Is the stadium expansion now only a dream

[SemperEadem]

28 minutes ago, Mee-9 said:

No point at all. 

 

Same with the Hotel. Could never understand this one. Who's going to stay in a Hotel at the King Power? Paying a huge sum of money to stay miles out of the city centre when you have to walk past dozens of Premier Inns, Travelodges and better placed accomodation. 

 

 

Spoke about that with a friend the other day. It only half makes sense if they do pop an arena next door but gig goes etc likely want the budget options. One of course being already on the same spot, and tigers beat them to it with one thats slightly more luxury.

 

The office space element too, im not sure I would be wanting to be building thousands of square metres of office space currently.

Edited 25 May 2023 by SemperEadem

[Guest Mee-9]

5 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Spoke about that with a friend the other day. It only half makes sense if the pop an arena next door but gig goes etc likely want the budget options. One of course being already on the same spot, and tigers beat them to it with one thats slightly more luxury.

I agree - the one at the Tigers does look smart. Looks rather out of place next to the LRI though. 

[sacreblueits442]

22 minutes ago, Mee-9 said:

No point at all. 

 

Same with the Hotel. Could never understand this one. Who's going to stay in a Hotel at the King Power? Paying a huge sum of money to stay miles out of the city centre when you have to walk past dozens of Premier Inns, Travelodges and better placed accomodation. 

 

 

...there are quite a few hotels which are nowhere near the city centre!!!

They are nearer easy access to the motorway and I would think more desirable. If you have that level of money you would have a taxi into the town centre and will not be subjected to the noise outside your window of a nighttime city centre. Tigers have built near their ground, it is a lucrative business a forward-thinking.

  As previously mentioned, this could cater for international and teams looking for overnight stays and with the training ground the facilities which go along side.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

On 24/05/2023 at 09:37, Aus Fox said:

It’s part of the bigger picture, if our football club is going to move forwards it needs to happen regardless of any steps back this weekend.

It’s not just about our games, it’s regularly hosting internationals, games like the Community Shield and potentially any tournaments that England host.

The owners have the money and infrastructure costs are not part of FFP - the club will have provisions in place for setbacks, and the money has already been secured- so it’s still a goer regardless of what happens at the weekend

One million per cent agree

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

It started to go wrong when they moved into the training ground. That’s when it went from a tight knit family club to a corporation where no one knows each other

...it started going wrong before that, but the relocation certainly caused a change in the work environment!!!

I was at a company that relocated from the city centre to a place that had no amenities for lunch except a canteen where you were staring at the same faces. Nothing to do and nowhere to go, it was the same job, the same people but the whole experience became wearing.

  So long as someone is looking at the impact in relation to the players, can discern certain aspects are not conducive to a tight-knit squad, and seek to put it right, then we will continue to underuse the facility.

[yorkie1999]

47 minutes ago, Golden Fox said:

The ground will be built by a building contractor and not King Power: the materials will be purchased by the contractor (or the subcontractor doing that element of the build) and the contractor will then bill KP in stages as the building progresses based on certification of what is complete.

 

I don't think a contractor has even been appointed yet, and no contractor would start placing orders until contracts have been signed.

 

Regarding turnaround times: as part of the design and pricing, there will have been engagement with the supply chain to obtain prices, so there will be plans in place by the supply chain to meet an order of this size - but I'd happily take your bet about there being a dome stucture already built!

I'd have thought a contractor would have been appointed when the plans had all been finalised, because we won't be seeing a new stand for a few years yet if they hadn't.

[AndyElZorro]

I thougt Laing had been appointed?

[Golden Fox]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

I'd have thought a contractor would have been appointed when the plans had all been finalised, because we won't be seeing a new stand for a few years yet if they hadn't.

The actual designs for a project like this will continually evolve - and won't necessarily be finalised at planning application stage.

 

I haven't seen anything formal about the appointment of a contractor, but often a project such as this will have a a pre-construction services agreement (a PCSA) where a contractor is paid to help with the designs and getting the project to site - but not the actual build (that will often be the same contractor, but will be under a different contract). It could be that Lang O'Rouke are involved at this stage, but haven't been appointed for the build stage - but I'm just speculating.

 

As far as the actual build appointment, you will be looking at a narrow pool of contractors able to do a specialist project of this nature, and those that have bid for the expansion will have needed to go through a rigorous bid preparation to understand the build and get prices for materials and from subcontractors, so it won't be a case of starting from scratch for whoever does win.

 

As I say, this is the normal course for a project of this size - a lot of preparation will happen behind the scenes, but it just won't involve buying the materials until later in the process.

[Guest foxestalkisfullofidiots]

When people say we should be investing the money in players rather than the infrastructure just remember that 

 

Musa 

Silva

Slimani

Iborra

Vestaguard

Daka

Soumare

 

Cost a combined £149m......I'd rather have nice new shiny stand

 

[Spudulike]

As far as I recall, only outline planning approval was given for the seven buildings (the stand had full approval). As we know, one doesn't go ahead without t'other. Perhaps it's still stuck in planning? 

 

[iancognito]

Not sure we needed a new thread for this, just discuss it in the existing thread.

 

It's being paid for by TV money so it may get iced BUT the argument is there that this is the best time to build it. So the capacity is there when we eventually get promoted. Those saying we can't fill it need only to look at West Ham going from 25k to 60k or Spurs from 38k to 62k. A lot don't even bother looking for tickets to home games because they assume they're all sold.

[Rocket-Ron]

1 hour ago, iancognito said:

Not sure we needed a new thread for this, just discuss it in the existing thread.

 

It's being paid for by TV money so it may get iced BUT the argument is there that this is the best time to build it. So the capacity is there when we eventually get promoted. Those saying we can't fill it need only to look at West Ham going from 25k to 60k or Spurs from 38k to 62k. A lot don't even bother looking for tickets to home games because they assume they're all sold.

Don't underestimate the size of West Hams fan base

[iancognito]

2 minutes ago, Rocket-Ron said:

Don't underestimate the size of West Hams fan base

Or ours.

 

And that's my point. For 8 years we've capped off season tickets and memberships. There are countless kids who can't get in to see their local team because we'te never able to do general sale to any effectiveness. We couldnt properly build after 2016 because there was no way of getting more bums on seats.

[Rocket-Ron]

I agree, we had the same since of doubt moving from Filbert St to the new stadium but soon pretty much filled it.

I just think to compare it to West Ham though is way off the mark., we're not even close.

[Foxin_Mad]

If we find a manager who plays exciting fast flowing attacking football the ground will be filled.

 

If we persist with boring, negative sideways nonsense maybe not. 

[StanSP]

9 hours ago, Mee-9 said:

No point at all. 

 

Same with the Hotel. Could never understand this one. Who's going to stay in a Hotel at the King Power? Paying a huge sum of money to stay miles out of the city centre when you have to walk past dozens of Premier Inns, Travelodges and better placed accomodation. 

 

 

There'll be plenty of takers for the hotel. Especially any friends or associates they invite over. There'll be lots of Thai tourists I would imagine also staying. 

 

 

[Paninistickers]

34 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Or ours.

 

And that's my point. For 8 years we've capped off season tickets and memberships. There are countless kids who can't get in to see their local team because we'te never able to do general sale to any effectiveness. We couldnt properly build after 2016 because there was no way of getting more bums on seats.

Would be interesting to know if a proper statistical, evidence based study has been conducted onto what our crowds could/would be

 

The opposite to an evidence based study,.my hunch is for standard PL games (say wolves, west ham, Everton) we'd maybe pull 39k home fans. Games v the big 6 we could perhaps add another 10k of home fans

[sacreblueits442]

16 hours ago, foxestalkisfullofidiots said:

When people say we should be investing the money in players rather than the infrastructure just remember that 

 

Musa 

Silva

Slimani

Iborra

Vestaguard

Daka

Soumare

 

Cost a combined £149m......I'd rather have nice new shiny stand

 

...we need to take a closer look!!!

Musa - sold for  £14..35

Silva - free transfer

Slimani - free transfer

Iborra - sold £8.7m

Vestaguard - still at club

Daka - still at club

Soumare - still at club.

  We are not likely to get back the monies paid fir the players still at the club. The cust of these acquisition nets down to £100m which we have lost.

[Rusko187]

On 25/05/2023 at 12:06, Mee-9 said:

No point at all. 

 

Same with the Hotel. Could never understand this one. Who's going to stay in a Hotel at the King Power? Paying a huge sum of money to stay miles out of the city centre when you have to walk past dozens of Premier Inns, Travelodges and better placed accomodation. 

 

 

Indoor arena next door and 2 sporting stadiums just a stones throw away might be a reason. Plus if the area is developed for offices and other stuff then there's further reasons.

 

Can't just take the view of "what's the point", otherwise what's the point in doing anything? Why bother playing in the Premier League if you can't win it. 

[BenTheFox]

23 hours ago, foxestalkisfullofidiots said:

When people say we should be investing the money in players rather than the infrastructure just remember that 

 

Musa 

Silva

Slimani

Iborra

Vestaguard

Daka

Soumare

 

Cost a combined £149m......I'd rather have nice new shiny stand

 

Not sure that Iborra should be roped in with that lot. He was a decent player and we made most of our transfer fee back for him. 

[foxes4life]

Got a fancy training ground at least. 

[BlueSi13]

1 hour ago, foxes4life said:

Got a fancy training ground at least. 

While still keeping/paying for the old one (keeping options open?).  Neither of them earning the club a dime.  

 

Not prioritising the stadium was a horrible mistake.