RowlattsFox Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 If anyone is going to force a replayed game because of a bad decision, its Liverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 I hate VAR and would scrap it tomorrow. But the gulf in its use in the Prem Vs international tournaments is absolutely staggering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 See the spotlight has now moved to the VAR officials having officiated in the UAE a few days prior to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 1 hour ago, RowlattsFox said: If anyone is going to force a replayed game because of a bad decision, its Liverpool Memory could be failing me here; but I don't remember any more than an apology when Sheff Utd were relegated due to goal line tech being turned off with their game against Villa 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 3 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Memory could be failing me here; but I don't remember any more than an apology when Sheff Utd were relegated due to goal line tech being turned off with their game against Villa With all due respect, what do Sheffield United offer the premier league? Liverpool are the premier league and deserve a replay as the greatest team in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 (edited) On 30/09/2023 at 21:19, grobyfox1990 said: ??? Wolves got denied a blatant pen at old Trafford and it got days of airtime and rightly so And Bournemouth got relegated in 2020 due to goal line tech failing (not VAR, fair enough). A £200m error but nothing got done and very little fuss was made about it. Edited 2 October 2023 by Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, UniFox21 said: Memory could be failing me here; but I don't remember any more than an apology when Sheff Utd were relegated due to goal line tech being turned off with their game against Villa Hadn’t actually seen this post till after posting what I have above Sheff Utd finished 11th. Sheff Utd had a goal disallowed against Villa despite clearly being over the line, the game finished 0-0. Villa stayed up on 35 points, Bournemouth go relegated on 34 - that point was crucial for Villa. Edited 2 October 2023 by Matt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 1 hour ago, Number 6 said: I hate VAR and would scrap it tomorrow. But the gulf in its use in the Prem Vs international tournaments is absolutely staggering. They don't have anything like this drama with VAR in other leagues. Funny that the league with the most money invested in it by unscrupulous billionaires has the most problems with having it's officiating come under close scrutiny from VAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 3 minutes ago, Finnegan said: They don't have anything like this drama with VAR in other leagues. Funny that the league with the most money invested in it by unscrupulous billionaires has the most problems with having it's officiating come under close scrutiny from VAR. Yep. The flaw is human, and both other leagues and other sports show it can be mitigated. So mitigate it, don't throw the tech out simply because the folks currently running it lack competence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowlattsFox Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 I've seen VAR farce in other countries. They just don't seem to go on about it as much and just accept decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 Bournemouth were not relegated due to one VAR error, they were relegated because they were shit for 38 games. It's swings and roundabouts. Liverpool will get a decision go for them soon. I don't buy all this "it could cost them". The season is played over 38 games. You don't fail to meet targets because of one mistake. There will be games where players make mistakes and cost games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 20 minutes ago, Matt said: And Bournemouth got relegated in 2020 due to goal line tech failing (not VAR, fair enough). A £200m error but nothing got done and very little fuss was made about it. Bournemouth got relegated because they were terrible. Fair enough there was no outcry about it, that was your point. I do think these dramas are played out more since var came in. In a pre var world Diaz is flagged off and that’s that. The issues are so clearly with the humans running the game, not the tech itself, improve them, no need to ditch the tech. The people saying ‘ditch var’ are prob the ones howling to hoof it up to Steve Howard everytime we have the ball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 6 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Bournemouth were not relegated due to one VAR error, they were relegated because they were shit for 38 games. It's swings and roundabouts. Liverpool will get a decision go for them soon. I don't buy all this "it could cost them". The season is played over 38 games. You don't fail to meet targets because of one mistake. There will be games where players make mistakes and cost games. Agreed. Liverpool looked fantastic with 9 men away to spurs, they’ll be up there at the end of the season and will no doubt get some big decisions go their way too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 30 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said: Bournemouth got relegated because they were terrible. Fair enough there was no outcry about it, that was your point. I do think these dramas are played out more since var came in. In a pre var world Diaz is flagged off and that’s that. The issues are so clearly with the humans running the game, not the tech itself, improve them, no need to ditch the tech. The people saying ‘ditch var’ are prob the ones howling to hoof it up to Steve Howard everytime we have the ball I think that's a certainty rather than a probability tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 1 hour ago, UniFox21 said: See the spotlight has now moved to the VAR officials having officiated in the UAE a few days prior to the game. Which has happened before but no one noticed as they then didn’t make a massive cock up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 58 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: I've seen VAR farce in other countries. They just don't seem to go on about it as much and just accept decisions. They don’t have the insufferable red twats in their league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 Not to massively simplify the situation but... If VAR didn't exist..... it's still not a goal. Feel like not enough people responding to Liverpool anger have raised this point Makes me think of the point @RowlattsFox makes above, happens in other countries but they just get on with it because.... y'know... human error with or without VAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 They really are a vile club with a victim mentality from top to bottom. When we played them, everytime Hamza went for a tackle you could see Klopp jumping up and down, grinding his false teeth and wanting a card. Always the victims, even though they're probably going to get more decisions go there way then not. I'm surprised there vile fan base haven't started to send death threats to the ref and VAR officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 2 hours ago, UniFox21 said: See the spotlight has now moved to the VAR officials having officiated in the UAE a few days prior to the game. I don't understand why this is such a big thing that Liverpool are pointing to. Who cares?! It really grates on me how much Liverpool think they're constantly hard done by by the PGMOL. As if it's only them that decisions go against, or they lose out. As if they've never had anything go in their favour... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniFox21 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 15 minutes ago, StanSP said: I don't understand why this is such a big thing that Liverpool are pointing to. Who cares?! It really grates on me how much Liverpool think they're constantly hard done by by the PGMOL. As if it's only them that decisions go against, or they lose out. As if they've never had anything go in their favour... Exactly the same view here, footballers are congratulated for taking advantage of the opportunities to make money. Yet a person in the same industry does and they're hyper analysed. Always has been the case, they try to build an us Vs them narrative at all times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 1 hour ago, StanSP said: I don't understand why this is such a big thing that Liverpool are pointing to. Who cares?! It really grates on me how much Liverpool think they're constantly hard done by by the PGMOL. As if it's only them that decisions go against, or they lose out. As if they've never had anything go in their favour... I’ve been thinking the same. If it had related to Luton or Sheff Utd it would have got a fraction of the attention that this has. It’s hardly as if this is the first big mistake by VAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 3 hours ago, Finnegan said: They don't have anything like this drama with VAR in other leagues. Funny that the league with the most money invested in it by unscrupulous billionaires has the most problems with having it's officiating come under close scrutiny from VAR. Is that true? Or does the PL not just have more of ours and the media's attention? Can't say I follow the other leagues enough to know results, let alone the latest bad decision/VAR controversy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grobyfox1990 Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 1 hour ago, UniFox21 said: Exactly the same view here, footballers are congratulated for taking advantage of the opportunities to make money. Yet a person in the same industry does and they're hyper analysed. Always has been the case, they try to build an us Vs them narrative at all times Agreed, not sure why it makes a difference that Michael Oliver et al were creaming the oil money midweek. Although not sure where your second point has come from!!! All those moving to Saudi to cash in are getting insane levels of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 2 hours ago, AjcW said: Not to massively simplify the situation but... If VAR didn't exist..... it's still not a goal. Feel like not enough people responding to Liverpool anger have raised this point Makes me think of the point @RowlattsFox makes above, happens in other countries but they just get on with it because.... y'know... human error with or without VAR. That isn't necessarily true. When VAR is present, the linesman has to make a judgement as to whether one man's shoulder (or the part that is legal to touch the ball) is ahead of another man's toe end. If he thinks, n balance, that it's 60% chance that the toe was further forward, then he will (eventually) flag. If VAR is not present, then he will decide the players are level and will not flag. One of VAR's primary roles is to disallow goals that would have been given in the past, or in the Championship for that matter, because the players were level to normal view but not quite level when the white heat of technology is used. It's not easy to say why disallowing what were thought of as good goals is a worthy way to improve the game, but there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 2 October 2023 Share Posted 2 October 2023 12 hours ago, Jaspa said: Only seen 2 angles of the penalty Gordon won for Newcastle this weekend, but like the other week it looks like he's completely sold it to the ref. He knew it was coming and made sure that he went down, but there is no way that wouldn't be given, with or without VAR. It was a foul. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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