Manager for the Championship rebuild - who do you want?

[Lesta2014]

Surely we hear something this week? Not very active on Twitter or socials which already feels similar to last summer. 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 hours ago, StinckleyFox said:

Don’t understand why everyone is so pressed about gerrard. Had a bad time with villa in his second season but did a great job with rangers. Could potentially bring in some Liverpool youth on loan or even poach some that aren’t up to the level of playing for Liverpool.

 

Wouldn’t be my first choice but definitely isn’t as bad as some people are making out that he is. 

Mi Mam could manage Rangers or Celtic and she knows jack shit about football.  

[Pliskin]

Only one man really left. 

[Good times and the bad]

27 minutes ago, TeaMen Tom said:

I'd rather they keep Smith. At least he has somewhat of a track record managing - unlike these two.

I think we’re underestimating Smith and Shakespeare. 
Smith did a fine job at Walsall, Brentford and the one that most parallels our situation, Villa where he got them up from the Championship when they were in all sorts of trouble. 
His recruitment at Villa was also excellent with many of the players he identified still playing in Emery’s team. 
I also think that he deserves more credit for getting 9 points out of 8, let’s not forget with the same outfit that stunk the place out against Bournemouth. 
Ultimately he was probably a penalty save against Everton away from keeping us up when we’d been shocking before he got here. 
I appreciate that Norwich didn’t go well last year, though they ended up significantly lower in the league than when he left them. 
Shakespeare also understands the culture that is required at our club for success as well as being an excellent coach.
 

I’d also welcome the appointment of Potter though he was at a brilliantly run club at Brighton. 
 

The thought of Gerrard makes me think I’ll be renewing my ST in League one this time next year. 

Edited 4 June 2023 by Good times and the bad

[Stinkenzo]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Mi Mam could manage Rangers or Celtic and she knows jack shit about football.  

Must run in the family then 

[ClaphamFox]

14 minutes ago, Good times and the bad said:

I think we’re underestimating Smith and Shakespeare. 
Smith did a fine job at Walsall, Brentford and the one that most parallels our situation, Villa where he got them up from the Championship when they were in all sorts of trouble. 
His recruitment at Villa was also excellent with many of the players he identified still playing in Emery’s team. 
I also think that he deserves more credit for getting 9 points out of 8, let’s not forget with the same outfit that stunk the place out against Bournemouth. 
Ultimately he was probably a penalty save against Everton away from keeping us up when we’d been shocking before he got here. 
I appreciate that Norwich didn’t go well last year, though they ended up significantly lower in the league than when he left them. 
 

I’d also welcome the appointment of Potter though he was at a brilliantly run club at Brighton. 
 

The thought of Gerrard makes me think I’ll be renewing my ST in League one this time next year. 

Maybe the club has deliberately leaked the Gerrard rumour so that when they announce Smith we’ll all be relieved?

[Good times and the bad]

4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Maybe the club has deliberately leaked the Gerrard rumour so that when they announce Smith we’ll all be relieved?

😄Maybe

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Nothing from John Percy or The Atlantic on this?

I think we’ll get something from Tanner tomorrow. He does like a Monday article. 

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

I think we’ll get something from Tanner tomorrow. He does like a Monday article. 

It will be a nicely-written 3000 piece that basically admits he has no idea who our next manager will be.

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Stinky said:

You really think players see it the same way that you do through your tinted specs? young lad who's Chelsea through and through and adored Lampard growing up gets offered the chance to be managed by him for a season, thinks nah he stunk the room out at Everton. Your head is in the sand. 

 

Hmm, why would Chelsea allow their kids to go on loan and play under the manager they just hired to see out their season? Bloody hell 

You don’t know the players are seeing it through your tinted specs either.

You’re been a tad excitable over some wording on a couple of occasions in this thread, are you ok? Bloody hell

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Nothing from John Percy or The Atlantic on this?

I like what you did there, indicating that our next manager could well be washed up 

[Bluearmyfox28]

14 hours ago, NasPb said:

Nuno espirito santo. Absolutely perfect for what we need. Only thing i don't like about him is the connection with jorge mendes. 

 

 

 

 

 

Pragmatic, defensively sound and has experience in the championship. We don't need some young non experienced manager. Need someone who's not too old like rafa but not as naive as some of the younger managers. Perfect middle point is nuno. Yes please 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a huge contract in Saudi, can’t see the club buying it out. Great shout though.

[Bluearmyfox28]

My final 3 would be:

 

(1) Potter - Whether you like it or not he will bring a clear sense of direction for everyone at the club to work towards, something this club desperately lacks. Has history of completing rebuilds and leaving teams in a much better place (other than Chelsea).

(2) Hasenhuttl - Full of energy, would lift the place completely at the club. Fans would feed of his energy and plays an attacking high press, something we’ve appeared to want for a long time now.

 

(3) Smith - No adjustment period needed, will know the issues within club from the off. The players like him, brilliant man manager and has done it before with Villa.

 

[HeskeyForever]

35 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

My final 3 would be:

 

(1) Potter - Whether you like it or not he will bring a clear sense of direction for everyone at the club to work towards, something this club desperately lacks. Has history of completing rebuilds and leaving teams in a much better place (other than Chelsea).

(2) Hasenhuttl - Full of energy, would lift the place completely at the club. Fans would feed of his energy and plays an attacking high press, something we’ve appeared to want for a long time now.

 

(3) Smith - No adjustment period needed, will know the issues within club from the off. The players like him, brilliant man manager and has done it before with Villa.

 

 

Would agree with your first two - I think I'd be relatively happy with Nuno Espirito Santo too if he was being considered.

 

My issue with Smith is that despite the fact that he only had 8 games, there wasn't really a noticeable improvement in the way we played. He also made some decisions that were really questionable, like waiting until the Newcastle game to shut up shop and grind out points. I was bitterly disappointed in his post-match interview when he suggested that it was positive that we took Everton to the final game of the season - he had multiple games where he could have adopted a similar approach and chose not to. 

 

The most compelling reason not to keep him in my opinion is that he's already formed bad habits, allowed some players to play with complacency and ultimately, overseen the relegation of the club. If we're to return to being more ruthless, we need to be much more critical of underperformance and in my view, Smith failed in the main job he came here to do. I don't believe that he has the skill or capacity to fully utilise Seagrave either, which is something we desperately need from our new manager. 

 

[HybridFox]

If we're considering Gerrard, we might as well keep Dean Smith

[Bluearmyfox28]

52 minutes ago, HeskeyForever said:

 

Would agree with your first two - I think I'd be relatively happy with Nuno Espirito Santo too if he was being considered.

 

My issue with Smith is that despite the fact that he only had 8 games, there wasn't really a noticeable improvement in the way we played. He also made some decisions that were really questionable, like waiting until the Newcastle game to shut up shop and grind out points. I was bitterly disappointed in his post-match interview when he suggested that it was positive that we took Everton to the final game of the season - he had multiple games where he could have adopted a similar approach and chose not to. 

 

The most compelling reason not to keep him in my opinion is that he's already formed bad habits, allowed some players to play with complacency and ultimately, overseen the relegation of the club. If we're to return to being more ruthless, we need to be much more critical of underperformance and in my view, Smith failed in the main job he came here to do. I don't believe that he has the skill or capacity to fully utilise Seagrave either, which is something we desperately need from our new manager. 

 

Nuno would be a good choice, but like I’ve said in a earlier post, he’s on a big contract in Saudi, which ultimately I can’t see us buying him out of.
 

Whilst I hear you, ultimately he had 8 games it was about getting results no matter what. Like DS said after the Newcastle game, “it was ugly, but we got a point, so I’m sorry to no one for that” truthfully he was right. 
 

The complacency was there throughout I would honestly say 3/4 of the squad had checked out sadly. 
 

Personally don’t understand this big deal about Seagrave, it’s a training ground ultimately. It’s what you do on the training ground that matters. If you build a positive, healthy environment then all this stuff about seagrave and segregation etc will slow disappear anyway. 

[iancognito]

1 hour ago, HeskeyForever said:

 

Would agree with your first two - I think I'd be relatively happy with Nuno Espirito Santo too if he was being considered.

 

My issue with Smith is that despite the fact that he only had 8 games, there wasn't really a noticeable improvement in the way we played. He also made some decisions that were really questionable, like waiting until the Newcastle game to shut up shop and grind out points. I was bitterly disappointed in his post-match interview when he suggested that it was positive that we took Everton to the final game of the season - he had multiple games where he could have adopted a similar approach and chose not to. 

 

The most compelling reason not to keep him in my opinion is that he's already formed bad habits, allowed some players to play with complacency and ultimately, overseen the relegation of the club. If we're to return to being more ruthless, we need to be much more critical of underperformance and in my view, Smith failed in the main job he came here to do. I don't believe that he has the skill or capacity to fully utilise Seagrave either, which is something we desperately need from our new manager. 

 

You answer your own question here, he only had 8 games. Changing Rodgersball in the space of 4 or 5 weeks was never going to happen. Look at O'Neill's first dozen games. Pearson's second coming. It takes time to shape a squad and like you hinted at with the complacency of the players he can only do that with his own recruits, not certain players whose levels clearly dropped this season especially after Rodgers left.

 

A lot of people are negative about him because he didn't have much impact when he came in but he's shown if he gets a group together like he did at Villa, he can get promotion. I personally think that we can do better than Smith but you'd struggle to find coaches more experienced than Terry & Shakespeare and if it's a choice between Smith or Gerrard, then it's Smith every time.

 

I assume Smith is still in the frame because it's been a week and still no word from the club about "thanking Dean Smith and his staff for their services".

Edited 5 June 2023 by iancognito

[gurru991]

Please, Please, Please ... Not Gerrard . Give Vardy the job if we have to but no Gerrard !!

[Stinkenzo]

7 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

You don’t know the players are seeing it through your tinted specs either.

You’re been a tad excitable over some wording on a couple of occasions in this thread, are you ok? Bloody hell

no I stand by what I say, you're absolutely looney if you think young Chelsea/Liverpool players would refuse/be refused to go and play under Lampard/Gerrard for a season because they're the worst managers on the planet. 

[Bilo]

BREAKING: Offer made by Leicester City to Irish managerial pair after their surprise win for Craggy Island FC.

[Scotch]

I think we'll hear from the club today. I reckon it'll be clarification on Smith staying or going. Either a message about him signing a new contract or a "Thanks for the effort" one. 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Scotch said:

I think we'll hear from the club today. I reckon it'll be clarification on Smith staying or going. Either a message about him signing a new contract or a "Thanks for the effort" one. 

They won’t announce anything about Smith until they’ve signed a deal either with him or with somebody else. The situation may become clearer after West Ham’s game on Wednesday.

Edited 5 June 2023 by ClaphamFox

[Stadt]

Nuno is a bad manager 

[Scotch]

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

They won’t announce anything about Smith until they’ve signed a deal either with him or with somebody else else. The situation may become clearer after West Ham’s game on Wednesday.

They won't announce he's staying until after he's signed obviously but I don't think they'll appoint a new manager before they clarify his position publicly. 

[CosbehFox]

1 week burned already then. 9 to piss away left