Sly Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 1 hour ago, Matt said: Where did it go wrong for us then... We kept Rodgers after we got beat by Forest in the FA Cup. He should have most likely been cut at that point. The BS top coaches peddle out becomes stale. Only so many times Vardy can hear about the Gucci belt, before it’s gone from funny to annoying. You either change the players, or change the coach. You need to keep it fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 2 minutes ago, Bilo said: I don't disagree. They play lovely stuff and have some real talent. The only lost cause for me is Sheffield United, and even they will be a tougher prospect under Chris Wilder. I also think if they get relegated, which realistically, at least two will, Luton, Burnley and Sheff Utd are in a perfect position to come straight back up and close the gap. Making what is arguably one of the weakest Premier Leagues in to the strongest. Whatever you think of them, we had 'star players' of Maddison, Tielemans and Barnes. Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United don't. There shouldn't be an exodus of players, they know they'll be floating around between two divisions, we didn't. They'll add a bit more quality and get stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 1 minute ago, tom27111 said: I also think if they get relegated, which realistically, at least two will, Luton, Burnley and Sheff Utd are in a perfect position to come straight back up and close the gap. Making what is arguably one of the weakest Premier Leagues in to the strongest. Whatever you think of them, we had 'star players' of Maddison, Tielemans and Barnes. Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United don't. There shouldn't be an exodus of players, they know they'll be floating around between two divisions, we didn't. They'll add a bit more quality and get stronger. You’d argue in Mads, Faes, Winks, Ndidi, Ricardo and maybe Mavididi they’d get in most team in the bottom half of the Premier League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 What it would also mean is two or three of that bottom five staying up, meaning another weak relegation battle. If the current bottom three go, you're left with Forest and Palace up - both of whom will struggle again. With us, had we survived and got a decent manager in to replace Rodgers earlier, there's every chance we could have had the same season as Everton are having (minus the points deduction.) You just can't see that with those two. Luton, Burnley or Sheffield United stay up and it's the same picture. It would bode well for us, especially with momentum and a decent transfer window under our belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 Just now, Sly said: You’d argue in Mads, Faes, Winks, Ndidi, Ricardo and maybe Mavididi they’d get in most team in the bottom half of the Premier League. Agree. But my point is Luton and Sheffield United in particular are maybe a bit ahead of where they should be and the players won't be leaving if they get relegated. If anything, they'll strengthen. Most of Burnleys team last season would've been looked at by Premier League teams. If those sides do go down, I think they'll stick together and come back stronger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 2 minutes ago, Sly said: You’d argue in Mads, Faes, Winks, Ndidi, Ricardo and maybe Mavididi they’d get in most team in the bottom half of the Premier League. On form, our first XI finishes 15th or 16th as things stand. With astute spending and more of a Plan B, we'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fox92 Posted 19 December 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 19 December 2023 2 hours ago, tom27111 said: I don't get why Forest fans love Cooper so much. Yeah, he got them promoted, I get that. But singing his name after getting spanked 5-0 and insisting he needs to stay? Doesn't make sense. Yeah, the owner is nuts, but he's sacked Cooper to protect his asset and try to make sure they stay up and progress. The new choice of manager is a different subject, but if the crazy Greek is spending this much money, he's not exactly trying to sabotage the club. Cooper had run his course. He'll get a decent job in the Championship. Still ugly as sin though. He was the first manager to get them promoted to the first flight after about 20 years. And he did it in a season where they looked like they were getting relegated to the third tier. It’s not hard to understand why they love him so much, especially the younger generation of fans. I said it before but it’s probably like how my generation love Pearson. We spent 90% of Pearson’s only PL season bottom and never once did I want him out. He turned us around and I believed he’d do it again if we had gone down. That’s what football is, love for someone you believe in who has made your club a success. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: He was the first manager to get them promoted to the first flight after about 20 years. And he did it in a season where they looked like they were getting relegated to the third tier. It’s not hard to understand why they love him so much, especially the younger generation of fans. I said it before but it’s probably like how my generation love Pearson. We spent 90% of Pearson’s only PL season bottom and never once did I want him out. He turned us around and I believed he’d do it again if we had gone down. That’s what football is, love for someone you believe in who has made your club a success. Yet when Ranieri was sacked less than 12 months after us winning the Premier League, the greatest achievement in English domestic football, and with a decent chance of qualifying for the Champions League quarter-finals, most fans were saddened but understood it was necessary as we were absolutely honking in the Premier League. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom27111 Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Fox92 said: He was the first manager to get them promoted to the first flight after about 20 years. And he did it in a season where they looked like they were getting relegated to the third tier. It’s not hard to understand why they love him so much, especially the younger generation of fans. I said it before but it’s probably like how my generation love Pearson. We spent 90% of Pearson’s only PL season bottom and never once did I want him out. He turned us around and I believed he’d do it again if we had gone down. That’s what football is, love for someone you believe in who has made your club a success. OK, fair point. A lot of people look back at Pearson and idolise him, but at the time, this forum was quite split. You do feel an affinity to someone, undoubtedly, but a football club is bigger than one person. Forest made that mistake nearly 30 years ago by letting Brian Clough chose his departure date. Had the board acted at that time, they might not have had the last shite 20 years or so. Edited 19 December 2023 by tom27111 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 25 minutes ago, tom27111 said: OK, fair point. A lot of people look back at Pearson and idolise him, but at the time, this forum was quite split. You do feel an affinity to someone, undoubtedly, but a football club is bigger than one person. Forest made that mistake nearly 30 years ago by letting Brian Clough chose his departure date. Had the board acted at that time, they might not have had the last shite 20 years or so. Great example. The guy was clearly a train wreck from 1990 onwards and could have had no complaints at being asked to step down. They've been nothing since he left, bar an extremely brief resurgence under Frank Clark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 6 hours ago, Finnegan said: Can see Nuno doing a good job at Forest too sadly. Id be shocked. The blokes dull as hell and even then struggles to pick up decent results. Unless he's being allowed to game the system. I rate they'll struggle to score and just end up losing a load of games 1 or 2-0. Wouldn't be shocked to see him not even see the season through 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 14 minutes ago, filbertway said: Id be shocked. The blokes dull as hell and even then struggles to pick up decent results. Unless he's being allowed to game the system. I rate they'll struggle to score and just end up losing a load of games 1 or 2-0. Wouldn't be shocked to see him not even see the season through He's at his best when he can just park the bus and counter, I think that's probably what they could do with. I know they've lost Johnson which is a big loss but if he can make them hard to break down and just smash it up to Awoniyi (if he's fit now?) then they'll probably grind out enough points to survive given how shit the league is this year. Honestly, just making them hard to beat will probably be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 5 minutes ago, Finnegan said: He's at his best when he can just park the bus and counter, I think that's probably what they could do with. I know they've lost Johnson which is a big loss but if he can make them hard to break down and just smash it up to Awoniyi (if he's fit now?) then they'll probably grind out enough points to survive given how shit the league is this year. Honestly, just making them hard to beat will probably be enough. Youre probably right given the complete inability of the bottom 3 to pick up points. Any other season he would probably be taking them down, but youre probably right on this one. Either way, id hate yo be a forest fan and subjected to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 Just read that back and I sound drunk. Too busy concentrating on this Newcastle game honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fox92 Posted 19 December 2023 Share Posted 19 December 2023 1 hour ago, tom27111 said: OK, fair point. A lot of people look back at Pearson and idolise him, but at the time, this forum was quite split. You do feel an affinity to someone, undoubtedly, but a football club is bigger than one person. Forest made that mistake nearly 30 years ago by letting Brian Clough chose his departure date. Had the board acted at that time, they might not have had the last shite 20 years or so. Yeah fair enough that is a good example and you’re probably right. 1 hour ago, Bilo said: Yet when Ranieri was sacked less than 12 months after us winning the Premier League, the greatest achievement in English domestic football, and with a decent chance of qualifying for the Champions League quarter-finals, most fans were saddened but understood it was necessary as we were absolutely honking in the Premier League. I do get your point tbf but I think that’s because of expectation? We were horrific and going one way. No way could we have gone down as champions so something had to happen. Compared to Forest who haven’t won anything, they’ve survived being in the league like a lot of bottom half clubs. Hard to compare when it’s not happened since. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Nuno back in the PL 🥱 possibly the most dull manager around currently? Low block, counter attack, rinse and repeat .. was nauseating at Wolves and will surely be somehow even more defensive at Forest... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langston Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, tom27111 said: Shouldn't affect the football side of things. They're shit and going down under Cooper, why are they so happy about that? I loathe Forest but there's a big difference between being happy to go down and simply showing appreciation (during a rocky patch) to the guy that got you up. Edited 20 December 2023 by Langston 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Imagine if British sports media was lime this. Can you imagine Jamie Carragher going in on Luke Shaw for being fat and out of shape American media is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danizen Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Sounds like Forest has the same thing witg Cooper that we had with Pearson. Nuno has got a battle on his hands to win the fans and the players over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_no7 Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Scary thing for Nuno is unless they suddenly sell more sizeable assets then there’s nothing to spend. Even with the sale of Brennan Johnson they are still falling foul of FFP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Forest fans need to move on. We had wonderful times after Pearson. Southampton went up levels after firing Adkins. Brighton sacked Hughton and look at them now. Cooper would have kept Forest where they are. If they are happy to be 13th-17th in the league then they have no ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 1 hour ago, Koke said: Forest fans need to move on. We had wonderful times after Pearson. Southampton went up levels after firing Adkins. Brighton sacked Hughton and look at them now. Cooper would have kept Forest where they are. If they are happy to be 13th-17th in the league then they have no ambition. I don't think is that simple. Forest have a very eccentric (to put it politely) owner and imo this is the main reason their fans are scared of this change. Nuno's appointment is bonkers, he's not a "yes man", there will be relationship problems with Marinakis. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 9 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said: I don't think is that simple. Forest have a very eccentric (to put it politely) owner and imo this is the main reason their fans are scared of this change. Nuno's appointment is bonkers, he's not a "yes man", there will be relationship problems with Marinakis. They lucked out with Cooper, really. Pure chance that he wasn't another Lamouchi or Pearce. It's difficult to see this going well, especially given how Forest fans have generally reacted. If he starts slowly, Forest are in a world of bother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 20 December 2023 Share Posted 20 December 2023 Reading the article on the Athletic. Forest are fcuked. Having a pair of owners who didn’t like the support Cooper gained from the fans suggest that no one could succeed there because he wants the limelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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