StanSP Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 They knew, but still should have stopped the game and gone back. Replay operator was the only one that said anything. Such a bad lapse in concentration and comms between the officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 They know they messed up big time here ! And was too late before it was noticed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 17 minutes ago, Fox in the North said: Incompetent meets the incoherent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 Scouse conspiracy theorists are going to go nuts at the mancunian accent in the booth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 28 minutes ago, Fox in the North said: Should have the Benny Hill theme played over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaspa Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 I don't understand why they "can't" just pull it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 One of these type of things was always gonna happen eventually, and I'm so glad it was Liverpool who it happened to 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 2 minutes ago, Jaspa said: I don't understand why they "can't" just pull it back. Had play restarted at that point or not because my understanding is once they cannot go back to the decision being checked. Is that right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Nacho Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 (edited) I don’t blame the humans, the process has failed the VAR operatives. The VAR had done everything right, however, poor/a lack of communication from the on field team meant the VAR thought a goal had already been given. We don’t need massive change because of this, all it needs is a change of what is said from both the on field official and the VAR, to “my original decision is goal/no goal” and “Check complete. Award/disallow goal”. Edited 3 October 2023 by Ian Nacho 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacamion Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 Darren England needs either a very long lay-off, or just sacked. There's no way Liverpool fans will have him anywhere near their games, without making a LOT of noise, and you can't have fans choosing the officials. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 57 minutes ago, Fox in the North said: Shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 Laughable it's the bloke operating the video equipment is the most competant one of the lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 1 minute ago, Zear0 said: Laughable it's the bloke operating the video equipment is the most competant one of the lot. The disgust in his voice when they get it wrong is hilarious. You can tell he can’t believe what’s going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 Shocking how usually they take AGES on these decisions… all this one took was a clear 10 second conversation and this could’ve been avoided. Ref: Question ‘is it onside or offside?’ VAR: Onside, award a goal. Ref: Onside, award a goal, please confirm. VAR: Correct, onside, award a goal. The process is the issue as much as anything here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordersfox Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 The self congratulations just before the turd drops is priceless. Great process guys... Ohhhhhhhhhh 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 36 minutes ago, Super_horns said: Had play restarted at that point or not because my understanding is once they cannot go back to the decision being checked. Is that right ? Correct but there is a reason for this. IFAB never considered that what happened on Saturday was possible. Once play is restarted the protocol is that you can’t re open any var check. This is to take into account a new angle on an incident being found a couple minutes after a decision has been made. You have to ‘draw the line’ (sorry) to close the check. anyway, the var should have broken protocol on Saturday because this was a unique situation. There will likely now be a new protocol introduced to take account of var comms error where the game can be stopped within fifteen seconds of being restarted. What stands out for me on this is the lino saying ‘delay, delay, delay’ whilst Diaz runs through. That clearly means he is calling offside. Otherwise he’d say nothing. So how did the var and avar both not hear this ???. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: anyway, the var should have broken protocol on Saturday because this was a unique situation. There will likely now be a new protocol introduced to take account of var comms error where the game can be stopped within fifteen seconds of being restarted. What stands out for me on this is the lino saying ‘delay, delay, delay’ whilst Diaz runs through. That clearly means he is calling offside. Otherwise he’d say nothing. So how did the var and avar both not hear this ???. Just sheer incompetence and complacency across the board (barring the replay operator). What I find odd is that the ref Simon Hooper is not privy to all of this, but he's now lumped in with the officials that got it wrong. But what could he do?! The PGMOL Hub Ops also say 'delay the game' after it's already restarted. But VAR just brush it off 'can't do anything'. Quite clearly I think they should have broken the protocol/rules to get to the right decision and correct their error. Might piss off Spurs but in this unique situation I'm sure they'd have got over it. The biggest learning from this must be the standard of comms as @Leeds Fox stated. Make it clear what the decision is before the check. Make it clear what you're checking. Make it clear what the final decision is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 4 minutes ago, StanSP said: Just sheer incompetence and complacency across the board (barring the replay operator). What I find odd is that the ref Simon Hooper is not privy to all of this, but he's now lumped in with the officials that got it wrong. But what could he do?! The PGMOL Hub Ops also say 'delay the game' after it's already restarted. But VAR just brush it off 'can't do anything'. Quite clearly I think they should have broken the protocol/rules to get to the right decision and correct their error. Might piss off Spurs but in this unique situation I'm sure they'd have got over it. The biggest learning from this must be the standard of comms as @Leeds Fox stated. Make it clear what the decision is before the check. Make it clear what you're checking. Make it clear what the final decision is. Surely they would be watching the game so could see that offside was given ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds Fox Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 15 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Surely they would be watching the game so could see that offside was given ? You’d think so, however if you check, and double check understanding, this incident could’ve been negated. They actually did the check quickly (mainly because it was clear), which is something most fans have been asking for. The extra few seconds wouldn’t have been a major issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 We wouldn't be getting all this VAR bollocks if it wasn't for Liverpool. Had it been Luton we wouldn't have heard a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 4 minutes ago, David Hankey said: We wouldn't be getting all this VAR bollocks if it wasn't for Liverpool. Had it been Luton we wouldn't have heard a thing. Who cares. At least Liverpool have pushed for it to show the incompetence. If Luton, or any smaller team, don’t do the same then that’s up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 26 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Surely they would be watching the game so could see that offside was given ? the var and avar are checking the lead up to what they believe is a goal. There are two more avar’s who are checking the lead up to the goal to make sure there is nothing to check. The var and his avar assistant are checking the offside. No one is watching the live feed to see that offside has been given and Diaz isn’t celebrating 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 Why is the AVAR saying "offside goal yeah". This makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jammie82uk Posted 3 October 2023 Share Posted 3 October 2023 1 hour ago, StanSP said: The PGMOL Hub Ops also say 'delay the game' after it's already restarted. But VAR just brush it off 'can't do anything'. Quite clearly I think they should have broken the protocol/rules to get to the right decision and correct their error On ref watch yesterday Stephen warnock was saying the same thing, tell the referee that there has been a communication error, explain the situation, get the ref to talk to both captains and managers to explain, drop ball and suggest that Liverpool are allowed to score dermot said that wasn’t possible because the rules don’t allow that to happen, once the ball is back in play, the previous play is locked 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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