EastAnglianFox Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 Madders out until January confirmed by Ange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzFOX Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 Poor madders it was inevitable wasn’t it? he was on such a good run with spuds. With us it was his hip issues. This time he’s messed his ankle up. That’s a long time out injured. Spuds are gonna lose their momentum now without these key players. can’t say we didn’t warn about madders fragility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 Fantasy football managers rushing to change their team we speak ! TBF to Warnock he probably meant VAR should be used for really obvious errors rather than everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filbertway Posted 10 November 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 10 November 2023 2 hours ago, Stinkenzo said: I'll never understand why the moment of joy scoring a goal is more important than the goal being legit. Best example I can think of in relation to us is Chilwell's late equaliser in the cup final. I doubt any of us felt sorry for him or their fans for having to "uncelebrate a goal" that was correctly ruled out. But when we're a neutral to the situation people seem to be more sympathetic? On the whole I'm certain I'm in the minority here It's not the goal being ruled out that's the problem. It's the fact that it's on the majority of people's minds and takes away from the elation of scoring because for every goal you're thinking "what are they gonna find to disallow this goal?". In the championship, we can just look at the ref and the lino and you know it's a goal. It's beautiful 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 1 hour ago, filbertway said: It's not the goal being ruled out that's the problem. It's the fact that it's on the majority of people's minds and takes away from the elation of scoring because for every goal you're thinking "what are they gonna find to disallow this goal?". In the championship, we can just look at the ref and the lino and you know it's a goal. It's beautiful So when you go home and find later on that we lost to a goal that shouldn't have been allowed, your overriding thought is "atleast the opposition players and their fans got to enjoy the moment" and not "that goal should never have stood"? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmayne7 Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 15 minutes ago, Stinkenzo said: So when you go home and find later on that we lost to a goal that shouldn't have been allowed, your overriding thought is "atleast the opposition players and their fans got to enjoy the moment" and not "that goal should never have stood"? If it worked perfectly then that's a fair point. I suppose the current situation is: Keep VAR even though it is very broken, fundamentally unfair because there is no consistency and accept it totally kills the joy of a goal, with the positive being it can correct some mistakes. Bin off VAR even though that means obvious mistakes won't be corrected but at least it's 'fair' in that every decision remains as is. I also think it's contributed to even worse officiating as the on field officials have fewer decisions to make but they're also being second guessed every time. I think Jill Scott put it best when she said that it was meant to reduce the amount of controversy and time we spent debating decisions yet it's made that side of the game even worse. If the governance around it was excellent then keeping VAR is a no brainer but in it's current state it's utterly broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 25 minutes ago, dmayne7 said: If it worked perfectly then that's a fair point. I suppose the current situation is: Keep VAR even though it is very broken, fundamentally unfair because there is no consistency and accept it totally kills the joy of a goal, with the positive being it can correct some mistakes. Bin off VAR even though that means obvious mistakes won't be corrected but at least it's 'fair' in that every decision remains as is. I also think it's contributed to even worse officiating as the on field officials have fewer decisions to make but they're also being second guessed every time. I think Jill Scott put it best when she said that it was meant to reduce the amount of controversy and time we spent debating decisions yet it's made that side of the game even worse. If the governance around it was excellent then keeping VAR is a no brainer but in it's current state it's utterly broken. Yeah I can't defend VAR right now as it should really be near to 100% perfect, especially for things such as offside. Things like the Havertz tackle last week is always going to be inconsistent as it's a unique event as doesn't have an answer in the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Stinkenzo said: Yeah I can't defend VAR right now as it should really be near to 100% perfect, especially for things such as offside. Things like the Havertz tackle last week is always going to be inconsistent as it's a unique event as doesn't have an answer in the rulebook. Too many subjective decisions really for it to be perfection. Just needs to be used for factual things. Or make all handballs penalties (they won't obviously) rather than have one given in x game but not in y game. Edited 10 November 2023 by Super_horns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 1 hour ago, Stinkenzo said: So when you go home and find later on that we lost to a goal that shouldn't have been allowed, your overriding thought is "atleast the opposition players and their fans got to enjoy the moment" and not "that goal should never have stood"? Probably not those exact words but yeah. I absolutely value the game being a more enjoyable spectacles over one off incidents going in my teams favour. The reason I fell in love with football was moments like that. Id much rather retain that and accept that sometimes there will be incorrect decisions. Waiting 3 or 4 minutes while some norris is obsessing over every possible way they can rule a goal out isnt my idea of fun. I do see your point of view though bud, I just am of a totally different mindset I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 Madders picked up injury this time last season just before World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 He's definitely one of those players whose talents are overshadowed by their injury record at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unabomber Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 48 minutes ago, filbertway said: Probably not those exact words but yeah. I absolutely value the game being a more enjoyable spectacles over one off incidents going in my teams favour. The reason I fell in love with football was moments like that. Id much rather retain that and accept that sometimes there will be incorrect decisions. Waiting 3 or 4 minutes while some norris is obsessing over every possible way they can rule a goal out isnt my idea of fun. I do see your point of view though bud, I just am of a totally different mindset I think. Also pre VAR I can’t remember getting home and being sad that an opposition scored a goal that should’ve been ruled out. Just didn’t cross my mind as human error happens. It’s way more annoying now with VAR and they still get things wrong so nothing has improved. Only the actual match day experience has worsened massively. They should’ve sacked VAR off after our FA cup win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 1 minute ago, Unabomber said: Also pre VAR I can’t remember getting home and being sad that an opposition scored a goal that should’ve been ruled out. Just didn’t cross my mind as human error happens. It’s way more annoying now with VAR and they still get things wrong so nothing has improved. Only the actual match day experience has worsened massively. They should’ve sacked VAR off after our FA cup win. Maybe not fans so much but Sky etc and managers would be right onto any really poor error after a game although I guess it doesn't matter either way what you have as human errors will happen. Semi automated offside might help with offside rather than everyone standing there for x period of time wondering if a line will be drawn right or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Md9 Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 So that’s madders and the new cb out until the new year richarlson for a month and no Romero for 3 games. Could be a tough couple of months for them. Wouldn’t mind wolves picking up a win tomorrow . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 10 November 2023 Share Posted 10 November 2023 1 hour ago, Md9 said: So that’s madders and the new cb out until the new year richarlson for a month and no Romero for 3 games. Could be a tough couple of months for them. Wouldn’t mind wolves picking up a win tomorrow . It’s about to get even worse with Ndombele getting his loan cancelled and being dumped back on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Md9 Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Evans had enough of Utd already then this few weeks will be until his contract ends 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Wolves fancy defending? Hope they get spanked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Md9 Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Wolves could have at least kept it tight for a bit jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 30 minutes ago, Md9 said: Evans had enough of Utd already then this few weeks will be until his contract ends 😂 Good luck to them finding a decent CB in January. There are no quality CBs in the market. Varane has major problems with ETH and rightfully so as he was picking Evans in front of him which I find extremely bizarre. ETH is like BR, very stubborn without a proper reason. Spurs 1-0 up, some players are brain dead especially defenders, 2 players marking a single one on the edge of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 6 minutes ago, Md9 said: Wolves could have at least kept it tight for a bit jeez I'll be very surprised if Spurs manage to get something out of this game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkie Bennett Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Johnson and Hwang having a coming together, fnarr fnarr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 22 hours ago, cruzFOX said: Poor madders it was inevitable wasn’t it? he was on such a good run with spuds. With us it was his hip issues. This time he’s messed his ankle up. That’s a long time out injured. Spuds are gonna lose their momentum now without these key players. can’t say we didn’t warn about madders fragility. O dear, I'm gutted for them 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkie Bennett Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Get up Son you playacting tw@. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trabuch Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 Wolves need to finish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 11 November 2023 Share Posted 11 November 2023 8 minutes ago, trabuch said: Wolves need to finish Our final third decision making and shooting is the big weakness for us. Really holds us back because we knock it around well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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