the gradual transformation of Leicester's squad from a team of warriors to one with a soft, meek belly and a lack of spirit. Players with obvious flaws, players with easily shaken confidence, players desperately needing a coach and finding Poundshop David fvcking Brent when times were hard. 

 

We know what happened next and now the two are gone. The hope is that Maresca is the answer and certainly the early signs are positive. He's a strong personality and he'll need to be because, yet again, he'll be expected to lead the direction of the football club because - yet again - we don't have a technical director / director of football with a clear football vision and philosophy of his own. Rudkin will continue to drift from regime to regime just casually doing the business side of dealings and keeping the squad ticking over with nothing to actually contribute on who exactly we hire.

 

It doesn't make us a basket case, it just makes us a club whose philosophy is prone to shift with the changing of each regime. There are lots of clubs out there that do this and Bournemouth aren't exactly any great exception, are they?

 

Can we pin this in the main? 

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22 minutes ago, mazarron fox said:

Explain why you think that is not a good price when the bloke can’t hit a barn door with a banjo.

 

10 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

he’s exposed himself as not being PL quality.

 

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Just now, CastagnesLasagnes said:

fairplay to rudders if we get £25m for him ...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12446289/Bournemouth-25million-Leicester-City-Patson-Daka-Everton-Senegalese-international.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailsport

the veracity of the article falls apart when he’s described as Senegalese …..

 

it says we value him at £25m

Just as we valued madders at £65m and Barnes at £50m 

 

there isn’t a chance that we get anything like 25m

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2 minutes ago, CastagnesLasagnes said:

fairplay to rudders if we get £25m for him ...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12446289/Bournemouth-25million-Leicester-City-Patson-Daka-Everton-Senegalese-international.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailsport

25m sounds fair. 15m with 2.5m add ons seemed like we were having our pants pulled down. 

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8 minutes ago, CastagnesLasagnes said:

fairplay to rudders if we get £25m for him ...

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12446289/Bournemouth-25million-Leicester-City-Patson-Daka-Everton-Senegalese-international.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailsport

Struggle to take this seriously when they claim he’s Senegalese 

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10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

the veracity of the article falls apart when he’s described as Senegalese …..

 

it says we value him at £25m

Just as we valued madders at £65m and Barnes at £50m 

 

there isn’t a chance that we get anything like 25m

 

 

I can only assume the 25m includes wages from a 10 year contract..

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2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

First things first, lets just make this clear, Bournemouth fans throwing shade at anyone are having a laugh, especially a club that's won both of the two main pieces of domestic English silverware in the last  seven years on a non-Big Six budget. I don't really think we're a basket case club, I think we're a club that made some mistakes, are paying for them and are showing some positive signs in recovering from them.

 

There is no one universal model on running a football club. Every club is a different corporation and has an ever so slightly different structure and even within that, different staff are going to have different strengths and weaknesses. I think what's abundantly clear about Leicester is that Jon Rudkin's management style revolves heavily around being able to delegate to the staff beneath him. Whilst someone like Txiki Begiristain or Michael Zorc might be extremely hands-on, very knowledgeable about football and will lead the charge at their respective clubs when it comes to establishing a football culture and a recruitment direction, Rudkin is going to be a lot more reliant on his Head Coach and his Head of Recruitment to steer the ship.

 

For a span of four or so years, Nigel Pearson and Steve Walsh were probably the best double-act in English football in this regard. They knew exactly what they wanted, they had a pretty clear tactical direction, they understood the kind of footballers they wanted to recruit and they had an extremely clear idea of the sorts of personalities they wanted to bring in to the football club. They championed a growth in our recruitment intelligence which saw the likes of Riyad, Vardy, Kante and co' come in but they also understood the need for guys like Morgan, Fuchs, Huth, Cambiasso, Nugent, Wasilewski and co', hard grafting professionals with a lot of experience and leadership who wanted to fight to succeed.

 

It all started to go rotten when Rodgers came in. Rudkin, again, not really a massive football mind, cedes responsibility to Brendan Rodgers and appoints his buddy Monsieur Congerton and the two of them share a different philosophy on recruitment. The two of them, fuelled by Rodgers' hubris, his arrogant over-confidence in his own ability to "coach", have a fixation on what they termed 'broken players.' They actively went off to find players who had failed, they were looking for players with a lot of potential but for whom their careers had gone wrong. The archetypal Congerton 'broken' player pre-Leicester was someone like Fabio Borini, the one time next-big-thing that had flopped at Chelsea and Liverpool. And so begins the gradual transformation of Leicester's squad from a team of warriors to one with a soft, meek belly and a lack of spirit. Players with obvious flaws, players with easily shaken confidence, players desperately needing a coach and finding Poundshop David fvcking Brent when times were hard. 

 

We know what happened next and now the two are gone. The hope is that Maresca is the answer and certainly the early signs are positive. He's a strong personality and he'll need to be because, yet again, he'll be expected to lead the direction of the football club because - yet again - we don't have a technical director / director of football with a clear football vision and philosophy of his own. Rudkin will continue to drift from regime to regime just casually doing the business side of dealings and keeping the squad ticking over with nothing to actually contribute on who exactly we hire.

 

It doesn't make us a basket case, it just makes us a club whose philosophy is prone to shift with the changing of each regime. There are lots of clubs out there that do this and Bournemouth aren't exactly any great exception, are they?

 

Excellent post. Was thinking exactly the same thing earlier today, we’re a club that’s almost wholly defined by our manager rather than the DoF or board. That’s why we have managers rather than ‘coaches’. And that comes with big risks, exemplified by the massive player turnover currently taking place. 
 

And whatever most clubs say, they’re similar. Don’t think I could pick out many PL clubs that can simply replace one manager with another and maintain the same if not similar playing style. Brighton and Brentford are two clubs, can’t think of many others. 

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1 hour ago, Jobyfox said:

I’m inclined to agree.

 

It’s not really relevant that we paid £23m for him as he’s exposed himself as not being PL quality.

I mean he really hasn't though? 

 

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Ok pretty mediocre passing, average shooting and poor take ons, but a good defensive forward and a good creative streak. He's shown to be a mediocre prem striker. Not the man who Liverpool were supposedly looking at when we signed him but definitely good enough for a lower midtable side

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He’s a good striker for a team that plays a specific way. We don’t play to his strengths under Enzo so he’s not going to be used here. This will end up being another Kramaric situation where he goes on to do well in the future. It’s just not been a good fit with us. 

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1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

 

I can only assume the 25m includes wages from a 10 year contract..

The article says that we value him at 25

does it say anywhere the Bournemouth are likely to pay that ?

 

his wages have dropped from 80 to 50 

I would think they would pay him that 

 

strictly speaking there is unlikely to be any balance on his wages to be covered in any deal -  for fear of repeating myself this will be causing problems with our sales. if I were an agent I would be demanding the balance if we’re promoted. 
 

and if any deal does have to include any wage balance then the fee is going to be suppressed rather than inflated (because Bournemouth are going to want that amount they have to pay him off the fee). 

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2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

First things first, lets just make this clear, Bournemouth fans throwing shade at anyone are having a laugh, especially a club that's won both of the two main pieces of domestic English silverware in the last  seven years on a non-Big Six budget. I don't really think we're a basket case club, I think we're a club that made some mistakes, are paying for them and are showing some positive signs in recovering from them.

 

There is no one universal model on running a football club. Every club is a different corporation and has an ever so slightly different structure and even within that, different staff are going to have different strengths and weaknesses. I think what's abundantly clear about Leicester is that Jon Rudkin's management style revolves heavily around being able to delegate to the staff beneath him. Whilst someone like Txiki Begiristain or Michael Zorc might be extremely hands-on, very knowledgeable about football and will lead the charge at their respective clubs when it comes to establishing a football culture and a recruitment direction, Rudkin is going to be a lot more reliant on his Head Coach and his Head of Recruitment to steer the ship.

 

For a span of four or so years, Nigel Pearson and Steve Walsh were probably the best double-act in English football in this regard. They knew exactly what they wanted, they had a pretty clear tactical direction, they understood the kind of footballers they wanted to recruit and they had an extremely clear idea of the sorts of personalities they wanted to bring in to the football club. They championed a growth in our recruitment intelligence which saw the likes of Riyad, Vardy, Kante and co' come in but they also understood the need for guys like Morgan, Fuchs, Huth, Cambiasso, Nugent, Wasilewski and co', hard grafting professionals with a lot of experience and leadership who wanted to fight to succeed.

 

It all started to go rotten when Rodgers came in. Rudkin, again, not really a massive football mind, cedes responsibility to Brendan Rodgers and appoints his buddy Monsieur Congerton and the two of them share a different philosophy on recruitment. The two of them, fuelled by Rodgers' hubris, his arrogant over-confidence in his own ability to "coach", have a fixation on what they termed 'broken players.' They actively went off to find players who had failed, they were looking for players with a lot of potential but for whom their careers had gone wrong. The archetypal Congerton 'broken' player pre-Leicester was someone like Fabio Borini, the one time next-big-thing that had flopped at Chelsea and Liverpool. And so begins the gradual transformation of Leicester's squad from a team of warriors to one with a soft, meek belly and a lack of spirit. Players with obvious flaws, players with easily shaken confidence, players desperately needing a coach and finding Poundshop David fvcking Brent when times were hard. 

 

We know what happened next and now the two are gone. The hope is that Maresca is the answer and certainly the early signs are positive. He's a strong personality and he'll need to be because, yet again, he'll be expected to lead the direction of the football club because - yet again - we don't have a technical director / director of football with a clear football vision and philosophy of his own. Rudkin will continue to drift from regime to regime just casually doing the business side of dealings and keeping the squad ticking over with nothing to actually contribute on who exactly we hire.

 

It doesn't make us a basket case, it just makes us a club whose philosophy is prone to shift with the changing of each regime. There are lots of clubs out there that do this and Bournemouth aren't exactly any great exception, are they?

 

Great post. Minor edit - Nugent was a Sven signing ;)

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