Our Next Manager

[Nalis]

All these Leeds fans are sadly comppunding my initial fears.

[Manc Fox J]

If rumours are to be believed, and Top is either looking to sell to or seeking investment from Red Bull, are we seeing another Paulo Sousa style appointment in Jesse Marsch? 

 

How did that turn out last time? 

[Larry_LCFC]

His record with Leeds was appalling. What the hell are we doing? Top has lost the plot.

[Pub breath]

As a Leeds fan, I'll try and give as measured a judgement on Marsch as I can.

 

I do think it's true that he gets a rougher ride from Leeds fans due to not being Bielsa.  There's a fair bit of forum group think about him online, that's not entirely shared offline.

 

He's not a tactician.  He's actually similar to Bielsa in one way, and that is he has a plan A and plan B is to make plan A work better.  Plan A is a narrow formation with an absolutely rabid press.  He will have you winning the ball back very high and then transitions take place rapidly.  It certainly isn't possession football.  There is a madness and chaos to it all that leads to entertaining games more often than not.  We were scoring plenty of goals at the start of the season but they began to dry up, for some reason and that's ultimately when results were too often going against us.

 

He had some poor luck this season, that much is undeniable.  Plenty of results went against us despite us being on top in games and creating more clear chances than the opponents.  It was always a bit hard to fathom why that kept happening but its hard not to think it's just a product of the poorly conceived system.  It leaves you so vulnerable to a switch of play, quick counter or long through ball and we conceded similar goals all the time.

 

The biggest thing to take note of is that we have a decent squad and we all knew it.  It's probably a mid table squad.  In only a handful of games, Gracia has managed to prove that and got us in mid table form.  I'm yet to be fully convinced he's a top tier manager either but he's been able to achieve a set of results Marsch couldn't seem to at any point.  That's probably the most clear example of where JM is as a manager.

 

I don't hate him like many seen to.  I don't think he's a bad guy but just says too much and too often that's the wrong thing.  He had some really odd attitudes and quirks at Leeds that did him very few favours with the fans and probably the players alike.

 

  It's not beyond rational thought that he could galvanise you and save your arses.  I wouldn't bet your lives on it though.

Edited 8 April 2023 by Pub breath

[Kitchandro]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

 

if it was till the end of the season I’d be up for it. Trouble is, if he kept us up, there’d be people wanting him permanently..

This is the problem with all of them unfortunately.

 

The same happened with Shakespeare. Great interim appointment. The players respected him and he got the best out of them for a couple of months to steer us to safety.

 

Then he tried implementing his tactics and it went downhill. It was clear we should have been looking for someone else in the summer. But our club thought he had potential for some reason. Wasted another season with a slow start and could only attract a sub-standard manager.

 

It’s the repeating of mistakes that makes the running of this club so poor and I’ve no doubt that if we stay up the manager will be given time, even if it’s clear he isn’t fit for a long term appointment. We will waste another season.

 

Repeating ourselves but waiting so long means we are left with only poor options. It’s clear we need one person to keep us up and another for long term rebuilding but the club do not have that sort of sense.

[l444ry]

Can see a situation where supporters will be reviewing their options next season if Marsch gets the job long term. And not just the so called glory fans since 2016. Marsch, clappers, goal music and championship football allied to the cost of living is hardly an appetising prospect. Surely the club need to aim higher than this and give fans something to hang on to. Can see Non League football  benefitting from all this.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Haha we really have gone full circle. I’m fully on board with Big Sam.

[Muzzy_no7]

Just gonna post a decent manager’s name again in the hope it stands out amongst all the sh*te on here.

 

ADI HUTTER.

 

Hell I’d rather have Benitez than Marsch. 

[Mr Weller 2]

7 minutes ago, l444ry said:

Can see a situation where supporters will be reviewing their options next season if Marsch gets the job long term. And not just the so called glory fans since 2016. Marsch, clappers, goal music and championship football allied to the cost of living is hardly an appetising prospect. Surely the club need to aim higher than this and give fans something to hang on to. Can see Non League football  benefitting from all this.

You go and watch Coalville my friend. There are plenty of young fans desperate for your ticket.

[ALC Fox]

7 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

In what world is he more exciting 

 - A world in which he's been schooled by Leipzig's most successful manager, the one that dragged them through the divisions and helped set the template for the success of several of Red Bull's teams, not just with tactics but recruitment. (Yes, Ragnick failed at Man Utd but he was on a hiding to nothing there, and from the start many didn't respect the work he was currently doing in football administration nor his body of work at Leipzig. It was classic small-minded footballer syndrome where if a manager is even a remotely left-field choice, footballers don't know who they are and don't respect them. It's the same mentality as the one that led to Chelsea's overpriced signings having to Google who Graham Potter was and calling him 'Hogwarts'. Marsch has been in the league and saved Leeds once, which should protect him from the same kind of instant disrespect.)

 

- A world in which he's still young, still learning and still has lots to give to the game.

 

- A world in which his reputation is on the line with every job he takes rather than one in which his reputation is secure but continues to take jobs that won't really injure the footballing world's perception of him.

 

- A world in which many reputable European football journalists were clamouring for him to come to the Premier League not too long ago.

 

(By the way, I'm well aware that my head may be in the clouds. I just prefer to get on board the optimistic bus. I always do. They say it's the hope that kills you but I'm still going despite the disappointments along the way.)

[l444ry]

3 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

You go and watch Coalville my friend. There are plenty of young fans desperate for your ticket.

I've got a hospitality season ticket my friend. Places available most weeks now for any desperate young fans should they so desire.

Edited 8 April 2023 by l444ry

[Old Fox]

2 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

 - A world in which he's been schooled by Leipzig's most successful manager, the one that dragged them through the divisions and helped set the template for the success of several of Red Bull's teams, not just with tactics but recruitment. (Yes, Ragnick failed at Man Utd but he was on a hiding to nothing there, and from the start many didn't respect the work he was currently doing in football administration nor his body of work at Leipzig. It was classic small-minded footballer syndrome where if a manager is even a remotely left-field choice, footballers don't know who they are and don't respect them. It's the same mentality as the one that led to Chelsea's overpriced signings having to Google who Graham Potter was and calling him 'Hogwarts'. Marsch has been in the league and saved Leeds once, which should protect him from the same kind of instant disrespect.)

 

- A world in which he's still young, still learning and still has lots to give to the game.

 

- A world in which his reputation is on the line with every job he takes rather than one in which his reputation is secure but continues to take jobs that won't really injure the footballing world's perception of him.

 

- A world in which many reputable European football journalists were clamouring for him to come to the Premier League not too long ago.

 

(By the way, I'm well aware that my head may be in the clouds. I just prefer to get on board the optimistic bus. I always do. They say it's the hope that kills you but I'm still going despite the disappointments along the way.)

Are you in PR?

 

love the optimism sadly it will be unfounded as he’s carp!!

[Deeg67]

1 minute ago, Old Fox said:

Are you in PR?

 

love the optimism sadly it will be unfounded as he’s carp!!

I think he's more salmon, myself.

[Leicester_Loyal]

8 minutes ago, Mr Weller 2 said:

You go and watch Coalville my friend. There are plenty of young fans desperate for your ticket.

Is there? Hardly selling out home tickets, and even aways are making it to members atm and not selling out for until close to the game day. 
 

Be at about 1.5k or so who don’t renew next season I’m sure, plenty of STs for those who want one. 

[SK3Blue]

So what wasn't good enough for Leeds, is good enough for us eh Top

[1972 Fox]

1 hour ago, TaggertvsWise said:

Currently I’m for Alladyce. We need grounding and setting up well from the back, sorting our set pieces.

Shame that Warnock took the Huddersfield job. Unpopular with most on here but would've been a better fit than Allardyce IMO.

 

Great man manager and ideal for the interim role until the end of the season.

[He's_Magic]

We need a change, someone who will come and not be influenced by the past or want to play a particular system that doesn't suit our players. Sadly, we no longer have the players to play the tactics that have brought us success in the past, despite that seemingly being S&S's plan A.

It may be ugly, but if it keeps us up, anything will do. Big Sam, Marsch, whoever, but I think they need to have no history or connection with the club and be given free reign to just keep us up.

[st albans fox]

46 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Perhaps he didn't want it?

Perhaps he’s making the tactical calls but doesn’t want to be front and centre. He certainly appeared two or three times in the tech area on Tuesday when he hadn’t ever before. 
 

we simply don’t know what’s going on behind the facade …..

[Guest nathan.]

7 minutes ago, SK3Blue said:

So what wasn't good enough for Leeds, is good enough for us eh Top

Do you remember how Leeds rated Kasper?

[jayfox26]

At least if we get Jesse Marsch we can sing the famous American chant of "we believe that we will win". How ironic that would be. 

[fox_favourite]

2 minutes ago, jayfox26 said:

At least if we get Jesse Marsch we can sing the famous American chant of "we believe that we will win". How ironic that would be. 

“FIGGHHHHHTTT ANNNDDD WWWWIIIINNNN!”

 

 

Edited 8 April 2023 by fox_favourite

[chapero82]

6 minutes ago, nathan. said:

Do you remember how Leeds rated Kasper?

Complete different situation! We could all see that Kasper had class but with this situation we can all see Marsch is 💩

[oundlefox]

Marsch the bookies favourite. If he gets the job, this is world class trolling by the board. 

[chapero82]

I haven’t been much this season and I won’t be renewing my ticket. I’ve lost interest massively this season which has never happened before! I was there in the league one days. And I caught the train on the snowy night to watch us play against Middlesbrough and I much preferred them days to this. We seen hopeless at the minute

[Deeg67]

All this idiocy and jingoistic vitriol over Marsch and there isn't even a firm link to the job, that's the really funny part.