Leicester City £100m action plan revealed in worst-case scenario

[moore_94]

3 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

It's a bad look being involved in this.

Disagree.

 

If they are found guilty they deserve to be taken to the cleaners by every team who has a potential case against them which includes us.

[SemperEadem]

24 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Disagree.

 

If they are found guilty they deserve to be taken to the cleaners by every team who has a potential case against them which includes us.

Some front from our top brass wanting to go after a team bending rules.

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, SemperEadem said:

Some front from our top brass wanting to go after a team bending rules.

...if you have put your house in order and abide by the rules governing the leagues, it is appropriate to condem other teams who seek to break the rules!!!

  If this was Manchester City bringing this action, then it would indeed be hypocrisy. 

[Jordan]

56 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Some front from our top brass wanting to go after a team bending rules.

Whatever issues City had with “bending the rules” City may have had and this Everton situation are so completely different. Edit: this last line was out of order so I’m deleting it and I’m sorry to @SemperEadem for writing it.

Edited 29 October 2023 by Jordan

[StanSP]

9 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Some front from our top brass wanting to go after a team bending rules.

Could it be argued that 'bending the rules' and 'breaking the rules' are two separate things though? Even if separated by a fine line... 

[SemperEadem]

8 minutes ago, Jordan said:

Whatever issues City had with “bending the rules” City may have had and this Everton situation are so completely different. Your post is a stupid way to try to sound clever.

Ok

[SemperEadem]

10 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...if you have put your house in order and abide by the rules governing the leagues, it is appropriate to condem other teams who seek to break the rules!!!

  If this was Manchester City bringing this action, then it would indeed be hypocrisy. 

The Man City point because why, they were doing it on a bigger scale to us?

[coolhandfox]

19 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Some front from our top brass wanting to go after a team bending rules.

Didn't we get the appropriate punishment at the time? 

[SemperEadem]

6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Didn't we get the appropriate punishment at the time? 

I guess that would fall to interpretation of what is appropriate or not.

[Beechey]

22 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I just don’t buy the blame game. We and we alone  are responsible for going down. We weren’t just bad we were truly awful and probably played the worst I have seen Leicester play in many  many years.  
 

we absolutely got what we deserved.

We don't compete in a vacuum. Whilst I also think we deserved to be relegated, what other clubs do, including rule breaking, clearly has an effect on how other teams perform in the league.

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, Beechey said:

We don't compete in a vacuum. Whilst I also think we deserved to be relegated, what other clubs do, including rule breaking, clearly has an effect on how other teams perform in the league.

 

i mean, we had rules changed because of us…

 

we can talk about how we didn’t break any laws but that  doesn’t mean we can take the moral high ground either and point fingers elsewhere..

[coolhandfox]

Just now, SemperEadem said:

I guess that would fall to interpretation of what is appropriate or not.

The fact the EPL and the club came to an agreement makes it appropriate. 

 

[sacreblueits442]

15 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

The Man City point because why, they were doing it on a bigger scale to us?

...more recent and no doubt still doing it now and more importantly, know that the powers that be  are afraid to take them on!!!

[coolhandfox]

Just now, MPH said:

 

i mean, we had rules changed because of us…

 

we can talk about how we didn’t break any laws but that  doesn’t mean we can take the moral high ground either and point fingers elsewhere..

So if you break the speeding law once doing 31 MPH in a 30, you can't take the morale high ground if someone kills 5 people doing a 100 MPH in a 30? 

[Jordan]

30 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Didn't we get the appropriate punishment at the time? 

 

23 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

I guess that would fall to interpretation of what is appropriate or not.

City didn’t get a punishment for one alleged breach that the EFL was investigating.

 

City and the EFL settled and agreed that City did not deliberately breach any rules and that City would pay the EFL £3.1m.

 

It might seem like semantics but this is a big distinction.

 

If we want to go all the way back to administration days then that’s such a different issue that it’s not even worth explaining.

 

As for Man City, they have been charged with 115 breaches over a multi year period. Everton have been charged with a major violation of FFP and while we are still light on the details, nobody has (or can) really conclusively explain where the over £300m loss has gone.

 

It’s also fair to note that these are different charges under a different league with different rules and different resolution processes than the EFL, and these cases could wind up in a much different outcome than City’s—namely, that Everton are found guilty and given a major sanction including a points deduction.

 

It would be a dereliction of duty for City’s board of directors, who are obligated to act in the best interests (including fiduciary interests) of the club, to not take action against Everton if Everton are found guilty and if there are legal recourses available to City to do so.

.

 

 

Edited 29 October 2023 by Jordan

[orangecity23]

The EFL FFP rules were introduced right after we'd spent a whole load of money under Sven and had an inflated wage bill. That implementation of the rules was specifically designed and deployed quickly with the intention that we would fail them. In the promotion season, we barely spent anything, we signed Dean Hammond, Wasyl on a free transfer then later on Kevin Phillips and Mahrez (such financial irresponsibility, this transfer ). We cut spending right back, and took advantage of some loopholes, but I don't think thats a bad thing, in the context of rules being designed expressly by your rival teams in the league to deliberately set you up to fail them based on money already spent before the rules were introduced at short notice.

 

Of course, most clubs in the Championship have since fallen foul of EFL FFP rules at some point since, so people in glass houses and all that. Almost every team in the Championship runs at a loss trying to chase after the big bucks in the Prem, the whole thing is a house of cards waiting to fall down at some point. I think I read that even Luton made a loss last season, with their tiny wage bill - ultimately, the Championship just isn't a viable league to be in for any extended period of time.

 

Prem FFP is a completely different kettle of fish, in a league where the revenues are orders of magnitude higher, the rules much looser, and the punishments (so far) are non existent. If Everton have managed to fall foul of even that, then they should be punished. Of course, the entire financial system at the top of football, and the way the big 6 clubs and their super league pals are given a free ride to bigger commercial revenues and an express pass for the cash machine that is the Champions League is another matter entirely.

Edited 29 October 2023 by orangecity23

[Spiritwalker]

It’s clear that Everton have breached the rules over the last few years but with Man City going 

unpunished how can the authorities punish any other club? The whole thing is a farce.

[MPH]

2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

So if you break the speeding law once doing 31 MPH in a 30, you can't take the morale high ground if someone kills 5 people doing a 100 MPH in a 30? 

 

is that really a fair comparison in the context of our discussion?

[coolhandfox]

46 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

is that really a fair comparison in the context of our discussion?

The notion I'm making is severity makes a difference.

 

 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, coolhandfox said:

The notion I'm making is severity makes a difference.

 

 

 

well if we had been deducted 10 points for going into administration then that could have made a huge difference could it not have? For all intents and purposes it seems like we took a very easy route out of our issues by going into administration 

 

plus in the 13-14 season we paid  millions in a settlement for breaching the FFP rules so you could argue , even if we operated within the rules for administration we certainly have no moral high ground to be critical of others. I mean, if we are talking about the letter of the law Man City have done nothing wrong as they were acquitted weren’t they?

[Beechey]

4 hours ago, Spiritwalker said:

It’s clear that Everton have breached the rules over the last few years but with Man City going 

unpunished how can the authorities punish any other club? The whole thing is a farce.

The Man City case is far more complex. Man City has also been referred to the same independent commission as Everton - I would assume that case is just taking much longer as there's way more to look into.

[urban.spaceman]

58 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

well if we had been deducted 10 points for going into administration then that could have made a huge difference could it not have? For all intents and purposes it seems like we took a very easy route out of our issues by going into administration 

 

plus in the 13-14 season we paid  millions in a settlement for breaching the FFP rules so you could argue , even if we operated within the rules for administration we certainly have no moral high ground to be critical of others. 

I’ve never understood the point of the argument about a 10 point deduction in 2002/3. There were no such rules in place until after that season and even if there had been, we still would have been automatically promoted anyway.

 

And the other elephant in the room is what caused our administration in the first place - the trigger was Eric Hall suing us on behalf of D*nn*s W*s* for wrongful dismissal after he broke another player’s jaw in his ****ing sleep, but other mitigating circumstances were the brand new stadium, high wages with a PL squad after a relegation. Which could have been coped with were it not for ITV Digital’s collapse which affected every single club outside the Premier League. That was literally out of our hands and not something that could have been helped. 
 

And again with EFLFFP - we have it on record from the EFL that we absolutely did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. We were fully vindicated. 

 

58 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

I mean, if we are talking about the letter of the law Man City have done nothing wrong as they were acquitted weren’t they?

Man City were “acquitted” by a CAS judging panel of whom they were allowed to appoint 66%. And they weren’t deemed to have done nothing wrong, in fact the evidence that they broke the rules is extremely damning. But they were let off because the rule breaking was deemed by CAS to be “time barred” by 5 years according to a UEFA technicality. And guess what? Man City absolutely and completely refused to cooperate with UEFA for 5 years. Their chairman is literally on record saying he would rather spend £50m on lawyers to sue UEFA than pay a £30m fine.

 

They used the exact same methods with the Premier League, who actually started their investigation into them in 2018. They bogged the PL down in so much litigation that the papers weren’t even allowed to report on the court case until late 2021. Even when they finally did bring the 115 charges another 2 years later, they only pertained to 2008-2018. There’s rumours that they’re still investigating the period from then to present day, which they absolutely should, because they are the biggest cheats in football and need to be held accountable. 
 

There is absolutely none, zero, zip, **** all, comparison with Manchester City abe our administration in 2002 or the 2014 EFL FFP accusations that we were fully acquitted of. None. 
 

Man City is a special case because they represent the authorities failure to hold them accountable but also their absolute fear of dealing with clubs with mega rich owners who couldn’t give a **** about the rules and have the means to thundergun their way through them. They missed their opportunity to stop Chelsea from doing it and we are going to see Newcastle do it from now on too. The PL/FA need to hand out the biggest punishment possible and take control of the league for once - expulsion from the league and a ban for 10 years with a 500 point fine would be nice.

[sacreblueits442]

3 hours ago, MPH said:

 

is that really a fair comparison in the context of our discussion?

...it is somewhat overstated, but the argument is the same!!!

I hate to disagree with your argument, but once you have served your prison term, you are not going to watch others getting off scot-free, due to technicalities.

[SemperEadem]

23 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I’ve never understood the point of the argument about a 10 point deduction in 2002/3. There were no such rules in place until after that season and even if there had been, we still would have been automatically promoted anyway.

 

And the other elephant in the room is what caused our administration in the first place - the trigger was Eric Hall suing us on behalf of D*nn*s W*s* for wrongful dismissal after he broke another player’s jaw in his ****ing sleep, but other mitigating circumstances were the brand new stadium, high wages with a PL squad after a relegation. Which could have been coped with were it not for ITV Digital’s collapse which affected every single club outside the Premier League. That was literally out of our hands and not something that could have been helped. 
 

And again with EFLFFP - we have it on record from the EFL that we absolutely did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. We were fully vindicated. 

 

Man City were “acquitted” by a CAS judging panel of whom they were allowed to appoint 66%. And they weren’t deemed to have done nothing wrong, in fact the evidence that they broke the rules is extremely damning. But they were let off because the rule breaking was deemed by CAS to be “time barred” by 5 years according to a UEFA technicality. And guess what? Man City absolutely and completely refused to cooperate with UEFA for 5 years. Their chairman is literally on record saying he would rather spend £50m on lawyers to sue UEFA than pay a £30m fine.

 

They used the exact same methods with the Premier League, who actually started their investigation into them in 2018. They bogged the PL down in so much litigation that the papers weren’t even allowed to report on the court case until late 2021. Even when they finally did bring the 115 charges another 2 years later, they only pertained to 2008-2018. There’s rumours that they’re still investigating the period from then to present day, which they absolutely should, because they are the biggest cheats in football and need to be held accountable. 
 

There is absolutely none, zero, zip, **** all, comparison with Manchester City abe our administration in 2002 or the 2014 EFL FFP accusations that we were fully acquitted of. None. 
 

Man City is a special case because they represent the authorities failure to hold them accountable but also their absolute fear of dealing with clubs with mega rich owners who couldn’t give a **** about the rules and have the means to thundergun their way through them. They missed their opportunity to stop Chelsea from doing it and we are going to see Newcastle do it from now on too. The PL/FA need to hand out the biggest punishment possible and take control of the league for once - expulsion from the league and a ban for 10 years with a 500 point fine would be nice.

On the point in bold they surely did well to get that when they were setting up fake companies in disused warehouses in Sheffield.

[MPH]

37 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I’ve never understood the point of the argument about a 10 point deduction in 2002/3. There were no such rules in place until after that season and even if there had been, we still would have been automatically promoted anyway.

 

And the other elephant in the room is what caused our administration in the first place - the trigger was Eric Hall suing us on behalf of D*nn*s W*s* for wrongful dismissal after he broke another player’s jaw in his ****ing sleep, but other mitigating circumstances were the brand new stadium, high wages with a PL squad after a relegation. Which could have been coped with were it not for ITV Digital’s collapse which affected every single club outside the Premier League. That was literally out of our hands and not something that could have been helped. 
 

And again with EFLFFP - we have it on record from the EFL that we absolutely did absolutely nothing wrong. Nothing. We were fully vindicated. 

 

Man City were “acquitted” by a CAS judging panel of whom they were allowed to appoint 66%. And they weren’t deemed to have done nothing wrong, in fact the evidence that they broke the rules is extremely damning. But they were let off because the rule breaking was deemed by CAS to be “time barred” by 5 years according to a UEFA technicality. And guess what? Man City absolutely and completely refused to cooperate with UEFA for 5 years. Their chairman is literally on record saying he would rather spend £50m on lawyers to sue UEFA than pay a £30m fine.

 

They used the exact same methods with the Premier League, who actually started their investigation into them in 2018. They bogged the PL down in so much litigation that the papers weren’t even allowed to report on the court case until late 2021. Even when they finally did bring the 115 charges another 2 years later, they only pertained to 2008-2018. There’s rumours that they’re still investigating the period from then to present day, which they absolutely should, because they are the biggest cheats in football and need to be held accountable. 
 

There is absolutely none, zero, zip, **** all, comparison with Manchester City abe our administration in 2002 or the 2014 EFL FFP accusations that we were fully acquitted of. None. 
 

Man City is a special case because they represent the authorities failure to hold them accountable but also their absolute fear of dealing with clubs with mega rich owners who couldn’t give a **** about the rules and have the means to thundergun their way through them. They missed their opportunity to stop Chelsea from doing it and we are going to see Newcastle do it from now on too. The PL/FA need to hand out the biggest punishment possible and take control of the league for once - expulsion from the league and a ban for 10 years with a 500 point fine would be nice.

 

you can dress it up how you like but if someone is acquitted of a crime they are still deemed ‘ not guilty’ so therefor ‘ they did nothing wrong’

 

 

even though we all know they did. What they did was morally wrong on all levels

You’ve really said nothing to  counter what I was saying.  
 

Also We know the rules  about the  10 point  deduction didn’t come in to place until after  our administration, but disagreeing with that part was never my argument and we can try and justify why did it but we really did take the east way out. We all know we did.