ClaphamFox Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 6 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: Its out of Leicesters hands. Dont help with euros next year if he wants to stand a chance of being part of that squad he needs to playing premier league football to be noticed by Southgate. It's not out of our hands as he's under contract for another two years. He'll only be permitted to leave if we receive an offer we deem acceptable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: It's not out of our hands as he's under contract for another two years. He'll only be permitted to leave if we receive an offer we deem acceptable. Not if he kicks up a fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 2 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: Not if he kicks up a fuss. That makes it more complex, sure, but it doesn't guarantee a sale. And I don't think Barnes would do a Fofana anyway - I think the club means too much to him to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 4 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: That makes it more complex, sure, but it doesn't guarantee a sale. And I don't think Barnes would do a Fofana anyway - I think the club means too much to him to do that. No he wouldn't, but it would take the edge of his game and that is too much of a risk. Maresca needs 100% from all his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: That makes it more complex, sure, but it doesn't guarantee a sale. And I don't think Barnes would do a Fofana anyway - I think the club means too much to him to do that. You would need a lot of convincing to make to stay especially if West Ham offer to better his wages, mention European football next season and small chance of getting enough game time to help pursuit a return to the England squad. The only card up our sleeve is, is that we can remind him Rice is set to leave. Which is the heartbeat of that team, they already struggled enough last season, could be in a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: Not that simple though is it...... Nope ...how hard will we try? Edited 21 June 2023 by foxinsocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 3 hours ago, Leicesterpool said: Its out of Leicesters hands. Dont help with euros next year if he wants to stand a chance of being part of that squad he needs to playing premier league football to be noticed by Southgate. He wont figure on the euros. If the new manager wants him to stay we have to say so and offer new deal. I expect hes not on a packet. Of he don't sign then sell him next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 11 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: Nope ...how hard will we try? Not sure these are right questions. If he wants to go, or we need the money, then he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old koppite Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 16 hours ago, dmayne7 said: But they can, that was my point. I don't think anyone can dismiss out of hand somebody's argument that Barnes is better than Grealish or vice versa. By the same token to the above, Barnes is quicker, much better finisher, better weaker foot and an absolute god at the give an go in the box. Point is, he has superior stats (goals more impressive than assists) from fewer games, in a an awful team. If you just went off that, he's not even a bit better than Grealish, but a significantly better. Which is why nuance and looking beyond stats comes into it. But it's also down to roles in teams. Grealish is infinitely a better player in Man City's system than Barnes could ever be, no doubt. But equally, Barnes would most likely be miles better than Grealish could be in a Liverpool team for example because he can do things that Grealish can't. Whilst playing in the same position, their roles are quite different and that's why I don't think you can categorical say one is better than the other (even if I think most of us would accept that Grealish is currently the better player). Barnes was crap for most of the season and still ended up with those numbers when we got relegated. Imagine what would happen if he found a manager who could polish those rough edges! We agree on most points, but Grealish ( up to now) has proven to be the much better player. Sorry, that can’t be disputed. Admittedly, I don’t watch a lot of him , or other teams nowadays, only us, but my memory is that he is a good finisher. He would be very good in any system, in any team - didn’t he have a huge contribution in keeping a poor Villa team up? Anyway, I’ve just watched the video of Enzo at Seagrave, and on appearance alone I’m impressed- let’s hope he can persuade Harvey and our best players to stay, change the spirit and dynamics and get us straight back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 On 21/06/2023 at 08:53, An Sionnach said: No he wouldn't, but it would take the edge of his game and that is too much of a risk. Maresca needs 100% from all his players. For that he needs 100% new players. Ours have been missing for 18 months now and I genuinely expect them to start the season sulking, licking their wounds, feeling sorry for themselves and thinking that they are better than The Championship despite being responsible for us being there. I really can't see this mob being galvanised or motivated and there is not a single one that I am bothered about retaining. I expect those that stay to get a rude awakening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 17 minutes ago, murphy said: For that he needs 100% new players. Ours have been missing for 18 months now and I genuinely expect them to start the season sulking, licking their wounds, feeling sorry for themselves and thinking that they are better than The Championship despite being responsible for us being there. I really can't see this mob being galvanised or motivated and there is not a single one that I am bothered about retaining. I expect those that stay to get a rude awakening. They'd be motivated to get a 30% to 50% payrise should we go back up. Everyone blamed Rodgers for the way we played, now he's gone and seems the players are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 2 minutes ago, hackneyfox said: They'd be motivated to get a 30% to 50% payrise should we go back up. Everyone blamed Rodgers for the way we played, now he's gone and seems the players are to blame. Rodgers sucked the life out of most of the players maresca has the job of bringing them back at a lower level - difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 1 hour ago, hackneyfox said: They'd be motivated to get a 30% to 50% payrise should we go back up. Everyone blamed Rodgers for the way we played, now he's gone and seems the players are to blame. Why weren't they motivated to avoid a 30-50% pay cut then? Yes, I blame Rodgers and I also blame those gutless players. The two aren't mutually exclusive. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 6 hours ago, murphy said: For that he needs 100% new players. Ours have been missing for 18 months now and I genuinely expect them to start the season sulking, licking their wounds, feeling sorry for themselves and thinking that they are better than The Championship despite being responsible for us being there. I really can't see this mob being galvanised or motivated and there is not a single one that I am bothered about retaining. I expect those that stay to get a rude awakening. From listening to Enzo, I can’t see that being the case, it seems if he gets any hint of someone not giving 100% then you won’t be playing regardless of who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Special brigade out in force.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 8 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said: From listening to Enzo, I can’t see that being the case, it seems if he gets any hint of someone not giving 100% then you won’t be playing regardless of who you are. Players like barnes will not attract big clubs given their inconsistent form. Barnes needs a really full on season to redeem himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc-1992 Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Would love Barnes to stay. Hopefully we can sell others instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whoareyaaa Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 That would be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post foxfanazer Posted 24 June 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 24 June 2023 5 minutes ago, splinterdream said: Good news and great source 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: Good news and great source Yea that’s that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: Good news and great source If Barnes does wish to stay by any chance, then we are going to have a 4-3-3 system to accommodate him as opposed to a 3-4-1-2 where he could be deployed as one of the front 2!!! Playing the 4-3-3 means we do away with the #10 role and use 2 #8s with a DM. Barnes is a wide Forward (left) Irankunda on the right with Nacho in the #9 role. Iversen Ricardo Souttar Julio Giles Fernandez Kaba KDH Irankunda Nacho Barnes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 16 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said: Yea that’s that then. Yep - close thread Parker will be v happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Tbf, he’s not the only person to have said the Barnes wants to stay, being a local lad, and perhaps his wages aren’t as affected as some, there maybe something in it, and if there is it’s very likely to leak. Remember when we got relegated and Piper wanted to stay. anyway if he stays, I’d play him in 4-1-2-3 Iversen Justin Souttar Faes. VK Hamza Praet. KDH Ricardo. Daka. Barnes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamble92 Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Massively rate him if he wants to stay but i doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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