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Our Next Manager

By StanSP, in Leicester City Forum

Leicester's Next Manager   

841 members have voted

  1. 1. Leicester's Next Manager

    • Ange Postecoglou
      41
    • Rafa Benitez
      116
    • Graham Potter
      366
    • Michael Carrick
      35
    • Ralph Hassenhuttl
      43
    • Thomas Frank
      109
    • Other (state who)
      131

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ChrisFilter

ChrisFilter

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1 hour ago, LeedsW5 said:

Guys, Leeds fan in peace here - let me tell you about Jesse Marsch. 

 

First of all, he wasn't onto a hiding to nothing coming in after Bielsa. Yes, we loved Bielsa because of his achievements with us and the amazing football, but most Leeds fans could see it wasn't working by the time he went. There was an open mind and a willingness to see what he could do. 

 

The problem we'd had under Bielsa was three-fold. First, he wanted a tiny squad. We entered last season with 18 senior pros on the books, which meant that when we got injuries (and we got loads) we simply didn't have the squad depth to cover them. Second, we relied on certain players - mainly Bamford and Phillips - to make the system work. With them out, we found ourselves losing the ball a lot more and conceding a lot more goals. Third, Bielsa refused to change. In games needing crucial points he'd go out guns blazing, kids in crucial positions rather than adapt to the players he had available. And this resulted in some pretty hefty defeats, which led to his sacking. Throughout this period we'd had no problems scoring goals, we'd just been conceding far too many of them. 

 

So in comes Jesse Marsch. His first game (away at you guys) he abandons the man-for-man marking system, marks up zonally at set pieces and operates a far more RB-style trap press, letting you play into certain areas before springing to win the ball back. But the attack he leaves alone, and it is probably the best performance of his entire tenure. Barnes nicks a goal for you guys and we lose 1-0, but a game we'd dominated and deserved all three points. 

 

From this point on, he sets about dismantling the way we attack. Our attack which had looked incisive ahead of a shaky defence falls to pieces, and the defence doesn't improve massively as he implements his RB system. We are very lucky to nick a last-minute winner at home to Norwich, and have Raul Jimenez getting sent off to thank for three points at Molineux. We get three lucky draws against Saints, Palace and Brighton. Wins against Watford and Brentford on the final day are deserved to keep us up. But throughout this there is no clear upward trajectory in performances, in defensive solidity or in attacking output. Instead we seem to just get some of the luck we'd missed in the first half of the season and nick some results

 

Which brings us to this season, and the full implementation of Marschball. 

 

Essentially, it's no more complicated than this:

  • Stay narrow to stop the opponent playing through the middle
  • Press the oppo into losing the ball to create chances
  • Pass direct to goal (i.e. forwards through the middle) with as few touches as possible. 

You'll not that there is no plan to use the wings to attack, or to break down a defense while in possession. This is by design - under Marschball these things just don't happen. Which makes it very easy to defend against, as you just defend narrow and sit in behind the ball, playing on the break. This makes the system incredibly ineffective against teams willing to do just that - i.e. the entire bottom half of the PL. We've regularly had situations this year of 4 or 5 players stood around within 5 yards of the ball, all nonplussed as to what they should be doing because there is no attacking plan to speak of when a Marschball team is in possession. This is also why some of our better performances (Arsenal home, Spurs away, Liverpool away) have been against better teams than ourselves who will try and play through the Marsch press, and oftentimes get stuck in it. 

 

This is also by design, because the RB system was designed to make Salzburg and Leipzig competitive in the Champions League / Bundesliga while competing largely against teams they could simply outspend. You beat Bochum by having a squad worth 400 million euros, not by on-pitch tactics, those are reserved for Dortmund, Bayern and the Champions League. The problem is that in the EPL the quality is a lot higher - both of players and coaches - meaning not only can you not just financially outgun most of your league, but higher-up coaches will spot the way to break the RB system and take it, which is exactly what Brentford did both times we played them, as did you earlier this season. 

 

Marsch was very lucky not to be sacked earlier this season after we were beaten by Fulham at home in an awful performance, but kept his job after fluking an away win at Anfield and a mad-dash home win against Bournemouth, which should have got him the sack for the manner of the performance against the worst team in the league. When he actually was sacked, after a 1-0 defeat at Forest in which we struggled to create anything at all, it was to the widespread relief of the entire fanbase because there was absolutely no doubt that he was taking us down. 

 

What would Marsch at Leicester look like? Well I don't see how Maddison fits into his system, or Barnes, or most of your squad really. And I don't think his 'system' will work any better at Leicester than it has at Leeds, Man Utd or Southampton, or any of the other clubs where unreconstructed Rangnick disciplines have coached recently. It's a system out of its time and those coaches that have made it work to a certain degree - Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Rose - have moved away from it to a more possession-based system of management. Marsh at some points looked like he was starting to understand this, but it's like he's a novice manager working out that not everything Ralf Rangnick is true and he needs to work out some new ideas - but has no clue where to start. 

 

Appoint Marsch now and you may survive this season, but you are without a doubt down next season (probably after sacking him, leaving you in a worse place). He's not a good manager and I wouldn't wish him on any club in the league, except perhaps Chelsea and Manure. 

 

 

Thanks for taking the time. Although it’s throughly depressing to read 😂 

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FoxyJim1987

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9 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Puel who saved us from relegation and revamped the squad with quality signings?

Wonder if these kind of posts will be made about Rodgers in a few years? Rodgers who won us the cup, shield and got us 5th twice?

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chapero82

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1 minute ago, ChrisFilter said:

I’ve seen a few references to Red Bull looking at us… where has this come from? Or is it some weird circular reference that people are inferring from the Jesse Marsch stuff? 

Literally just scroll up this page and you would see Fabrizio has said he’s a favourite 

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STUHILL

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1 minute ago, ChrisFilter said:

I’ve seen a few references to Red Bull looking at us… where has this come from? Or is it some weird circular reference that people are inferring from the Jesse Marsch stuff? 

Weird and circular, but at this point I would be more than happy for our new stadium to be shaped like a red bull can, if it meant new investment! 

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ChrisFilter

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Just now, chapero82 said:

Literally just scroll up this page and you would see Fabrizio has said he’s a favourite 

Yeah, I’ve seen that… I just wondered if there was any more substance to the chat about Red Bull investing in the club. But it seems not. 

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2 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

Literally just scroll up this page and you would see Fabrizio has said he’s a favourite 

that's Marsch becoming manager, not a red bull takeover of the club. think it's just inferred from the suggestion we were considering three managers who'd worked for red bull teams, but that's probably just because there's a lot of them around 

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20 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

This is basically a crap husband panic shopping for his wife’s gifts on Christmas Eve…. Just picking up random objects. 

You are right. You can see it a mile off when you aren’t doing it, but on Christmas Eve I am that husband. 

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RedSoxUK

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39 minutes ago, LeedsW5 said:

What would Marsch at Leicester look like? Well I don't see how Maddison fits into his system, or Barnes, or most of your squad really. And I don't think his 'system' will work any better at Leicester than it has at Leeds, Man Utd or Southampton, or any of the other clubs where unreconstructed Rangnick disciplines have coached recently. It's a system out of its time and those coaches that have made it work to a certain degree - Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Rose - have moved away from it to a more possession-based system of management. Marsh at some points looked like he was starting to understand this, but it's like he's a novice manager working out that not everything Ralf Rangnick is true and he needs to work out some new ideas - but has no clue where to start. 

 

Appoint Marsch now and you may survive this season, but you are without a doubt down next season (probably after sacking him, leaving you in a worse place). He's not a good manager and I wouldn't wish him on any club in the league, except perhaps Chelsea and Manure. 

Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsman, Rose - isn't part of this due to their superior squads at their point in time. Man for man better quality of player. It's perhaps less seen because they're going to have a bit more ball possession, and also as a result less intense pressing for a 90 minute period. I'd expect Marsch to learn from some of your defensive frailties and factor it in if he wants to develop as a manager.

 

I don't dispute the rest of what you say as you're the Leeds fan that watched it all, but I do think we have a core group that can do this better than your lot. Daka (obviously,) KDH, Ricardo, Kristianson. Barnes too would well inside and excels when he has a 10 / passer with him and a wing back on the outside. Likewise it puts Maddison central though covering the right as he has been. I think Daka in particular would really excel. If we're looking at a 4222 / 4231 hybrid then the best we have would be:

 

Iverson

 

Kristianson

Faes

Souttar

Ricardo

 

KDH

Youri

 

Barnes 

Maddison

 

Daka

Nacho

 

Nacho being the one dropping off, as Maddison moves right and Barnes left.

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3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

that's Marsch becoming manager, not a red bull takeover of the club. think it's just inferred from the suggestion we were considering three managers who'd worked for red bull teams, but that's probably just because there's a lot of them around 

Oh apologies I haven’t seen that 

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6 minutes ago, ChrisFilter said:

Yeah, I’ve seen that… I just wondered if there was any more substance to the chat about Red Bull investing in the club. But it seems not. 

Oh I’m really sorry about that, I haven’t seen that either 

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Finnegan

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It's just hilarious failing upwards. 

 

Who watches someone fail that badly in this league and thinks he's the man to hire? He wasn't just a bit bad and unlucky at Leeds, he couldn't buy a win and got sacked with the club in serious trouble. 

 

And it's not like he has any previous premier league success to fall back on. He got given a chance and was exposed. He should be going back off to get a job somewhere to rebuild his reputation not being given a better job as a reward. And I'm sorry Leeds fans, you were massive once, decades ago, but we are an objectively bigger job right now. 

 

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studentofthegame

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About as uninspiring an appointment is you can get, a guy that has failed at both of his previous two jobs, including one in this same season in this same league

His only success was managing the one team in a one team league and one of those seasons he only won the league because LASK had a point deduction

Picked up 4 wins in his last 21 games for Leeds and 2 of those were against Accrington and Cardiff 

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