Rudkin

[Chrysalis]

3 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

I think a fair few of us are wondering why were we wasting our time negotiating with a player who was never interested in joining us? 

 

There's being ambitious, then there's being deluded. The squad looks threadbare and it seems we put a lot of work into trying to secure a deal with a completely disinterested player. Doesn't look great does it? Especially when Soule chucks in the extra dig about the sporting project. 

Indeed.

 

We also seem more likely to ditch Cannon than Daka, and the manager says he needs an attacking midfielder, umm why did we sell KDH then without an immediate replacement.

 

What's going on?

 

I guess Rudkin panics and signs the Palace striker who scored 5 a season.

Edited 1 August by Chrysalis

[The Doctor]

he's absolutely right about the lack of a sporting project. there's no clear joined up thinking or identity to the club (wonder if there's a director role that relates to football that would be responsible for implementing that), but it's a bit of a "no shit" comment. 

[LCFCJohn]

12 hours ago, Babylon said:

You presume to know what that means, via an Italian translation. 
 

My interpretation is purely they would prefer a project that’s not near enough a total right off before it starts. Newly promoted club, points deduction… would all of us not choose someone else with more chance of a better place finish if we weren’t fans. 
 

And he can preach that now, but I absolutely guarantee you he’s used our interest to leverage a better deal at Roma. I would also be amazed that an agent would also not persuade a client to move here for a giant pay rise, had there not been other interest. 

It feels as though you are using the newly promoted/points deduction etc as a justification for it making Rudkin’s job harder.

 

But those factors are as a result of him (and others, Top, Whelan maybe as well as finance people as well as

Rodgers and Congerton) screwing up so significantly in the first place. This is a situation of the clubs own making with Rudkin central to footballing matters so it is a situation they need to fix and not be used as an excuse either by or for them as to how it makes the job more difficult!

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

It feels as though you are using the newly promoted/points deduction etc as a justification for it making Rudkin’s job harder.

 

But those factors are as a result of him (and others, Top, Whelan maybe as well as finance people as well as

Rodgers and Congerton) screwing up so significantly in the first place. This is a situation of the clubs own making with Rudkin central to footballing matters so it is a situation they need to fix and not be used as an excuse either by or for them as to how it makes the job more difficult!

You are conflating two entirely different things, we aren't discussing who put us here. The job to attract people is harder now, but that doesn't change what went before and pointing out it's now harder isn't absolving anyone of blame for previous errors. It's merely a fact. 

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, Babylon said:

You are conflating two entirely different things, we aren't discussing who put us here. The job to attract people is harder now, but that doesn't change what went before and pointing out it's now harder isn't absolving anyone of blame for previous errors. It's merely a fact. 

I am trying to juggle but I have cut my own arm off.

Its my fault I cut my arm off.

Its now harder for me to juggle.

[Babylon]

8 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

1) Just to be clear the anti-Rudkin bit doesn’t come from us suggesting that the club has no plan that is just the voice of a young player and his agent spouting his mouth off take no notice.

The thing that the club/ Rudkin got wrong is waisting time making multiple offers for a player that clearly had no interest in coming

That's exactly what was intimated by the OP. As usual people want to take an Italian translation of sporting project to mean we have no plan etc etc. When in reality the fara more obvious thing is we just currently aren't that attractive a proposition. But, lets not that get in the way of a good old Rudkin bashing again. 

 

We don't really know if they had no interest prior to Roma, or we certainly don't know what encouragement we had. Agents will likely have intimated interest in just getting a big offer on the table for their client. 

[Babylon]

9 hours ago, VLC86 said:

If you choose to ignore the facts, maybe.

What on earth are you talking about. We are discussing why a player might not currently see us as a great choice. The reality is we are a newly promoted club, with a large points deduction hanging over our head, with well publicised financial issues. What went before is a totally different discussion, it's not ignoring why we are here. 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I am trying to juggle but I have cut my own arm off.

Its my fault I cut my arm off.

Its now harder for me to juggle.

I can juggle one handed. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I can juggle one handed. 

No you can't, nobody can.

[Babylon]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

No you can't, nobody can.

I can... for some unknown reason I decided to teach myself to juggle at the age of 10 and spent way too many hours on it.  Three balls, one hand (sounds like a weird internet porn thing) easy peasy. 

[Oldblueyes]

Please Babylon, don't  encourage them for gods sake.

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, Oldblueyes said:

Please Babylon, don't  encourage them for gods sake.

I like them frothing at the bit. 

[LFEFox23]

16 hours ago, VLC86 said:

 

 

I have absolutely no doubt the guy wanted to go to Roma, just really made me laugh when we got called out for not having “a sporting project”.

Hmmm I think we've got to be realistic here, our ''Sporting Vision'' wouldn't be very ambitious in the next 3/4 years especially compared to clubs like Juve , Roma or even West Ham... We've took a massive step backwards being relegated and this will effect us as a club for 10 years. We need to steady the ship for the next few seasons and being safe / boring is realistically what it will be.

 

I would of thought our objectives for the next few years would be as below, this wouldn't be an attractive prospect or classed as ambitious  

 

Season 24/25 - (Priority) Avoid Relegation (Successful) Position between 11th - 14th (Bonus) Top Ten

Season 25/26 - (Priority) Position between 11th - 14th (Successful) Top Ten (Bonus) Top Six

Season 26/27 - (Priority) Position between 9th - 11th (Successful) Top Eight (Bonus) Top Six

Season 27/28 - (Priority) Position between 8th - 10th (Successful) Top Seven (Bonus) Top Six

[Tommy G]

32 minutes ago, LFEFox23 said:

Hmmm I think we've got to be realistic here, our ''Sporting Vision'' wouldn't be very ambitious in the next 3/4 years especially compared to clubs like Juve , Roma or even West Ham... We've took a massive step backwards being relegated and this will effect us as a club for 10 years. We need to steady the ship for the next few seasons and being safe / boring is realistically what it will be.

 

I would of thought our objectives for the next few years would be as below, this wouldn't be an attractive prospect or classed as ambitious  

 

Season 24/25 - (Priority) Avoid Relegation (Successful) Position between 11th - 14th (Bonus) Top Ten

Season 25/26 - (Priority) Position between 11th - 14th (Successful) Top Ten (Bonus) Top Six

Season 26/27 - (Priority) Position between 9th - 11th (Successful) Top Eight (Bonus) Top Six

Season 27/28 - (Priority) Position between 8th - 10th (Successful) Top Seven (Bonus) Top Six

Possible before PSR, impossible now. 

[Tielemans63]

This isn't a dig at Rudkin directly, more the leadership at the club, however I'm not sure where else to post this.

 

Are the club actually serious about staying up? Genuine question. With the PSR problems and points deduction on the horizon, I'm wondering if they're thinking that it's not worth throwing money at right now.

 

Maybe they're taking the view that we're unlikely to stay up with the restrictions so keep our powder dry, don't spend too much and see where we're at after this season when we'll know where we stand In terms of sanctions. Might explain the total lack of urgency in the transfer market. 

 

I appreciate this would be a hell of a risk, but the board have gambled on the club's future in the past. I just can't think of another reason for us being so inactive in improving the squad. The appointment of Cooper looked a bit half-arsed too.

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

But, lets not that get in the way of a good old Rudkin bashing again. 

 

I agree with a lot of what you've said but we don't really appear to have any "sporting project" (let's be honest, this is a very woolly term) at the moment beyond just "desperately try to survive."

 

This time last year it looked like we did. We were talking extensively about learning lessons, we hired a young manager with a vision, he was talking a lot about building something - probably even used the word project - and we acted quickly to sign a bunch of players to fit his philosophy. 

 

That's pretty much the opposite of our situation now isn't it. 

 

Whenever we have a change in head coach, too much changes at the club. Systems change, approaches change, the entire transfer philosophy seems to change. We don't seem to succession plan very well at all and we don't seem to have a sporting director or director of football with his own vision but instead one that relies on a head coach coming in with their own preferences.

 

It's not really controversial to say any of that is it. 

[Babylon]

10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I agree with a lot of what you've said but we don't really appear to have any "sporting project" (let's be honest, this is a very woolly term) at the moment beyond just "desperately try to survive."

 

This time last year it looked like we did. We were talking extensively about learning lessons, we hired a young manager with a vision, he was talking a lot about building something - probably even used the word project - and we acted quickly to sign a bunch of players to fit his philosophy. 

 

That's pretty much the opposite of our situation now isn't it. 

 

Whenever we have a change in head coach, too much changes at the club. Systems change, approaches change, the entire transfer philosophy seems to change. We don't seem to succession plan very well at all and we don't seem to have a sporting director or director of football with his own vision but instead one that relies on a head coach coming in with their own preferences.

 

It's not really controversial to say any of that is it. 

If an agent walks into the club and says what is your plan... Rudkin isn't going to laugh, shurg his shoulders and run away. He would sit there and show them the training ground, the plans for ground expansion. Would discuss wanting to play a certain way, they would sell the club. Whether you might agree with that or not, those not exactly up to speed of the exact mechanics of the club would be spun a good story at the very least. It's not like we don't have a recent history of success to back it up. 

 

My point is, the obvious answer here is that we just aren't that much of an attracttive proposition being newly propmoted and with a poits deduction there. I'm not arguing we have some amazing plan, because we're trying to work with one arm tied behind our backs aren't we. It's a risky "project" for someone to join, probably one doomed to failure. Despite people wanting to see it as an agent taking a dig at Rudkin. 

[Tielemans63]

“We want to add players to the squad, particularly at the top end of the pitch. That’s what we’re trying to do. We were so close to getting a few in this week that haven’t quite worked out. So we’ll move onto the next ones.

 

"We know where we want to strengthen, we know where we want to improve. If we can improve a starter in the team, we’ll do that, and we know we need to strengthen the competition in some places as well."

 

Another feather in Rudkin's cap.

[Tommy G]

49 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said:

“We want to add players to the squad, particularly at the top end of the pitch. That’s what we’re trying to do. We were so close to getting a few in this week that haven’t quite worked out. So we’ll move onto the next ones.

 

"We know where we want to strengthen, we know where we want to improve. If we can improve a starter in the team, we’ll do that, and we know we need to strengthen the competition in some places as well."

 

Another feather in Rudkin's cap.

To be fair it’s likely to be the same situation at every club up and down the leagues, you will have a tonne of targets, you aren’t getting all of them, the easy ones will come at the start of the window (our case) with more quality to follow. 
 

If that isn’t the case then we’re a bit fecked 

[filthyfox]

4 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

“We want to add players to the squad, particularly at the top end of the pitch. That’s what we’re trying to do. We were so close to getting a few in this week that haven’t quite worked out. So we’ll move onto the next ones.

 

"We know where we want to strengthen, we know where we want to improve. If we can improve a starter in the team, we’ll do that, and we know we need to strengthen the competition in some places as well."

 

Another feather in Rudkin's cap.

He's a clever fellow, that Rudkin.  Why do people despise him so?

[Gav_LCFC14]

Stealing a living.

[Muzzy_no7]

How

on 

earth

is

this

plonker

still 

here 

[CosbehFox]

Anyone thought about that our transfer process has gone to utter shit cos he’s fell out with one agent he had a decent relationship with? 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Anyone thought about that our transfer process has gone to utter shit cos he’s fell out with one agent he had a decent relationship with? 

Yes and it's funny how agent fees have been called on Asprilla and Soule. He doesn't have a clue.

[Lambert09]

doesn’t help himself does he. If i was struggling to get players in i’d probably be at least focusing on getting a youngster tied down to increase the positivity around the club.  A deal for Alves or Nelson would be incredibly welcomed and at this stage we could actually do it… give it a few months and a big club comes sniffing or we lose alves to someone like brighton or villa.  You can see it coming a mile off.