Jattdogg Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Feel like VAR should maybe only be used for fouls and to reasses yellows/reds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPepFox Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 13 mins of stoppage??? For what??? I could see 8 or 9 maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Jammy Forest that not going in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 I think Brentford could be the third team to go down. They don’t look very good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Col city fan Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Can anyone tell me how the Florist goalie kicking Wisser up the arse, wasn’t a penalty?! 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 I want all decisions to be correct but the morons using VAR isn’t the answer and I’ll rather just go back to on-field decisions only. It is great we don’t have to put up with it this season, Breath of fresh air 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 1 hour ago, StanSP said: How was there no penalty on Wissa? Steve Cooper didn’t seem to mention that going by his quotes on the BBC site . Wonder why .. But red card was harsh “apparently “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Looked a stonewall pen for Brentford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 𝐑𝐄𝐕𝐄𝐀𝐋𝐄𝐃: what happened on Luis Díaz goal disallowed and the 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧! VAR took the wrong onfield decision — as it led to the goal being disallowed, Dale Johnson reveals how ◉ The VAR, Darren England, checked offside thinking the onfield decision was “goal conceded” for Díaz. ◉ It was a quick offside check because it was clear Díaz was onside, so told referee “check complete”. ◉ In telling the ref “check complete” he is saying the onfield decision (Díaz goal disallowed) was correct. ◉ The “human error” by the VAR team is getting the onfield decision wrong — by failing to draw lines. ◉ As soon as Spurs take the free-kick, which they were set up for, decision can 𝐍𝐎𝐓 be rolled back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kopfkino Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Let’s make no bones about it, yesterday’s VAR incident was an absolute shambles and backs up what I’ve been saying for a while since they started playing the audio - the communication protocols have to be much stricter. Take a leaf out of aviation’s book where comms between aircraft and ATC have clear, pretty strict language and have to be confirmed back pretty much verbatim. Just saying ‘check complete’ was always going to lead to this eventually. ‘Check complete, onside, goal’ and the ref repeats ‘Check complete, onside, goal’. It’s fast, it’s fraught, one half of the conversation is out of breath but the audio releases showed how poor the procedure around communication is. However, VAR and refs are being scapegoated by a media absolutely desperate for noise, clicks and traffic + managers, players and clubs use it to deflect from themselves, not helped by having to give opinions with adrenaline and emotion high rather than with time that lets them. Refs and VAR will never get any better because football won’t allow them to. Ultimately all that matters in football is that you get the rub of the green and that’s all anyone is interested in. This shown again today by Steve Cooper and Forest. How he can complain about the sending off is beyond me. They spend every week whinging, I’m sure if his player two footed someone in the chest in the box he’d say it was harsh and they’d be complaining to the PGMOL - victim mentality as strong as the scousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman_Mike Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 I don't know about everyone else but I found Liverpool's statement regarding the disallowed goal a bit over the top. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 47 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said: I don't know about everyone else but I found Liverpool's statement regarding the disallowed goal a bit over the top. Think they’re going to ask for a replay. I can imagine there’s a good chance they’ll get it too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Sets such a dangerous precedent if the game ends up getting replayed. What if there's a howler that goes against Spurs? Do they ask for one? Do they keep replaying until the game is totally clear? How many other teams would ask for one in future, such as Wolves wanting one against Man Utd... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
when_you're_smiling Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 It won’t be replayed. No chance. It would cause chaos. It was in the first half for one. Plenty more decisive mistakes made by officials late on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 They won't get far as no one can prove what the final result would have been but obviously this was more than people just making an honest error subjectively. They weren't even doing the basics of the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the Fox Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 1 hour ago, Lionator said: Think they’re going to ask for a replay. I can imagine there’s a good chance they’ll get it too. They should turn the var cameras off at anfield in protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 A predictable statement from Liverpool. Designed purely to obtain favourable decisions in the future and infering corruption against them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad the Fox Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 3 hours ago, Kopfkino said: Let’s make no bones about it, yesterday’s VAR incident was an absolute shambles and backs up what I’ve been saying for a while since they started playing the audio - the communication protocols have to be much stricter. Take a leaf out of aviation’s book where comms between aircraft and ATC have clear, pretty strict language and have to be confirmed back pretty much verbatim. Just saying ‘check complete’ was always going to lead to this eventually. ‘Check complete, onside, goal’ and the ref repeats ‘Check complete, onside, goal’. It’s fast, it’s fraught, one half of the conversation is out of breath but the audio releases showed how poor the procedure around communication is. However, VAR and refs are being scapegoated by a media absolutely desperate for noise, clicks and traffic + managers, players and clubs use it to deflect from themselves, not helped by having to give opinions with adrenaline and emotion high rather than with time that lets them. Refs and VAR will never get any better because football won’t allow them to. Ultimately all that matters in football is that you get the rub of the green and that’s all anyone is interested in. This shown again today by Steve Cooper and Forest. How he can complain about the sending off is beyond me. They spend every week whinging, I’m sure if his player two footed someone in the chest in the box he’d say it was harsh and they’d be complaining to the PGMOL - victim mentality as strong as the scousers. Var won’t get any better because so many decisions are subjective. Goals and offsides are (should be) black and white decisions and technology can be and will be improved and used to make them even more accurate. However fouls, penalties ect are purely opinion, one on the pitch and one in the var caravan, one in the heat of the action, one in a sterile environment. I thought var would stop diving but all it did was make players realise any contact and they can go down as var would deem it enough for a penalty. I have no issue for it in certain situations however wish it would stay out of a lot more, refs (despite what we say) get most decisions right, var is an intrusion on the game that spoils it, certainly for the match going fans, and the small percentage of decisions it corrects (in comparison to refs pre var which was about 92%) is hardly worth the cost and disruption. And let’s not forget the absolute howlers it is getting wrong now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Will rile up one of the nastiest online fanbases, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 28 minutes ago, Vlad the Fox said: They should turn the var cameras off at anfield in protest. @TheBearmight say they have already done that. I presume their main complaint is about the offside goal which clearly was a gross error of basically not even checking the offside rather than the other decisions which were just subjective and everyone will have a different view on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Zear0 said: A predictable statement from Liverpool. Designed purely to obtain favourable decisions in the future and infering corruption against them. Would they have still made it even if they had hung on for a point? Edited 1 October 2023 by Super_horns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Super_horns said: Would they have still made it even if they had hung on for a point? How can anyone predict what the entitled (see super league), crass (see today's statement) plums running and supporting that club will do next? That statement has riled me more than I care to admit this fine evening even though it's true to form for them. Absolute cheek of a super league club coming out claiming footballing institutions have an agenda against them. I generally rail against the accusations of Liverpool having a victim mentality but it's hard not to when you read that garbage. Edited 1 October 2023 by Zear0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaspa Posted 1 October 2023 Share Posted 1 October 2023 Only seen 2 angles of the penalty Gordon won for Newcastle this weekend, but like the other week it looks like he's completely sold it to the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 All this inquest for Liverpool over that var call. Makes you think would they even mention it if was say Burnley goal dissallowed against Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 Listening to 5 live and today they’re still banging on about VAR in the Spurs game and Liverpool demanding wholesale changes to the system and personnel and saying sporting integrity has been undermined . These bed wetters have short memories - when they won the title a couple of years back they were known as Livarpool as every decision appeared to go their way . No wonder everyone hates them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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