lfu Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: Still think people are quick to write off Smith, Shakey and Co. They didn't have long enough to turn it round but they were, we went for over 1 hour with no goals conceded. The damage was done with Rodgers. Smith built solid foundations at Brenford, and Villa, look at both clubs now, of course their current managers are good but a lot of it are in the foundations, the ethos, the spirit of the club. To me Smith is a proven championship manager. Terry has to have some contacts for loan deals. SST staying on wouldn't be my preferred choice but I'd be willing to give them a shot. Whoever we appoint it should be as soon as possible. My biggest concern is Smith continuing to be found wanting tactically. There's a question mark over whether Terry wants to stay on too - he said a few months back that he wasn't interested in managing long-term at the moment, I'm not sure if that counts being a first team coach/ assistant manager, but he's an absolute requirement for Smith staying IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtcity Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 I see Potter being loosely linked with the spurs job this morning so I’d be surprised to see him drop down to the championship… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Big hint really is what we did after binning Rodgers, which was this weird fixation with the Red Bull model. Most if not all of the names on Sambiasso's list have been involved with them in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quick Brown Fox Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Dean Smith didn't do enough to warrant getting the job full time in my Opinion. We need a refresh, big names to leave and start afresh in the Championship, I said it before and I will say it again. Bring Pearson back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Just now, lfu said: My biggest concern is Smith continuing to be found wanting tactically. There's a question mark over whether Terry wants to stay on too - he said a few months back that he wasn't interested in managing long-term at the moment, I'm not sure if that counts being a first team coach/ assistant manager, but he's an absolute requirement for Smith staying IMO. Has he though? He admitted mistakes on the first games but in fairness it takes time to get to know a squad, they know the squad now. They were trying to get results. The last 2 we set up really well and with a few more games I think we'd have stayed up easily. Agree I'd want all three, I think between them they add value we need 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 7 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: Perfect sounds like a good plan. Not cunning enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Just now, browniefox said: Dean Smith didn't do enough to warrant getting the job full time in my Opinion. We need a refresh, big names to leave and start afresh in the Championship, I said it before and I will say it again. Bring Pearson back. He's had 8 games though? To me that's not nearly enough. It takes 2 or 3 at least to figure out the squad, who can do what etc. I think he could do a job here, the other realistic candidates don't do it for me. I mean the Blackburn manager, who's attacking stats are appalling, has done nothing but midtable, the only reason people suggest him is because he schooled Rodgers in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue ROI Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 8 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: To be honest they were outside the playoff, was he given long enough? Teams are too quick to sack managers these days, it needs time to build a proper set up and structure, that can included getting worse to get better! Maybe these days it shouldn't be the manager as they come and go, but clubs need to have a identity, a vision, its clear we don't have one and Rudkin has no clue, so we need someone string in there to drive the club. Thats like people insulting us and suggesting Brendan wasn't backed. If Norwich fans were unhappy then we can trust their judgement on that thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Fox Posted 29 May 2023 Author Share Posted 29 May 2023 9 minutes ago, Stinky said: Big hint really is what we did after binning Rodgers, which was this weird fixation with the Red Bull model. Most if not all of the names on Sambiasso's list have been involved with them in the past. Red Bull Leicester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: To be honest they were outside the playoff, was he given long enough? Teams are too quick to sack managers these days, it needs time to build a proper set up and structure, that can included getting worse to get better! Maybe these days it shouldn't be the manager as they come and go, but clubs need to have a identity, a vision, its clear we don't have one and Rudkin has no clue, so we need someone string in there to drive the club. They were actually 5th when he was sacked at Norwich, although 12 points off automatics They actually got worse after he left as well Edited 29 May 2023 by moore_94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 2 minutes ago, Blue ROI said: Thats like people insulting us and suggesting Brendan wasn't backed. If Norwich fans were unhappy then we can trust their judgement on that thinking. But they are even more shit now? Either way I'm not sure 6 months is long enough to get results. If Norwich want the Watford model then that's up to them. If a manager isn't given time how on earth can they build anything? Also I don't think Shakey and JT were at Norwich. Where Villa and Brenfird are now is no small mistake in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 If there’s any chance of getting Jaissle then we must make him our number one target. I’ve banged on about the guy way too much over the past year, but watching him and his Salzburg team in action, he comes across as the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quick Brown Fox Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 21 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: He's had 8 games though? To me that's not nearly enough. It takes 2 or 3 at least to figure out the squad, who can do what etc. I think he could do a job here, the other realistic candidates don't do it for me. I mean the Blackburn manager, who's attacking stats are appalling, has done nothing but midtable, the only reason people suggest him is because he schooled Rodgers in the cup. Yes and after the 2 or 3 he decided our best centre mid was Youri and Soumare, And stuck with them until the end. The results speak for themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 It needs to be someone that feels fresh and new. Someone people can get behind as a new era. That isn’t Smith, as he’s looked a bit lost over the last few weeks and is now tarnished with relegation. It isn’t Hassenhutl or Vieria, as they’ve recently failed at similar/smaller clubs. Potter is maybe an exception because of what he built at Brighton and it would be seen as a coup. Jaissle is a risk but it might be exactly what we need right now. Take a gamble and hope he’s a breath of fresh air. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 1 minute ago, browniefox said: Yes and after the 2 or 3 he decided our best centre mid was Youri and Soumare, And stuck with them until the end. The results speak for themselves. He got 9 points from his 8 games didn't he? Not brilliant, but more than 1 PPG will keep you up if you extrapolate it over a season. Smith is an average manager, yet he managed to get way more out of the squad than BR did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonthedog Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Top ..... Whoever you decide upon ... now is not the time to dither and wait around ..... pick you man and go for him ... and give him time and funds to begin to rebuild this club .... and give him the respect to choose his staff and director of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonthedog Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 Top ..... Whoever you decide upon ... now is not the time to dither and wait around ..... pick you man and go for him ... and give him time and funds to begin to rebuild this club .... and give him the respect to choose his staff and director of football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 44 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said: Still think people are quick to write off Smith, Shakey and Co. They didn't have long enough to turn it round but they were, we went for over 1 hour with no goals conceded. The damage was done with Rodgers. Smith built solid foundations at Brentford, and Villa, look at both clubs now, of course their current managers are good but a lot of it are in the foundations, the ethos, the spirit of the club. To me Smith is a proven championship manager. Terry has to have some contacts for loan deals. Need a more inspirational manager Smith, Rodgers, Puel etc did not appear very emotional pitch side. Let’s have a ‘character’ for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sankey93 Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 25 minutes ago, kingfox said: If there’s any chance of getting Jaissle then we must make him our number one target. I’ve banged on about the guy way too much over the past year, but watching him and his Salzburg team in action, he comes across as the real deal. I like the idea of this. It’s a risk but I think I might be ok with the trio we got now to bring us back up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fishwick Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 2 hours ago, happy85 said: Jon Dahl Tomasson please no. He's ****ing shite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxin_Mad Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Need a more inspirational manager Smith, Rodgers, Puel etc did not appear very emotional pitch side. Let’s have a ‘character’ for a change. Who is the character? Im willing to listen to names but feel we are looking fo someone who doesnt exist now. Smith seemed pretty animated yesterday. I think we need to head back down the route of fitness, sports science, sports physcholgy, match analytics ala the Pearson days as for a smaller club that is what can give you the edge, that and really clever recruitment. I understand Smith is into the sports science etc. That's what won us the league. Edited 29 May 2023 by Foxin_Mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfox Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 2 minutes ago, Sankey93 said: I like the idea of this. It’s a risk but I think I might be ok with the trio we got now to bring us back up! Numerous Championship clubs have taken risks on young upcoming managers and had decent success. Kompany, Edwards, Carrick being the prime examples this season. I could praise Jaissle in many ways, but most important of all, he has the likability factor. I’d take someone like him over Dean Smith any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 (edited) I haven’t seen it mentioned in here yet (i’m sure it will be) but isn’t potter to nice all but done? Supposedly the only reason it’s not is because of the owners potential purchase of man U. Edited 29 May 2023 by Lambert09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ricey said: It needs to be someone that feels fresh and new. Someone people can get behind as a new era. That isn’t Smith, as he’s looked a bit lost over the last few weeks and is now tarnished with relegation. It isn’t Hassenhutl or Vieria, as they’ve recently failed at similar/smaller clubs. Potter is maybe an exception because of what he built at Brighton and it would be seen as a coup. Jaissle is a risk but it might be exactly what we need right now. Take a gamble and hope he’s a breath of fresh air. Absolutely (though I've no idea who Jaissle is!). We need a cultural re-set, and that is likely to require strong leadership - a Brian Little or Nigel Pearson type maybe? I'd take Potter in a heartbeat, even though his strength isn't his most obvious characteristic Edited 29 May 2023 by Steve Earle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn Posted 29 May 2023 Share Posted 29 May 2023 16 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Need a more inspirational manager Smith, Rodgers, Puel etc did not appear very emotional pitch side. Let’s have a ‘character’ for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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